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52. Four arrested in Iraq 'honor killing'

Comment #42926 by CJ on May 20, 2007 at 5:47 am

Sickening, unjustifiable and utterly evil behaviour.

So why do they do it? Have a look at this http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15021 it illustrates a possible reason but to my mind does not excuse the action of these people.

53. Bible drawn into Hong Kong sex publication row

Comment #42221 by CJ on May 18, 2007 at 12:14 am

8. Comment #41869 by privateeye on May 17, 2007 at 8:23 am

Meanwhile here in Britain we have the new laws against religious hatred including publications which preach religious hatred and as far as I know no one has yet reported the bible to the authorities.


Why stick at the Bible the Quran is just as guilty.

54. Bible drawn into Hong Kong sex publication row

Comment #42220 by CJ on May 18, 2007 at 12:10 am

15. Comment #42096 by LizW on May 17, 2007 at 3:39 pm

"The city's media watchdog yesterday rejected more than 2,000 complaints against the Bible, saying it was part of human civilisation and its contents were not offensive to reasonable members of the community"


Presumably the Kama Sutra would fall foul of the law but would be due equal protection from this statement.

55. 5000 Darwin letters go online

Comment #41448 by CJ on May 16, 2007 at 6:16 am

Gosh Josh you were so quick off the mark! I'd pointed to the news article not the letter page which is one link away here.

I've correted my link on the previous article.

56. Brazil's Indians Offended by Pope Comments

Comment #41445 by CJ on May 16, 2007 at 6:09 am

the Roman Catholic Church had purified them and a revival of their religions would be a backward step.

My superstition is better than your superstition na na ne na na :p

No, not backwards, just the same old carousel of ignorance.

58. Television evangelist Falwell dies at 73

Comment #41422 by CJ on May 16, 2007 at 5:26 am

Maybe his family should consider a burial at sea? It would be fun watching the grave dancers then.

59. Television evangelist Falwell dies at 73

Comment #41352 by CJ on May 16, 2007 at 1:31 am

153. Comment #41316 by hightrekker on May 15, 2007 at 9:40 pm
A Eulogy for Rev. Falwell by Tinky Winky
By far the best post so far but wrong on so many levels!

It would appear that a victim of the Christian meme has died.

I'm with Terry Pratchett on this one.

MR FALWELL IT'S TIME TO GO NOW

If the above means nothing to you buy Mort I'd be very surprised if you didn't enjoy it.

60. Furor over author Ayaan Hirsi Ali's visit stirs debate on religious freedom

Comment #40834 by CJ on May 15, 2007 at 4:34 am

29. Comment #40798 by NJS on May 15, 2007 at 2:40 am

However I think a Muslim cleric who lives in the US and calls for people to be killed in this way crosses the line from a simple meme victim and I have no problem describing him as an evil person who follows an evil religion.


NJS, I agree completely that the line must be drawn at the threat of violence.

My line of thought follows the demonising potential of the words "evil person who follows an evil religion." that could just as well be NAZI rhetoric about the Jews. I just don't think it moves things on.

There are undoubtedly psychopathic people. They will be born randomly all across the world into all cultures. Some of these people are born leaders e.g. Hitler and Stalin. A psychopath will exploit the culture into which they born. The worst possible combination is a charismatic, psychopathic and delusional personality that founds a religion. But all those normal people who grow up in the subsequent culture are victims; they are not evil, just unlucky. Don't get me wrong, when I watch replays of the 9/11 Islamic atrocity I feel hate and the desire for revenge. But then I force myself to remember the few Muslims I have met and remember they were all hardworking peaceful people trying to get along in the world just like me and they didn't and wouldn't dream of hurting anybody. To treat them as an "evil person who follows an evil religion." would by wrong.

61. Furor over author Ayaan Hirsi Ali's visit stirs debate on religious freedom

Comment #40574 by CJ on May 14, 2007 at 2:08 pm

9. Comment #40535 by NJS on May 14, 2007 at 12:30 pm

Evil Rotten People or Evil Rotten Religion?

Look beyond the meme, see the victims.

What chance does a Saudi child have?

