1201. Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

Comment #218342 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 9:31 am

Goldy,




That is an awesome story.


You should have said: "Show me your cans and I will buy a bible."

You should learn how to play these people better.

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Comment #218339 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 9:21 am

H4D,





I understand, that happens to me plenty. The cost of longer posts is missed posts in between.

You can keep a seperate page open and update that while you copose, I do that sometimes.

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Comment #218329 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 8:47 am

Steve,





I should have clarified that comment, as ones "mindlessly supporting feminism in a general sense".


You are always near to correct my errors in rationalism... :-)


You are right.



sincerely,

-The not so mean guy

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Comment #218327 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 8:45 am

Nairb,




No one was more shocked on the Saudi Stats than me.


They have drivers, and are conducted to their places of business. Many of the businesses serve women's needs or women clients. In fact much of the wealth in Saudi Arabia is actually controlled by women. This is of limited value as the women are controlled by the men.

Also many of these businesses may be run from home, I don't know.


I am not contradicting you on the discrimination issue. I happen to believe it still takes place in most civilized nations (EDIT* however my belief isn't evidence). But I think feminists have distorted this to a degree to keep their movements front and center. They choose issues like Augusta National because it gets them attention.

Helping women in the Congo won't get them on the O'Reilly Factor.

Again, I sincerely appreciate your posting that study.

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Comment #218322 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 8:38 am

Hawt4Dawk,

Al-Rawandi, I request that you address me and my arguments in more respectful terms in future

Your request is noted. It will be sent to the appropriate committee.

You may have the power to upset me with your aggressive tone, but you can't cow me or demolish my arguments with them.

Your arguments are demolished by the fact that you can't establish the relevancy of western feminism. Other people have been posting the odd story where this might be true, but YOU have done nothing but inject opinion in a factual matter.

You can't do the George Bush thing and just say something to make it true.

Very poor analogy. Until I see the relevancy of something, it is probably irrelevant. Please continue to ignore my requests for evidence and statistics. That is more Bushian than anything, simply ignore the evidence and plod on.

I have been operating out of the sincerest desire to establish a more balanced and well-informed attitude toward this particular group of people called feminists.

You mean the feminists who have been spouting the nonsense that 90% of domestic violence is perpetrated by men... which is absolutely false? You mean that kind of balance?

I am an honest person and I wouldn't do that.

This is easy to prove, put up some statistics or studies to support you position, or admit that it is incorrect. These kind of statements are often easy to test.

the onus has been on me and Kkelly to provide sufficient evidence for our claims, then you and The White Pearl win

I accept your surrender.

Congratulations

Thx.

However, as I see it, the onus is on you to provide evidence to prove right your unorthodox claim that feminism in the West is obsolete,

That would be a good vision, if that was what I in fact said.

because there aren't any or enough significant problems faced by women in the West

I asked you to show me some of these "problems" you couldn't do it despite multiple requests and a 24 hour time frame. You are operating on inherited wisdom, on the assumption that women have it bad here, and that you assume feminists are doing something about it. I see the feminists as becoming attention seekers and distorters, attempting to keep feminism alive. They enjoy the spotlight, and that goes away when these problems do. So they have a vested interest in perpetuating the perception of a problem.

and, further, that it is wrong to characterize the women and men who are feminist activists as "spineless"

Perhaps. But that was a comment by Fanusi (I think) directed to feminists over the Islam issue.

Why do I need to establish evidence for things that have been printed on government, non-governmental organizations and activists' websites and printed in the papers for the last 30 years?

You don't, you just have to post ONE SINGLE LINK to any of it. You have been unable or unwilling to do this.

Since I am not going to take the time to dig up the "evidence" you have demanded and you think yourself under no obligation to do so, we're just going to agree to disagree here

I did dig up evidence. In a 5 minute search of google I found a number of sites providing information that suggests feminists have been distorting information about domestic violence.

