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Comment #210292 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 8:10 am

DamnDirtyApe,







And based on the Columbian action, you see an interesting difference. Columbia sought to rid itself of these narco-terrorists (FARC). And what does Venezuela do? That's right it SUPPORTS FARC and allows this terrorist group to use Venezuelan territory to launch raids and other attacks inside Columbia, then the arch narcissist Chavez threatens Columbia when Columbia demands an end to aid to the terrorists.

Amusing how so many arm chair socialists here will twist and turn the reality to fit their Marxist fantasies.

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Comment #210289 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 8:07 am

bugaboo,






He is planning on stepping down in 2013. Well how generous of him. What was his follow up to the referendum. What did he attempt to do? I will let you fill the group in.

Please don't bring up Pat Robertson like he represents US policy towards Venezuela, you must be above such nonsense.

Could you also tell the group if Venezuela ALLOWED international observers to observe its elections.

953. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #210283 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 7:56 am

Laurie,





You are easliy duped, simply duped by the likes of Chomsky, who have been spouting the same nonsense for 40 years. The fact that much of what these types have said turned out to be false or grossly exaggerated has not weakened the cabal of panegyrists (not saying you are one, just speaking more generally about the issue) one bit.

The simple fact is, that in the eyes of certain leftist elements, the US can do no right, and in fact no right is hoped for. The bogie of US imperialism is something on which self flagellating leftists survive. Without this "evil" the left has no enduring purpose, it will make no mark on history.

What does the US receive the most criticism for:

1) Vietnam
2) Iraq
3) South America



All of these are considered simplistic evils of US imperialism. But none are.

1) Vietnam was part and parcel of a larger policy of containment of an evil doctrine (even the arm chair communists here would agree to this). It was an attempt to stop the fall of one country to Communism, a country in a region that could have been susceptible to this form of tyranny. It was a misguided attempt to save a country that wasn't fully committed to being saved.

Chomsky decries this as some great evil, but in Cambodia, how does his commentary run??? A "peasant revolt". A "peasant revolt" that led to over one million deaths. Of course this isn't weighed in the leftist consciousness. The re-education camps in Vietnam were ignored. The refugee crises, all ignored in favor of the whip of manufactured self righteousness.

2) Iraq... you have followed since Gulf War 1. Then you will know that much of the run up to both wars was manufactured, but have you listened to Hitchens' approach?

The Iraq options were three fold:

a) Allow Saddam to remain, allow him to manipulate his people, starve them, kill them.

b) Remove Saddam and leave and allow the people to fight it out over their own self determination.

c) Remove Saddam and remain at great cost to ourselves.


We have foolishly chosen "c" which isn't really the perogative of the United States. Saddam was a poor decision by the CIA years ago, and one now rectified, however foolishly.



3) South America. There is little to be said other than this was a great injustice perpetrated by the United States. Omar Torrijos comes to mind quite quickly.




Again, the US bears the brunt of the necessities of global dominance. It has used force projection for a number of ends, including noble ends. Yet even in these instances the blinding moral righteousness of the leftists has swung into action. Claiming Bosnian intervention was about Capitalism in Belgrade. Yet even Chomsky is at a loss to explain the manner of impetus involved in US intervention in Somalia.

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Comment #210271 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 7:34 am

bugaboo,






Let's see, inflation is out of control, any industry he has nataionalized has seen massive drops in production and efficiency. His arrogance and belligerence are a bad combination... notice his posturing at one of his public speeches:

(on national television):

"General please move 3 armored divisions to the border with Columbia."

This is ridiculous, Columbia had done nothing to Venezuela, and Chavez was either too arrogant or too stupid to realize that Columbia would mercilessly destroy the Venezuelan military, and that mobilizing infantry and armored divisions costs money.

Also, look at how Chavez has increased his own wealth... what do THOSE numbers look like. And what about attempts to be president for life? Has any "president for life" ever been good for a country?

He is an authoritarian, guilty of electoral fraud, whose regime is under investigation for human rights abuses both in the International Court and by Amnesty International... among others.