62. Furor over author Ayaan Hirsi Ali's visit stirs debate on religious freedom

Comment #40462 by CJ on May 14, 2007 at 10:14 am

"She has been identified as one who has defamed the faith. If you come into the faith, you must abide by the laws, and when you decide to defame it deliberately, the sentence is death," said ElBayly,

Change your mind we kill you! The Islamic meme strikes again.

63. Atheism in America

Comment #40284 by CJ on May 14, 2007 at 4:44 am

Related article SMALKOWSKI FOUND NOT GUILTY ON ALL COUNTS

"Chester (Chuck) Smalkowski, a member of American Atheists living in Hardesty, Oklahoma, has been found Not Guilty on all counts by a twelve person jury in Guymon, Texas County, Oklahoma."

ABC page for the 20/20 programme


Nicole's Myspace Page

64. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #40135 by CJ on May 13, 2007 at 9:33 am

I agree with those that see irreducible complexity as an act of intellectual masturbation. As natural selection is the only self-sustaining mechanism of biological change and that there is no designer ID is shown for what it really is, the propaganda of liars, charlatans and fools.

65. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #40114 by CJ on May 13, 2007 at 7:12 am

RE 17. Comment #40113 by elfinabout on May 13, 2007 at 6:43 am

How right you are. However until Stuart Burgess's views are conclusively countered his arguments will be propagated by those with much more sinister agendas.

There have been many examples of apparent irreducible complexity and most (if not all) have been refuted. But it would only take one true example to be found to kill natural selection as the only mechanism of biological change, hence it is the creationist's Holy Grail, and like the Holy Grail (or at least its supernatural properties) it is mythical.

We will have to put with this sort of thing for a while yet but as long as we can keep the net conversion rate from theist to atheist the rationalist view will ultimately prevail.

66. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #40111 by CJ on May 13, 2007 at 6:34 am

Re 14. Comment #40103 by pewkatchoo on May 13, 2007 at 5:41 am

How is 'uniqueness' an argument against evolution?


It isn't. And however "thick" you may consider yourself to be you have still got a greater insight into the way the world works than Stuart Burgess the guy who wrote the Knee article who has the following pedigree.

Stuart Burgess is a lecturer in Engineering Design in the Department of Mechanical Engineering at Bristol University, United Kingdom. He has also lectured Engineering Design at Cambridge University where he was a Bye-Fellow of Selwyn College. He has published over 50 papers and patents in the area of engineering design and is a recipient of the Worshipful Company of Turners Engineering Design Gold Medal. He is a member of Buckingham Chapel in Bristol and has a Diploma in Theology from the London Reformed Baptist Seminary.

Q: What is the difference between Stuart Burgess and God?
A: God knows he isn't Stuart Burgess,

67. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #40110 by CJ on May 13, 2007 at 6:23 am

Re 13. Comment #40099 by steve99 on May 13, 2007 at 5:28 am

Thanks for the link steve99. I hoped my comment would stimulate a suitable response!

68. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #40093 by CJ on May 13, 2007 at 4:55 am

Re 9. Comment #40064 by devolved on May 13, 2007 at 12:36 am

Thanks to devolved to this link. It's from the ID camp so approach it with an open mind ;)

"Conclusion

Whether gene mutations are random (as atheists believe) or planned (as many theistic evolutionists believe) the process of evolution cannot produce an irreducible mechanism because evolution is restricted to incremental change in the genetic code.

The human knee joint is an irreducible mechanism that must have at least four complex parts existing simultaneously and in a complex assembly to perform any useful function. The 16 critical characteristics in the knee joint correspond to several thousand units of information in the genetic code. These units of information cannot evolve incrementally but must exist simultaneously for the knee to perform its basic function.

There are no intermediate forms of joint between the condylar joint of the knee and the other two joints found in animals and humans — the ball and socket joint and the pivot joint. And there are distinct differences between the knee joint of animals and that of humans.

There is thus overwhelming evidence that the knee was created as a fully functioning limb joint from the beginning of its existence."


Of course the only evidence for the knee joint being irreducibly complex is our current inability to see its prior forms in the fossil record.

69. The Case Against Intelligent Design: The Faith That Dare Not Speak Its Name

Comment #39884 by CJ on May 12, 2007 at 7:17 am

Just goes to show:

You can take theists to knowledge but you can't make them think!