Instead of dealing with gang rapes in the Congo they spend their time twisting statistics to create the perception of a problem here in the US. That is not just spineless, it is dishonest.

So if you really cannot spare 5 minutes, then you can't, but I find it hard to believe.

I would suggest that mindless hostility toward "feminists", without any clarification of who you're talking about, is no different than the hostility exhibited to the suffragists who marched in front of the White House for universal suffrage and had men coming up and spitting in their faces and physically abusing them.

Mindless? The only ones here being mindless are the ones supporting feminism. Like kkelly, advancing something as fact only to retract it for lack of supporting evidence.


I have clarified who I am speaking about, and I will further agree with Apathy's characterization as well.




Sincerely,


The Big Mean Bully.

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Comment #218314 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 8:06 am

Nairb,





Thank you for posting this.


Let me say this doesn't always indicate equality. For instance, about 50% of small businesses (newly formed and grown) in Saudi Arabia are owned by women. Is this an indication of their equality.

Two other points....

1) Do you think women are as well qualified as men? Meaning is it an issue of them being women that keeps them out of a job, or an issue of qualification.

2) Family leave, is this a good thing? Women demand it (and they should receive it) but wouldn't this effect their performance as an executive?


That is all.

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Comment #218302 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 7:22 am

Popestig,





Thanks for remingding me of this. This was in the news a while ago. And the good ol' US of A is going to fix it (I hope). Thanks again for pointing this out.


My point from the get go was that there ARE problems in the US, the pale in comparison to what goes on around the world.


I also subtely (or not so) made the point that the so-called feminists (and their acolytes and lick spits) here are ignorant to actual facts. They just assume there is bias and oppression without knowing if it is true. This is an affront to rationalism in my mind. *EDIT* I also showed that there is a large degree of feminist propaganda, largely surrounding domestic abuse (which as you can see is often perpetrated by women).


So the issue in the US workforce centers around the private sphere. In government work there are strict laws and promotion is less to do with gender. In the private sector the issue is that employers have discretion when it comes to promotion.

And there is always the unthinkable, which no one wants to talk about.... the potential that most women are not well equipped to handle an executive position at the corporate level. I don't know if this is true or not, the women I work with are highly competent (one even above and beyond the men), but I do know it isn't something feminists will discuss.

The a priori is that women are equally qualified and deserve equal opportunity and pay. But what happens if they aren't all equally qualified.

Don't worry, I know plenty of men that aren't well qualified and get promoted, so I know there is a an "ol' boys club".

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Comment #218291 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 6:56 am

Bonzai,




Feminists would have you believe that women are almost exclusively the victims of domestic violence.

Actually, in a quick search online I have found several studies that show severe domestic assaults are almost twice as likely to be committed by women.

Women account for 55% of parents who murder their children... (where are the child activists on this one?)

Women account for 40% of spousal murders (meaning the killer is the wife 40% of the time). Amongst African Americans, the wife is just about equally likely to kill the husband as vice versa.


And as for your "common knowledge argument". Doesn't it stand to reason that men are less likely to report domestic violence against them? For a number of obvious reasons.

You can check wikipedia for some more information:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_violence_statistics#United_States


As you can see women are just as likely to engage in domestic violence as men. Men are less likely to report domestic violence.

New research published in the Journal of Family Psychology says that contrary to media and public opinion women commit more acts of violence than men in eleven categories: throw something, push, grab, shove, slap, kick, bite, hit or threaten a partner with a knife or gun. The study, which is based on interviews with 1,615 married or cohabiting couples and extrapolated nationally using census data, found that 21 percent of couples reported domestic violence.

(Excerpt from Wikipedia).

It seems the rise of feminism coincides with a rise in women abusing men in domestic situations.



And finally anecdotally, I have witnessed domestice violence in my home. It involved my mother hitting my father, and him simply walking away. The man then went on to volunteer at a battered women's shelter.


So this is a modest adventure in providing evidence.