And finally his cozy relations with a country that seeks to "expunge the Zionist entity from the page of time".


... for starters.

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Comment #210259 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 7:09 am

Laurie,





Simplistic view. Iraq was ONLY about money? Have you noticed, as I have, in my observations, that there is rarely only ONE interest at work.

There were economic issues involved in Iraq, and it will prove to be a misadventure. But there is the issue of democracies in the Middle East. There is the issue of an American foothold next door to Iran. If the US occupies Iraq it makes the oil weapon a little less dangerous. You do realize that if Iran closed the straits of Hormuz, or at least made passage difficult with out massive use of US naval power, that fuel costs would be so high as to mean that people would starve to death all over the world because food would be too expensive to transport.

There are numerous benefits and numerous harms to come from Iraq. I think the most benefit is now achieved by departure, and allowin Iran to sink its terrorism budget in the coming proxy war with the Saudis. And I think Christopher Hitchens has some interesting input on the Iraq issue as well.

The US mishandled Latin America, no doubt. But look at what "populists" have done... Chavez? He is dangerous, and to his own people more than anyone else. The US would be better off creating a more cooperative atmosphere in Latin America, or else China will eat our lunch there.

Now, look at the non-intervention policies of China... look the other way on human rights, contribute to genocide, support for any kind of government that would be pliable. It is no better, and in fact worse.

Or the European model? Appease brutal and disgusting regimes and ways of life? No thanks... on the whole the US serves and important function. And if the US rids itself of dependency on oil, things will change for the better.

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Comment #210249 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 6:42 am

Laurie,






Your way of life comes at a price my friend. You want freedom? Well Communism had to be opposed. Was it highly unfortunate that people got trampled, killed, and governments were overthrown? Yes it was.

I find the idea that the US is the GREATEST terrorist threat amusing, to say the least. Wait until Iran gets nuclear weapons.

Which country denies the Holocaust while promising another? That's right, Iran.

The most amusing thing about your childish Chomskian notions is that you don't account for the balance of power. Assume it could be reversed. Who would you rather have in possession of the most formidable military might... the United States or Iran? Israel or the Palestinians?

I would rather Israel have nuclear weapons (even though I don't like it) than any of its neighbors. You see the United States has never called for the destruction of an entire people, Iranians have, Palestinians have.

I prefer the balance of power as such. Like I said, when Iran gets a nuclear weapon and can successfully deter US military might to some degree, then you will get your dose of reality. Every world power must excercise its power in some fashion. I prefer the US manner to the Soviet manner, and both of those to the Islamic manner.

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Comment #210244 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 6:35 am

epeeist,




Well how long has the US economy been in debt? Since Bush came into office and began floating money to the top of the economy.

The US incurs a lot of debt keeping western ways of life intact.

Debt isn't a problem so long as you have the means to get out. If you don't, then you are screwed.

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Comment #210236 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 6:20 am

Phil,






Let's not forget that Scandanavian countries have large economic powerhouses (US, England) to protect their interests around the world. The US and Britain will expend a great deal on military might to ensure the flow of oil, safe transit of other goods, safe transit of people.

This goes for US tanks parked in Germany keeping the Communists at bay for half a century.

Let's just see how these pseudo socialist countries fair when they are forced to be responsible for their own protection and way of life. Sure these people are happy, they are not bogged down fighting a bunch of irrational Muslim radicals who think the earth is flat in the asshole backwater of Afghanistan.

Must be nice to have someone else do the leg work, no?

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Comment #210233 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 6:08 am

Fanusi,






It is the rage of the so-called "socialist" which makes me most reticent. The blinding rage towards bourgeois society. They accuse the bourgeois of theft then go on to advocated a state wide system of theft.

They bemoan corporate theft, yet propse government theft, as if the two were any different.



epeeist,



How did you purchase your home? Homes are expensive, and people need to borrow money to purchase them. Housing markets and prices are the result of a number of factors, don't simplify the issue.

Should houses be free? Who will pay the builders? Should they be subsidized by the government, what?