Absolutly worth a visit Edge and a bookmark!

70. The meaning of freedom

Comment #39856 by CJ on May 12, 2007 at 5:40 am

"Lets kill people who dress wrong" The Islamic meme strikes again!

Related and interesting article on the BBC about ladies swimming in Saudia Arabia. Making a public splash in Saudi

71. The Debate: Can We Live by Reason Alone?

Comment #39835 by CJ on May 12, 2007 at 4:35 am

18. Comment #39793 by the great teapot on May 12, 2007 at 12:26 am

Unlike many above I thought this was one of the best interviewers Richard has had. He acted as devils advocate so that Richard could get his points across and then sat back and allowed Richard to give full answers to his questions.A child would not have done that.
I enjoyed it.


Happy to recycle the above comment. While a lot of what was said grated on my nerves it was still one of the better programmes I've seen.

I would really like to see RD take on the Muslim chap.

73. The Encyclopedia of Life

Comment #39348 by CJ on May 10, 2007 at 11:36 am

One of the most important projects ever. Signed up offering my services as a proof reader. They are going to need a lot of foot soldiers to make this work.

74. Massive explosion is brightest-ever supernova

Comment #38531 by CJ on May 8, 2007 at 2:06 pm

Sane1

It would have been one of the brightest events possible as the star is close to the upper limit of star size. It's relative brightness to our eyes would be proportional to it's distance. Smaller super nova closer to Earth could appear brighter in the sky.

75. Massive explosion is brightest-ever supernova

Comment #38529 by CJ on May 8, 2007 at 2:01 pm

If you are interested in studing this sort of thing I would highly recommend http://www.amazon.com/Universe-Roger-Freedman/dp/0716798840/ref=pd_bbs_2/104-3982481-8515924?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1178657856&sr=8-2

Page 475 show a sequence of diagrammes explaining stella evolution. It's a fantastic book.

76. Massive explosion is brightest-ever supernova

Comment #38525 by CJ on May 8, 2007 at 1:53 pm

#38522 sane1 wrote

"I thought super novae were uniformly bright, and as a result were a good yardstick for measuring their distances from us. So, are they saying that this one was closest?"

Super novea come in a number of different classes dependent on the original star size. There is consistancy within the different types which can be identified by the light spectrum generated when the explosion happens. Thus super nova can be used to determin distance but you need to identify the type of super nova first.

77. Massive explosion is brightest-ever supernova

Comment #38521 by CJ on May 8, 2007 at 1:41 pm

#38514 Yorker wrote

"I wonder how many millions of lives were terminated? That would be my choice of going - instantly recycled!"

These super massive stars last for a relatively short period of time. A 150 SM star could be off the main sequence within just 100,000 years and super nova within a million. So unless this took out a much older local system no life was lost. Of course this explosion seeded the local environment with carbon, nitrogen and oxygen and the core constituents of a second or third generation star like our own sun.

So somewhere out there 240 million light years away there could well be a boiling mostly silicon blob of rock that someday billions of years from now will be inhabited by intelligent beings watching our Sun going super nova.

And not a God anywhere in sight, stunning isn't it :-)

78. The torture of the grave Islam and the afterlife

Comment #38253 by CJ on May 7, 2007 at 10:26 am

Deadly Residue

Presume 1,500,000,000 Muslims
50% male = 750,000,000
50% < 30 = 375,000,000
50% > 15 = 187,500,000
1% fanatic = 1,875,000

At some point we could well face close to 2 million fanatics.

The solution?

79. The torture of the grave Islam and the afterlife

Comment #38104 by CJ on May 7, 2007 at 1:43 am

#4 Halo wrote


"Those who have lost a relative in a violent and shocking death - in the bombings in Baghdad, for instance - may find some consolation in this belief."


That may well be the sickest thing ever written. In what possible way could the relative of a loved one who had been killed by a suicide bomber kind comfort in the thought that while their loved one could be suffering the horrors of a Muslims afterlife the killer is lapping it up in paradise?

It's easily one of the stupidest things I've ever read and how exactly does somebody who believe such things not warrant an extended stay in a psychiatric unit?