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Comment #218281 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 6:42 am

Bonzai,

C'mon now, for fuck's sake, Do I need to cite reports and Ph.D. thesis to make a point which is common knowledge?

Ohhhh it's commong knowledge? Argumentum ad common knowledge. Very cute. Yes you have to cite something to convince me.... yes.

Do you have evidence that women in Muslim countries do not enjoy the way they are treated?

Ayaan Hirsi Ali wrote a few things about this. Also Irshad Manji has contributed. I have spoken to a number of women, some in the West and some in the Muslim world that have complained of the treatment they receive(d). I could only give you initials, but not names.

You are not even arguing honestly.

Curious assertion.


Me: "I need to see some evidence to support this"
Usual Lefty: "You aren't being honest."

Not a huge shocker.

But your chance of getting the other guy convicted may differ depending on how good his lawyer is

Of course this is true. So hiring a good lawyer to defend yourself is a violation of a woman's right? If this is the case, your issue is with the Constitution and not me.

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Comment #218277 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 6:28 am

women often complain

I am sorry I had to excerpt this bit.


I am an ass. Sorry.

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Comment #218266 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 6:20 am

Bonzai,

Are you so fucking naive to think that the police are free of stereotypes and bias that they handle all cases impartially? They have a lot of discretionary power to prioritize their cases and to decide when to press charges and when not to.

Do you have any evidence to suggest this is true, or do I have to take your word for it? Would someone please show me an example where all this nasty bias against women takes place.


I have spent 2 days asking people to show me one time where all this nasty anti-woman bias takes place. And what have I received, opinion after opinion after opinion.

Opinions are like assholes....

As to court, being able to afford an expensive lawyer and having to make do with some legal aid representative makes a huge difference

What the fuck are you even talking about. Do you understand how the US Justice system works? As the accuser you don't need an attorney, the District Attorney represents the people (meaning the abused woman), the only person ending up with legal aid is the man who abused his wife or whatever.




So for fuck's sake would someone please give me something weightier than an opinion.

It just goes to show, once again, that the left in America is heavy on dogmatic ideologies about how things are and should be, and pretty light on any connection to reality.

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Comment #218255 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 6:00 am

Bonzai,

Talk is cheap.

Agreed, perhaps you could convince my opponents here to cite a study. Instead they make things up and when asked for evidence say "Oh it's only anecdotal, I will back off".


I stand ready to be corrected. I have asked multiple times to be corrected. I would be happy to be wrong.

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Comment #218250 by al-rawandi on July 25, 2008 at 5:55 am

kkelly,







So we have the admission from you that you can't back up any of your claims.

Anyway, my original objection to Al was his contempt for feminists who focus on matters at home.

We need a special education thread in addition to "alternate" comments.




hawt4dawk,



You really are starting to ramble.

If I ask a question SEVEN TIMES, then it probably isn't rhetorical. Especially when I beg people to answer me. When I beg people to prove me wrong. And guess what no one has. You are the one changing topics because you don't have shit for evidence to support your assertions. I have stayed on topic the whole time, and simultaneously noted in rude fashion that you aren't impressing me with your arguments. If you don't like that, don't debate me, or ask Josh to ban me. Those are your options.

People get their rights violated quite frequently and sometimes they have access to legal recourse -- if they can afford it and if they don't live in a place where there aren't considerable social pressures not to pursue legal recourse. If they're not too afraid they'll be killed if they pursue recourse and bruiser makes bail.

Another opinion where I get to take your word on it. How about this, get me few examples. There are 300,000,000 people in the US. I am sure you can find a few if this happens "frequently". And as for affording legal recourse? FUCKING BULL SHIT, you can call the police for free, you can testify in court for free, you can indentify your attacker for free. But apparently it takes H4D to distort things so grotesquely to make a point that has no factual basis.

Women have no rights guaranteed in the U.S. Constitution, only state rights, which vary from state to state.