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Comment #210231 by al-rawandi on July 14, 2008 at 6:01 am

Fanusi,




I can't even leave for the weekend.


My addition: "No one ever got shot going east over the Berlin Wall."


I will say it once and I will say it again... I am distrustful of centralizations of power. I trust a government about as much as I trust a corporation. Both exist solely to perpetuate their own power. Both provide benefit.

People have organized to limit corporate power, which is a good thing. However, the government was once limited in similar fashion (at least in the US, and perhaps other western nations) it is constantly affording itself more power (ever generous with money that isn't theirs).



epeeist,





What do you suggest the government do? How much power should it have.

I find it interesting that people like Fighting Falcon say that they are these ultr-free market libertarians, seeking to end government interference yet are willing to allow the government to have all kinds of powers of surveilance. Not to mention the expenditures on the military.

961. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #209099 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 3:14 pm

Sciros,






Well communism would fuck up the dating scene.


Women are attracted to men due to:

1) Power
2) Money
3) The ability to dominate other men.


If you made it all equal how would dating work?



With that I depart!!!!

962. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209093 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 3:09 pm

Brian,




Gym first. Then I will guzzle beers for several hours and rue the day I ever met clearmind and joe morreale.

963. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209084 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 3:00 pm

Brian,



I am done for today.

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Comment #209080 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:57 pm

Brian,




In this country it is 1/16 Cherokee to get in on a casino deal somewhere.


Chief Drinking Scotch in Conneticut cashes in on big bucks.

965. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209075 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:48 pm

Update:






8========D ~~ ()-:



Okay someone hit my troll button already.

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Comment #209072 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Brian,






Not all do. Just those that buy into that culture. I work and socialize with a lot of blacks that identify themselves as African American and are simply great people.

See a lot of African Americans view whites as the enemy, and they view qualities of civilized society as "white" traits, thus they cultivate traits opposite these to solidify their identify and show non-submission in the conflict which (in their minds) is still going on. That is why Barak Obama gets called "white" because of the way he acts and what he says. He isn't white, he is black and he just ascribes to civilized ideas. There are no white and black ideas, only ideas. You can choose what you want to act out.



Jiten,



Hmmm the subservience of individuality and personal achievement to the state, whatever that state may be. A total sacrifice of liberty.

So proceed to tell me how it is going to be wayyyyyy different and it will be "worker owned factories" and what not. And then tell us how we have it all wrong and that in the perfect world (which will never exist incidentally) communism is perfect.

Very few free market supporters think it is perfect (save for FF maybe), they just think it is superior to hair brained notions of communism.

History has been the judge.

967. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209066 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Brian,






You think I am sick? Yeah I guess, but it is Friday and I am losing my mind.

I think my description of the virgins of the Muslim hereafter was much worse.

968. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209061 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Brian,






Uhhhh yeah the sword of Muhammad actually.


8========D ()-:



This is wooter using a microphone.

969. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #209057 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Brian,





I have a truth table for you:




8=========D

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Comment #209047 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:28 pm

Brian English,







See this aboriginal problem is a bit different than race problems in the US. However it is quite similar to how American Indians were treated and now live (hint: just give your aboriginals casinos and call it a wash).

But here in the US, for instance, African Americans can get into college with MUCH lower GPA and SAT scores. If they write a sob story for the essay their odds are improved. Fair enough, I feel your situation growing up should be a factor, just not your race.

But the real causes are never addressed. For instance a cultural mileu that glorifies violence, crime, disrespect, misogyny, theft, abuse, and athletics over academics. This is not something white people can fix because this culture already views whites as the enemy, and distrusts them intensely. Most of the "social leaders" (the "not so revered" Sharpton, and Jesse Jackson front and center) spend their time defending the "expression" of African Americans and not actually helping anything.

The white reaction to this cultural issue is often seen as racism. For instance I wouldn't want my daughter to date a black man (if he hails from this culture) precisely because I don't want a man to date my daughter if he calls women "bitches" and "ho's", and thinks it is acceptable to abuse women physically and to commit adultery at every opportunity as the culture has come to glorify. These are the things that need to be fixed, not admission standards at a university. And only African Americans can fix them, that is why there is so much noise about other distractions because when it comes time to take some ownership, most people (of any race) start looking around for somone to blame.