At what point should the holder of this belief be sent to a psychiatric unit?

At birth? When that can talk at say between 18 and 24 months and mime to their parents "God is Great"? At 5 when they can quote verses from the Koran? At 10 after spending years in a madrasa being indoctrinated by specialist brain washers who were indoctrinated in the same way as them? At what age does this person stop being a victim of a process to turn them in Muslim who because of their upbringing you think they should be sent to a psychiatric unit? What real choice did they have?

People who follow these beliefs have little or no choice. They are victims who become perpetrators forged to propagate the Islamic meme. One should look beyond the meme and see the person. Their belief appears stupid to us but it does not to them, they live it, breathe it and feel it every minute of every day, it is their all encompassing existence.

As a Muslim if I believed in the effect of vicarious martyrdom I could hold on to that belief (delusion) and know in my heart that my relative had been spared the torture of the grave and got a free pass into paradise. I suspect that in the shock and horror of lose the human mind is capable of infinite self delusion.

Stupidity is a lack of intelligence not a moral choice. A person brought up in a closed dogmatic environment will understand that what they are told is true is true and they will act upon that understanding. It is completely normal to inherit your world view from the culture you are brought up in. Later in life if you are lucky you may gain access to another world view which you can logically evaluate against your own upbringing.

We are all just the sum of our perceptions moderated by our intelligence. We all start out blank with variable potential. Somebody born in Saudi Arabia or Poland isn't necessarily stupid just very unlucky.

81. The Damned

Comment #36858 by CJ on May 2, 2007 at 2:15 pm

Comment #36850 by kaiserkriss

No you get both hells all the time, you can't split eternity in half so you must get both at the same time!

82. In Ducks, War of the Sexes Plays Out in the Evolution of Genitalia

Comment #36744 by CJ on May 2, 2007 at 6:20 am

Brings new meaning to having a long screw!

"It may be easier to regrow it than to keep it healthy," I am so glad I'm not a duck!
Imagine the conversation,
"Has it fallen off yet dearest?"
"No darling, not yet. Shall we have one last go before the autumn drop?"
Or alternatively
"Darling, I've grown my new phallus!"
"And your point is, dearest?"

Where do all the old willies go?

What happens if it gets cross threaded?

Donald will never be the same again.

"and carefully coaxing out his phallus" is there any other way?

"The duck was quietly resting upside-down" lucky duck!

"When she first visited in January, the phalluses were the size of rice grains." it's a Northern hemisphere thing I know how they feel.

This has got to be one for the Intelligent Designers to explain. If they can quote the eye then we can retaliate with the duck's cock, metaphorically speaking.

83. 'god is not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything' by Christopher Hitchens

Comment #36207 by CJ on April 30, 2007 at 1:34 pm

Every book on atheism adds to the momentum of our movement
Every post on this site is a small abrasion of superstition
Every minute of every day science advances
Every moment the weight of evidence grows in our favour

Take heart from the increasing resistance of the superstitious it shows we are succeeding and eventually we will win, because every minute takes us further from the dark days of ignorance.

Write books about atheism and read books about atheism. Arm and armour yourself with the arguments they contain.

That's why these books should be written, to fight back against the darkness and oppression of religion.

84. Convention ends with Satan and immigrants

Comment #36198 by CJ on April 30, 2007 at 1:13 pm

1# WalkingArazor

We should throw people like this out of the country, then we'd have more room for immigrants. Problem solved!

Don't you bloody dare kick him out, you made him, he's your problem we don't F$%^&*% want him!!!
However, why not pick a small Caribbean island, build an internment camp on it for presumed religious nutters and send him there. Ah the correct use for Camp Xray!

85. We aim to misbehave

Comment #35938 by CJ on April 29, 2007 at 11:40 am

Today I went into a book shop (WH Smiths in Nottingham) and ended up browsing the section on religion. I did like the appropriately named "Islam for Dummies", yes it really does exist! And there next to the Bible, (various versions) were books on all the major religions and next to them witchcraft and things like "The Bible Code", all the usual superstitious stuff. Another title caught my eye "The Dawkins Delusion" one of the many fleas!