More nonsense. Black men don't have rights in the Constitution, neither do Gays. But people do! Citizens have rights, and women are citizens. This comment of yours is simply so misleading as to be chalked up under "dishonest".

They have no right to the same pay nor the same benefits.

No one does, it is a free market the discretion is with the employer. This may be unjust, but you will have to show me specific instances. I smell a made up statistic.


Free market capitalism is the worst form of economics, except for all the other ones.

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Comment #217744 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Apathy,






That's the game. Give someone some notoriety and becomes all about them. Power exists to perpetuate itself.

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Comment #217736 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 3:13 pm

kkelly,








If women make less than men for the same work, that would be an injustice. So post some evidence for that. I am not here to prove negatives, I am here to tell you my impression of feminism and be proven wrong. I am more than willing to be wrong and admit it, but your word probably isn't going to do it for me.


So please post some relevant evidence.

And finally, I don't give two shits about what you think of me. I really could care less what people here have to say about me, least of them you. There are people who I ask for impressions of me personally, but they generally know me. And you don't know me.

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Comment #217715 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 2:52 pm

hawt4dawk,






What ever are you talking about. I asked YOU and kkelly to tell me when in the last year a woman has had her rights violated. I asked you to name ONE time when this has happened. Which implied that a woman had her rights violated without recourse to the law.


You simply ignored me and started telling me that women get beat by their husbands.


Care to try again? There is no point in me getting statistics about violence in the Muslim world because you concede the point. The only remaining issue is to show me that anything at all happens like that here without recourse to the law. So I will ask you for about the 7th time to do so.


Thanks, I look forward to your reply. And yes I am contemptuous of people who defend media stunt artists.


EDIT: Your points weren't valid because they were non-sequiter. I am worried about rights violations without any redress.

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Comment #217705 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 2:45 pm

Apathy,




Just like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton they are going for headlines.


It is hard to respect that.

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Comment #217693 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 2:35 pm

hawt4dawk,




I'm a bully? How so? Because I am firm and quite biting in my demand for rationalism and statistics.


You said a lot of women are beaten. As my father (a psychologist) spent one year as a volunteer at a battered women's shelter, I happen to have some horror stories. What you failed to mention is that men are prosecuted for beating their wives or killing them.

I was, from the outset, talking about places where these things are legal, or unpunished. Feminists will not stop domestic violence, they can help spread the notion that this should be punished. When I speak negatively of feminists that worry about the wrong things I mean specifically THOSE feminists.


So I see how you operate, I am the bad guy because I criticize the much lauded feminists while the guy talking about pro-lapsed rectums and citing all of zero instances where a woman's right has been violated in the last year in the United States is the good guy. I can see where you fall on the rationalism scale.... heavy on emotion, light on rationalism.




I am still waiting, when has a woman had her rights violated in the last year. Fuck it, the last 5 years. Anyone? Class? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?


But don't worry I am just a bully.

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Comment #217530 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm

hawt4dawk,




Good statistics. These men are prosecuted for their crimes if sufficient evidence exists. What would the feminists do, make it MORE illegal? The law is equitable in the US.

Gang rapes in the Pakistani Punjab go unpunished and are considered acceptable.

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Comment #217522 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm

kkelly,






That is to prevent strippers from being molested.


Assuming you didn't just make that shit up.



So try again fuck wit.

You know what? I am just going to assume you are full of shit and don't know what you are talking about, and can't come up with any evidence.

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Comment #217505 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:53 am

TWP,






Rkelly sings "Your body.... is my port-o-potty"






kkelly,




Answer my question.

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Comment #217496 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:48 am

Rkelly,





Answer my question.

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Comment #217489 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:43 am

kkelly,





You dodged my question you weasel:



I asked:



"What female rights violations do you see in the last year in the United States?"



Answer the question.

1224. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217467 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:26 am

O'Brien,






Dr. Zakir Naik has refuted every Christian claim in the bible.


Look up his debate with Dr. Campbell.