Okay rant over.

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Comment #209024 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 2:06 pm

Brian,





Exactly, a lot of liberals aren't compassionate, they truly think some people are inferior and feel really bad about it and pretend to like you and give you all the advantages.

Think about affirmative action, here is what it says:


"You are too stupid and incompetent to get a job, and this doesn't seem likely to change. We feel bad, so here get into Harvard with shit grades, and we can go back to looking the other way."

It is annoying.

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Comment #209014 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Tez,




Corylus said I had "Yeti" feet. I was hurt more than a litte. I take people with a cute mouse as their avatar seriously.



Brian,


I am tall enough that flying sucks really bad. I hate it.



Steve,



That's good to know. I am seriously wondering if wooter was somehow damaged as a child. A fall, or dropped at birth, he seems to be developmentally delayed.




Sciros,



But by your definition the Islamic state is the same as the communist state. For those who support Shariah they say "well these punishments are never meant to be carried out, because the goevrnment should provide so there are no thieves, and people are spiritually centered so there is no adultery, etc...." It is the exact same nonsense as communism.

And as for communist views here in America, it was always the confused children of privelege out there wankering on about communism (I am talking Berkeley). All the poor kids were studying business and engineering so they could go make a buck. I always found that humerous. It is the other endearing quality of liberals, they assume since they are the educated elite they know what is best for everyone, it is as nasty a form of bigotry as the out and out bigots of the right wing, just disguised better.

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Comment #208994 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:40 pm

Sciros,







Marx was a nasty, bitter man. It oozes out of his writings.

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Comment #208981 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:17 pm

Jiten,






You are right. But you are equally persistent in pushing a pretty obviously bad idea.


Although I have noticed my typing is so bad lately that I am starting to look like wooter when I hit "submit". I am terrified. Even wooter himself noted a mistake I made... I was so ashamed.

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Comment #208973 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:08 pm

sciros,





As to epeeists "bad logic", my point was that simply because it was better means nothing at all. It is only worthy when evaluated as an idea on its own. The simple fact that their prior government blow a fat dick didn't really mean anything except that maybe Russians are good at sucking at life. But that wasn't his point, I don't think.

976. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208970 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Jiten,






Give it the fuck up already. You are worse than clearmind.


If you keep reposting the same crap you think people will fall for it.


The good news is, that most people are committed to their own liberty enough to depress the handle on the intellectual toilet of communism, and send that ideology where it belongs. Everyone with half a brain knows that telling someone they will get the same as some lazy ass, even though they work 3x as hard will end up being a shit program.

Collectivism doesn't work, precisely because people by nature have a large individualist streak.


Communism is a brown stain on the underwear of life.

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Comment #208966 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 1:01 pm

sciros,




Then we agree!


I don't blame the ideology, I blame a naive man, and an even naiver (is that a word?) group for trying to make it happen.


Sorry if I over stepped reason on my reply. I just get a little annoyed over the constant apologia for failed ideologies.


Sorry.

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Comment #208955 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 12:42 pm

epeeist,

However, compare it with the regime it replaced and see if it was any better. Did the standard of living improve? Did education improve? Were people liberated from serfdom? Were human rights better than under the Czarist regime? Would things have improved if the Czar had remained in place?

Bad logic alert. Compare to:




"Islam was better than pre-Islamic Arab society."

lack of democracy

Communism in its nature is undemocratic, because it is a total change of society. A change from freedom to slavery to an unattainable ideal, one in which you make sacrifices for those who don't feel it necessary to work as hard as you do, and feel they deserve the same comforts.

A Communist society cannot be democratic because it seeks the destruction of everything even remotely associated with private ownership. While in a mixed economy like in the US or Britain, you can go off on some empty land somewhere and live communally if you so wish.