But what was missing? You've guessed it "The God Delusion". I found an assistant and asked where I could find Richard's books. He took me directly to the reference selection and there it was nestled up next to books on Einstein, the big bang, evolution etc. So what did I do? I moved some copies of The God Delusion to the Religion section.

It's only a little thing but I'll do it in every book shop where they don't put some copies of The God Delusion in the religion section. Why don't you!

Why not do the same for Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett as well!

86. Study: Religion is Good for Kids

Comment #35045 by CJ on April 26, 2007 at 4:36 am

55# Zamboro wrote


I would liken the difference between moral atheists and moral theists to the difference between two children told by their parents that they shouldn't steal.

The first of the two children asks his parents why they shouldn't do such a thing, to which the parents reply "Because we said so." This is satisfactory for the child.

The second of the two asks the same question and receives the same answer, but finds it unsatisfactory. "I need to understand *why* it is wrong to steal", he begs. So naturally his parents sit down and explain to him in detail how if we expect to live in a civilized society where we are not constantly at risk of being stolen from, we must do our part by not stealing from others.

The first child behaves only up to a point: He does not really understand *why* stealing is wrong, only that his parents will punish him if they discover he has stolen. The second child abstains from stealing not out of fear of punishment, because he fully understands *why* it is wrong to steal and that it is in his own best interest as well as that of his loved ones if he upholds this moral standard.


If you transpose atheist and theist in the first sentence and read the comment again nothing changes. It's still total bollocks. However change atheist for "bad parents" and theist for "good parents" it has a little logic. It attempts to say that children need proper full answers. Not just "I told you". Of course the atheist in reality would give the proper full answer, it would be the faith-head giving the dumb, stupid, un-thinking, trite, unitelligent "I told you!" answer.

Having three children who have never been in trouble with the police or at school I suppose I must be the exception to the rule, being an atheist or as Zamboro puts it "bad parent".

87. Brian Lehrer interviews Richard Dawkins

Comment #35035 by CJ on April 26, 2007 at 3:49 am

31. Comment #34661 by un_ko

Excellent job

Please would somebody explain the Christmas = Holidays issue in the US.

I take it by "holidays" you mean Christmas. I've always been amused by the American euphemism for Christmas in insisting calling it "holidays". This is nothing to do with, [snip] respecting the feelings for atheist, this is to do with respecting the feelings of Jews.


Thanks

88. Shout your doubt out loud, my fellow unbelievers

Comment #34829 by CJ on April 25, 2007 at 11:42 am

Come on folks give weefree a break. Trollish he may be but at least he bothers and keeps us on our toes. If we can't knock him down what chance do we have?

He is the grindstone on which we continually sharpen our atheist blade of reason.

And we all know while he's here he's off the streets and not trying to convert anybody ;)

Cracking article Parry!

89. Christians at Bible publishers have their throats cut

Comment #33070 by CJ on April 19, 2007 at 5:03 am

Re 33 Weefree

I think what I am trying to say (and I hate typing hence the slow response) is this.

People who kill are either psychopaths or are mislead by charismatic psychopaths. The justification for killing, the meme if you like, is irrelevant. The psychopath, be it Mohamed or Starlin creates a self justifying set of ideas that support their world view and that permits them to behave in a self gratifying fashion and sod the consequences!

However, the ultimate justification for any activity is God. You can't argue with that trump card because it is by definition beyond logical reasoning. It therefore is the easiest and strongest card to play or to attack, usually by using your own God. But as you say there have been times where it has suited the tyrant to vilify religion to get their own way e.g. Hitler, Starlin and Mao.

My "nice middle class western individualism" (lucky me) does not blind me to the atrocities carried out around the world or the stated aims of the perpetrators. To that end I can see greed for power and paranoia driving Starlin to kill more Russians than Hitler did Jews. But if we were all afflicted with "nice middle class western individualism" the world would not be as dangerous as it is.

If one believes in God then any potential atrocity is justifiable and it does not matter if God really exists or not. As there is no evidence for the existence for God I for one would rather attempt to live a good life (no killing, rape, thugery etc) and try and stop people killing each other in the name of a delusion.