You can thank Joe Morreale for the information.



Toodles.

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Comment #217463 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:23 am

TWP,





Maybe I should post a shirtless picture as my avatar.... He could prolapse his own rectum.


Why are you giving us the bird in your avatar? Are you always so classy?

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Comment #217460 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:22 am

kkelly,





What female rights violations do you see in the last year in the United States?


I will put together a list of overseas violations if you want.



kthxbai.

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Comment #217452 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:11 am

LeeLeeOne,





Ahhhh 12, I remember it well. When my mom insisted that we clean out my old Sports Illustrateds.... and despite my running and flailing she discovered my porn mag hidden in the stack.

The good ol' days.

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Comment #217451 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 11:09 am

Quetz,




That is what they SAY they are doing, one golf course at a time.





kkelly,



I do meet with my congresswoman from time to time. I last met with her (along with several others) on the Palestine issue. It was productive, it was an issue of human rights (as Palestinian women are forced to give birth at checkpoints, a gross violation).


Okay forget the termites. Your house is on fire and you are worried because the air pressure in your tires is low. Is that better... fucking pednatry squared with you huh?

And I agree, men should be just as involved with these issues. But right now I am busy trying to get access to the women's locker room (steam room) at my gym. I am tired of the discrimination.

1229. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217441 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 10:57 am

LeeLeeOne,

(too much anal, right?)

That alllll depends....



:-)

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Comment #217426 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 10:41 am

TWP,







It is almost hard to believe that kkelly was talking about San Diegans putting cleaning solution in their asses and prolapsing their rectums.


My how he has grown.

:-/

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Comment #217424 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 10:38 am

kkelly,





Well, you must be new to democracy, but allow me to run your web based tutorial. You lobby your elected representatives to pressure the UN for action in the Congo, or pressure them to send US forces there, or cut aid. Hundreds of thousands of women are raped every year in the Congo. Part of the problem is that the average American (Liberal or Conservative) is a fucking moron who cannot find Africa on a map, so the odds of getting action out of them is slim to none.

It is funny that these feminists are quite perturbed by mens clubs but all black colleges are just peachy. Discrimination based on what gender or race you were born is wrong. That should be stopped, now if I were going to pick all male golf clubs, or ethnic cleansing in Southern Sudan, I would probably choose Sudan, and yes the US could be pressured by its own population to play a bigger role. But as I spoke to a woman at a bar the other day, she told me all about how women need to do this and that, and I asked her were Darfur was and she said "Iraq".

There is your problem. Fucktardary.

We're supposed to just ignore all problems until the biggest ones are solved?

*face palm* No that isn't what I said, now was it (F for reading comprehension). What I said was that priorities should be weighted. If my house is on fire I don't think I would be too worried about my termite problem. But maybe you would.


Peace,


You are in fact correct. Working close to home can be a good thing, and I don't object to feminists breaking down barriers at all, I hope that isn't what it souded like, I just meant prioritize.

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Comment #217404 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 10:15 am

kkelly,





Don't let not reading posts stop you from making inane comments...


If you read a few posts before you will see where I applaud feminists for their efforts on certain issues. I didn't say feminists were idiots, nor did I say "all" anything.


As for comment #215, yes, you are missing something. It is everyone's concern if terrible things happen to women in Muslim countries, but people who profess concern for women above all else should be first in line, no?

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Comment #217400 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 10:12 am

Aberdeen,




You are a dumbass. Reasons:



1) Right triangles are subject to the Pythagorean theorem.

2) Things do come into existence on their own. Quantum Fluctuation.

3) Dawkins didn't say there was no God(s). He said, that in light of demostrable proof, currently held gods cannot be existant as described.

4) Your logic sucks. "Things need a creator" you say, okay then God needs a creator. Only a buffoon would postulate something as stupid as that and expect it to stick.



Perhaps the better conclusion would have been "If you are a completely idiot don't take shots at people with Oxford degrees, because you will look like an ass."