Compare the Free Market/Communist divide to the Western/Muslim divide. In a western society you are free to be Muslim, in a Muslim society any decision to be anything else will result in death or expulsion. You are free to live communally in the free market (it is your right as INDIVIDUALS) while in a communist country, any private ownership will be confiscated and you will be sent to prison (or a gulag or whatever).

If you like free thought and liberty you certainly won't be a communist for long. Humans evolved through competition and a degree of cooperation. Let's not fuck it up now.

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Comment #208947 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 12:24 pm

Sciros,

I am going to only say it once: to blame the killing of millions in the USSR and China on communism is akin to blaming the actions of Nazi Germany on Darwinism.

No it isn't. The USSR claimed to be Communist. No Nazis ever said they were Darwinists. USSR did things in the name of Communism, Nazi Germany didn't do anything in the name of Darwinism.

Read and learn about communism, understand what it is, rather than spew rubbish about "need over life." Communism has NEVER existed. Socialism under the rule of a "communist party" (communist in name only) has become termed in the West as...

This is the point all you Communists MISS. You keep parroting this same line over and over and over "That isn't REAL Communism". The point is irrelevant, because the USSR, Cuba, North Korea, et al are what happens when you TRY to make Communism happen. When you centralize power and beat senseless those who were wealthy. When you collectivize things. When you nationalize industry. Look at Venezuela, Chavez means well, but he will fuck that country up six ways from Sunday trying "fix" things.


The attempt at Communism is what causes death and destruction, not Communism. Communism is impossible and unworkable, it counteracts the very nature of people. The attempt is what scares me.

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Comment #208938 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 12:12 pm

Peace






They stay virgins.



An eternity of:


"Does that feel okay? Am I doing it right?"

"oh ow, that hurts"

"Not in my mouth"




No thanks.

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Comment #208925 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 11:53 am

Tez,





Hey if the kids are crippled obviously god wants them that way, because if he didn't want them that way they wouldn't be crippled now would they? Thus I don't feel bad, because if it's cool with Allah, it's cool with me.

982. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208917 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 11:36 am

Vaal,







[sarcasm]Females do get virgins. Of course that is mostly comprised of members of the chess club, Han Solo Appreciation Society ex-presidents, and people who dress up as Klingons at Star Trek conventions[/sarcasm]

983. An Irishman's Diary

Comment #208902 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 11:13 am

It isn't the 150th anniversary of "evolution" but rather of natural selection... am I wrong?

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Comment #208900 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 11:11 am

Joe,






Your pathetic assertions have been dashed upon the rocks, yet you still come here and claim victory, with the humorous preamble "This is my last comment". Stop teasing us you rascal, we would all be delighted if you followed through on just one of these threats.

You keep returning because you are stupid enough to believe if you post scienceislam.com (which has been discredited by not only the scientists here, but anyone with even a modest command of the English language... which means everyone but you) one more time, people will say "Oh mountains of evidence are wrong, a 1400 year old book that says the earth is flat written by a man who said Satan urinates in your ears at night, is the true answer".

Where is the attraction in this Islam? Where I ask. Let's say I become a Muslims, I give up:

1) Drinking (*EDIT* "alchol")
2) Meaningless sex with strange women (see #1)
3) Tasty pork
4) Taking interest on my investments (how will I afford #1 and #2???)
5) Having time to myself.
6) Respecting women
7) Thinking for myself
8) Wearing anything longer than a capri pant (yes there is a hadith about how long your pants should be, and yes Muslims are singlehandedly keeping capri pants in style... gay men thank you)

Let's say I do all of this... suffer a life of sobriety and slavish devotion to an empty sky. Then what? I go and live with 72 virgins for eternity? Have you ever had sex with a virgin? Are you kidding me, that would be like me ending my baseball career to forever play catch with a blind kid with muscular dystrophy. No thanks. How about all the little boys running around in heaven? Yeah they bring me wine (apparently Allah is not a beer guy, but rather a stuck up French d-bag), but I am not attracted to small boys, I am afraid.

And worst of all I have to spend eternity with someone like you (assuming you aren't out raping children on the side and get sent to hell... or does that get you sent to heaven... I will have to check the Qur'an.... ok never mind).