90. Christians at Bible publishers have their throats cut

Comment #33047 by CJ on April 19, 2007 at 4:06 am

30 weefree wrote:

Fundmentalist atheist intolerance is just as dangerous as religious.


If there were a group who gathered together, espoused atheism as the only true path and carried out terrorist attacks on religious people simply because they did not agree with their beliefs I would agree with weefree's comment.

However I have seen no evidence of such a group and I also think that no such group could ever exist. This is because the atheist has no God to defend. We have no axe to grind that our God is better than your God. We have no heaven to go to therefore no need to guarantee entrance via an act of martyrdom. You can't offend my God, I don't have one.

If I were to choose to take the life of another person I would have no one to blame but me. I could not excuse the murder by saying I was doing it for a higher cause. I could not justify it because I was simply offended at your criticism of my point of view. I could not bring my children up to hate others simply for holding a misguided belief.

No, the worst a fundamentalist atheist could do is really, really disagree with your point of view. Hardly up there with the Spanish Inquisition is it?

91. Christians at Bible publishers have their throats cut

Comment #33036 by CJ on April 19, 2007 at 3:31 am

19 weefree wrote:

I wonder why this particular story was posted and not the story about the Virginia massacres?


Insane people kill people. Atheist insane people kill people. Religious insane people kill people. However, the atheist lunatic does so in isolation; religious lunatics do it in groups and use the group ethos to justify their behaviour. The group mentality by definition amplifies the memes of the group and once you get a successful self-perpetuating meme based on violence it attracts the greedy, easily lead and feeble minded, both Communist and religious.

This story was posted for the simple fact that religion was at the root of the killing in Turkey. This site is all about breaking down religious memes so what did you expect?

Thanks for joining in; your strident voice really just confirms the reason why this site exists.

92. Christians at Bible publishers have their throats cut

Comment #33023 by CJ on April 19, 2007 at 3:12 am

14 Isik wrote:

So some guys want to stir up the things between religions and make us look bad in international arena.


Why? What do you think is the aim of these people? I don't understand why a group of Muslims would want to make Muslims in general look bad.

93. Doctors Opposing Circumcision: An Appeal for Misha

Comment #32556 by CJ on April 17, 2007 at 11:37 am

In the UK nobody makes money from circumcision.
In the UK 98% of males are uncircumcised.
In the US every snip makes somebody some money.
In the US 95%(?) of males are circumcised.
Go figure!

94. Medical 'Miracles' Not Supported by Evidence

Comment #31766 by CJ on April 14, 2007 at 6:43 am

Book recommendation, The Quantum World – Quantum Physics for Everyone –
By Kenneth W Ford
ISBN 0-674-01832-x

Logical and extremely well written. Details of Kenneth Ford can be found at http://www.ianford.com/kenford/

96. The Salem Hypothesis

Comment #27328 by CJ on March 24, 2007 at 4:04 am

The critical bit of the Wiki entry is this,

"The validity of these hypotheses is debatable, as neither has actually been subjected to experimental rigor."

It's just speculation based on hear-say and therefore as irrelevant as creationist crap!

Bruce Salem needs to put some facts down.

Show us your evidence Bruce.

97. UK Christians 'suffer for faith'

Comment #26429 by CJ on March 19, 2007 at 9:25 am

So Jesus was tortured to death, while our current Christians have to put up with a bit of criticism; hardly seems fair does it? Oh well they can always follow their teachings, forgive us and turn the other cheek.

98. A 'Sad First' in the History of the Congress

Comment #25897 by CJ on March 15, 2007 at 2:55 pm

1 down 99 to go!

The over reaction is pitiful and symptomatic of a faith built on sand. Statistically there should by at least another 50 or so closet atheists. Let's see if any have got the guts to follow Stark!

99. Happy 50th Birthday to PZ Myers!

Comment #24899 by CJ on March 9, 2007 at 5:11 am

Another good blog to add to the favourites list.

Happy Birthday PZ!

Regards CJ

100. God, sex, drugs and politics

Comment #22737 by CJ on February 21, 2007 at 2:42 pm

Ok, so Christians won't vaccinate their kids but atheists will vaccinate their kids.

Looks like somebody needs to learn about natural selection.

Go Darwin!