QED.

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Comment #217382 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 9:59 am

TWP,




Well like I said these feminists are also cowering liberals. Meaning, they don't really talk about the rampant misogynism in the African American culture (rap, etc...). They steer well clear of this and Islam. But when it comes to golf courses they are on the ball. Because most women want to play golf at Augusta while none want to avoid gang rape in the Congo [super-sarcastic btw].


Here is the simple formula:


Humans have rights. Women are humans. Therefore women have rights by the fact that they are human. Any denial of said rights is anti-humanist.

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Comment #217379 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 9:53 am

Steve,





http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7520149.stm



Richard Morgan had better become a Muslim. Here is undeniable evidence that Allah is God, Muhammad his prophet, and Islam his religion.



Richard CONVERT NOW!

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Comment #217362 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 9:17 am

Mitchell,




I am also sure these space aliens love Jesus and hate gays.


Remember the Jewzians from Southpark?

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Comment #217347 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 8:42 am

hawt4dawk,






As I led the anti-feminist charge, allow me to comment.

I am not a feminist, I am a humanist. Where women are treated poorly I object. The issue is of priorities, for me the priorities would be the end of female genital mutilation, the end of rape as a military strategy in the Congo, an end to Muslim misogynism, and then somewhere about 1,000 slots lower women being able to play Augusta National. Now reverse that list and you can see what American feminists are doing.

I have always insisted that women posters on this site be evaluated and responded to based on the content of the post. Paula Kirby, Anna, and White Pearl have all been treated poorly by male posters, who began commenting on their avatar photos and not the substance of their posts. This perturbs me, as I think American society is failing women. It expects them to look pretty and snag a husband, and I cannot stand these types. American feminists have addressed this and I applaud them. But Fanusi is quite right... the problem with feminists now is that they are usually liberals, and in America that means 'spineless' when it comes to Islam. They will spend their time telling us Islam is a religion of peace, and ignore institutionalized gang rape in the Pakistani Punjab. And ignore the Muslim abduction and forced marriage of Christians in Pakistan, and ignore the plight of women in any other Muslim nation.

It is truly gutless, and as someone who genuinely believes women should be treated with decency and respect I cannot hold my tongue when this hypocrites get on their soap boxes.

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Comment #217340 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 8:27 am

Steve,





I heard about the Welsh UFO.


Was it really the moon? I heard the thing was moving and darting around... but I am not sure.



irate,


The absolute solipsism of religion is what is most striking.

The Qur'an, although making little in the way of racial remarks, did say the Arabs were "the best of people". A remark not supported by history and certainly not true today. Not to mention this book of Richard's goes to great length to micro manage human lives, as far as to say how long their hair could be and whether they could work on Saturday. Leaving aside the fact that this god apparently enjoyed the smell of burning oxen (on an altar to him of course).

It is always preferable in Christian/Jewish circles to avoid the verses of the OT declaring the earth is flat. Furthermore, biblical studies is always timid when mentioning the fact that Yahweh was nothing but a tribal god of war, and not an omnipotent and all powerful god that he later evolves into.

No, you will find it a difficult task to discuss this with a sick cultish man like Richard Morgan. The things which repel you from religion, are peripheral, his need is psychological, yours is rational. How can he discuss these rational things with you? He only needs them to be non-issues. Flat earth, so what... God loves me.

Its pathological. That is the impasse, you are a rational brute, he is a man wound up in emotion. You are playing golf, he is playing basketball.

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Comment #217320 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 7:41 am

hawt4dawk,






You missed the point. Dinah took a comment about male Muslim converts, and used it to begin a raving generalization about how all men are. It was ridiculous. And due to rampant feminism we don't have an equivalent word to misogynism to refer to this form of anti-male hate. It was way off base. And what gave it away was the absolutely ridiculous notion that women get burned and then become "artists".

It was an insane rant of a woman who has genuine venom for men.