Why would I give up all the fun and freedom to be locked in an eternal virgin-fuck-fest with a fucking loser like you? Where is the draw?


Islam needs a better marketing scheme. I can consult, I work for $1,000 per hour, take it up with your Allah, you have my number.


Toodles.

985. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208889 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 10:52 am

Ishruul,





I try to mix in some humor in an otherwise very sad topic. Someone dogmatically tied to absolute nonsense... dangerous nonsense, is nothing to laugh at. These people are dangerous, because no amoung of evidence can sway them. They are why I am unsure about the jury system... to high a chance of an idiot like this simply ignoring plain facts.

986. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208847 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 9:52 am

It's a dog eat dog world and Joe is wearing MilkBone underwear.

987. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #208843 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 9:49 am

Joe it is time we burst your pathetic bubble one last time,

The worst of the colonialists - The Spanish and British with their greed and racism ethnic -cleansed the American Indians , viewed as "red skins" to the point where there is not many of them left. Include their savage slave-trade record into that to.
Australia and South Africa are also stolen lands.

Slavery is an awful thing, you are right. Thus we in the west have outlawed the practice. Islam still condones slavery and concubinage. Secualr countries can attempt to right wrongs and improve their societies, Islam can only look into the misty past for some Iron Age solution.

Rape, stealing, killing, aldutery, divorces, teenage pregnancies, single parent mums, alcoholics, junkies, sueing culture,selfishness, people that place their parents in nursery homes and on and on..

Really? More than 1 in 70 Iranians are drug addicts. The sex trade is alive and well in a number of countries. In Yemen girls as young as 8 are forced into marriage. In Mauritania, slaves are still traded. And believe it or not, STD's are on the rise in Muslim countries.

WESTERN POWERS CONSTANTLY FOIST TYRANNICAL RULERS UPON THE IMPOVERISHED MASSES. THEY THEN KEEP THE TYRANTS IN POWER THROUGH TAXPAYER MONEY AS WELL AS ILLICIT FUNDS.

Unfortunate. I don't agree with this practice, people must have the right of self determination. Let's see which Middle Eastern country has exercised self determination: Iran. And now citizens are exceuted for changing religions, and writing "blasphemy" on the internet. And the other? Israel...

THE FREEDOM TO ACT WITHOUT REGARD TO THE ULTIMATE CONSEQUENCES

You mean like bin Laden, the Saud family, Iranian clerics, Hezbollah, Hamas, al-Qaeda, Fatah al-Islam, Islamic Jihad, FLN, Qaddafi, Hussein, Taliban, ISI, PFLP, PLO, AIQ, the Alawis, PKK.... Which one of these murderous groups (MUSLIM) is worried about ultimate consequence?

And in America, people are held accountable for their actions.


And as for all the books... I highly doubt you read any of them.

"...Through the Arabs it was and not by the Latin route that the modern world received that gift of light and power."

Can you at least post the website where you copied this from? And we went over this, the Arabs translated these books, and managed not to lose them, then the Europeans came back from them


But let's assume you are right... the Arabs did all of this for European enlightenment. Where, then, was the Islamic enlightenment. This was before colonialism... so why didn't the Muslims rocket through the Industrial Revolution with the rest of the world???? What held them back... care to answer?

All this is common in the West. The modern attitude towards woman is one of inequality in wages, seen as sex objects in office environment, belittled by derogatory comments and even physically harrassed to.
America a country which prides itself as the bastion of freedom, sex scandals, even in the highest office, are routine. Women are exploited for so-called "artistic sex marketing" purposes are far from free, unless freedom is defined as free sex, sexual harassment, coercion, and/or rape.

This is ridiculous. Things have GREATLY improved for women in the US, while they have remained the same in Muslim countries.

Funny thing, in Islamic law women are worth half that of a man in terms of testimony due to their "deficient" intellect. Where are such rules in western jurisprudence? Huh? Fucking no where, because our society has advanced while Islamic "society" treats women like baby machines.


Your arguments are trash, your grammar is trash, your attitude is trash, and your religion is trash. Get a fucking clue.

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Comment #208829 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 9:36 am

Faunsi,





I got this one.

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Comment #208826 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 9:34 am

Fanusi,







Do you want me to name names?


But anyhow, it is the new historical revisionism for communists to say that all the bad communists weren't really communists. Sort of like some London Imam saying bin Laden "isn't a real Muslim".

The only laudable quality that Sayyid Qutb had was that he hated Communism more than anything in the world.

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Comment #208821 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 9:30 am

Fanusi,




Be careful now, there are quite a few Chomsky-fellating communists who a regulars here.


Those "We swear communism will work, let's just try it one more time" types.

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Comment #208765 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 8:20 am

Isruul,




Know the difference? I make people call me "Master Chief", and I carry a weapon around to kill the Covenant.

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Comment #208687 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 6:36 am

kaph,






You have an Azharite running the show there now?

No good, no good at all.

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Comment #208686 by al-rawandi on July 11, 2008 at 6:34 am

Clearmind,






Show me where there is documentation of Asma bin Abu Bakr's birth (that is Aisha's sister).

Because no one seems to know when she was born... and none of the sources seem to list 595 as the date.

And in all seriousness, are you mentally handicapped? I am dead serious here, I am not trying to be rude, but you clearly have some impediments and I am wondering if you were injured as a child or something.





Vin,



I posted linkes to about 10 Hadith regarding Aisha's age (as being 9). Slap dick here didn't bother to read any of them. He just keeps posting the same thing OVER AND OVER.

994. PLEASE WRITE IN SUPPORT OF PZ MYERS

Comment #208089 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 3:08 pm

I think he should take the Catholics to court and demand that they PROVE that the cracker is actually Jesus. Because desecration of sacred symbols is not illegal, so they have to prove it is like Jesus' eyelid or something.

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Comment #208080 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:59 pm

Calilasseia,





Saying Islam made science happen for Europe... taking it out of the dark ages is like saying a Librarian wrote every book in the library.

Congratulations to the Arabs for translating and managing not to burn the books, but after that I can count on one hand the number of Muslim philosophers that had much to say.... Actually I will try:


Ibn Sina
Ibn Rushd
al-Farabi
Qutb al-Din al-Shirazi
Ibn al-Rawandi
Abu Issa al-Warraq


Ha, and the last two are apostates. Go figure.

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Comment #208073 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:52 pm

kaph,





Iyyim teshekkur ederim.


The problem with Turkish is you can almost type it with English keyboards, but not quite.

I agree, how about about the Lal Masjid (Red Mosque) in Pakistan?

Ap Kaysee hay? May boht acha hoo...

Oh wait that's Urud... shit.

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Comment #208057 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:33 pm

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3309

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3310

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/muslim/008.smt.html#008.3311

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4915

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/abudawud/041.sat.html#041.4917


These are from 3 THREE of the cannonical compilations of Hadith (Bukhari, Muslim, and Dawud).


You can also look in al-Tabari to find an identical description.


Muhammad had also beat A'isha.




So you bungling fucktard, take A'isha's word for the age, take every Muslim scholar's view.

Or you can take your own delusions as fact... I suspect you will choose the latter.

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Comment #208055 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm

Clearmind,





Allow the ass kicking of you.... beeeeeegin:



Let's see what Aisha had to say about marriage:

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.234

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/058.sbt.html#005.058.236

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.064

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.065

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/062.sbt.html#007.062.

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Comment #208045 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:25 pm

rod-the-farmer,






Give it up. Muhammad never had a wife name "Hathje" it isn't even a name in Arabic. The guys is far too fucking stupid.

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Comment #208040 by al-rawandi on July 10, 2008 at 2:23 pm

Quine,






Just remember to your logics the mona lisa painted own face, painter does not enter exist. These is standard lie for evolins. DNA is MONA LIS, DON'T YOU SEE. The evolins not know this DNA house built by construction man. Who is construction man, this maybe be to God who is making construction of house.

Your slander makes only talk of speaker, not logics.


P.S. I am a Romanian dipshit farm hand who screws the barnyard animals.