My comment (which was reposted here by someone else) was in reference to one person who (Joe) was making disparaging remarks about white pearl (like "close your legs and wash the dishes"). I noted that many Muslim male converts have issues with women (either mother or significant other). Dinah took this as a launching pad to malign all men as awful creatures who cannot handle difficulty in a civil way. And then to make the equally absurd claim that women all do so just wonderfully and paint masterpieces and the like.


It was a non-sequiter, bigoted rant. It desrved to be slammed.

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Comment #217308 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 7:16 am

Steve,



Here is one of the "religious" experiences you were talking about.




http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/rnr/767792061.html

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Comment #217296 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 6:52 am

Quetz,






Here is my pictoral rendition of the epiphany:



8========D O-:)


Hehe.

1242. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217287 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 6:26 am

epeeist,








His religious conversions reminds me of a family friend.

This guy had a son, the son was an overindulged misguided hippie type. He wanted to be a Buddhist monk, then a holistic healer, then something else. Everytime he started a new life path he was very excited and convinced this was it, the beginning of his great new life. His father never got excited because he realized it was one more bull shit endeavor that would end up costing him money.

Everyone else sees it for what it is.

1243. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217286 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 6:23 am

esuther,






Richard M. realized that God love him FIRST. and it all became clear.


You should read the conversion story it is a hoot.




Tyler,



Fuck off.



Decius,



That's a good start. He doesn't really answer my posts to him. I scolded him once for being a disgusting old pervert to some of the women posters, I think he was a little ashamed. And I am an absolute dick to him, which such arrogance deserves.


Reverend,




That is the argument:

"If you had the exact same experience as me, you would realize I am right and only I am right."

Compare to my estimation of religious revelation:

"I found it! But now my finger stinks."

1244. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217281 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 6:08 am

decius,





If you get more aggressive and vulgar he will leave you alone. I never get PM's from deluded clowns, must be the abrasive posting.

1245. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #217275 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 6:00 am

Brian English,





Speaking of which....

A great story of Islam and Arabic. There was an effeminate group of boys in the early period known as "The Dancing Boys of Medina".

The Caliph sought to have a census taken, and he wrote to his officials ordering them to take a census of the land and to makes sure they "censused" these dancing boys. The problem is the word the Caliph wanted was Ikhsu but he left off the diacritical point and wrote Ihsu, which means "to castrate". So the officials received the letter.... and although confused carried out the order and castrated the dancing boys of Medina.


And yes, the notion that sperm comes from the spine is a pre-Islamic Arab notion. Apparently Allah did feel it necessary to update the theory with correct information.

1246. Richard Dawkins slaps creationists into the primordial soup

Comment #217269 by al-rawandi on July 24, 2008 at 5:53 am

Reverend Dark,

Good Luck Richard Morgan, I am sure your latest dabbling with imaginary friends and self-delusion will be every bit as successful as your previous ones. Religion, like re-marriage can be described as the triumph of hope over experience.

That was pretty funny. A good laugh at 5:50 in the am.


Did you see this little gem?

I regret that many atheists comment with great assurance about the "fuzzy" or "good" feeling that accompanies the experience of God. Clearly they are choosing to ignore the dramatically life-changing, world-view threatening nature of being touched by the love of God. Even atheists should stick to talking about what they know about!

Obviously you need an imaginary friend in order to discuss imaginary friends. I guess a psychologist needs to hear voices to counsel a crazy-man.

My only question is where exactly did God touch him? Hungarianelephant is a lawyer, and I smell a huge lawsuit brewing. Jesus certainly can't go around touching people, can he?

1247. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #216887 by al-rawandi on July 23, 2008 at 3:47 pm

David. J




You are the only one who cannot multi-task.


Computer based jobs make it easy to do both!

1248. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #216872 by al-rawandi on July 23, 2008 at 3:14 pm

kaiserkriss,






I am speaking of majorities here. I know plenty of normal people that converted, but the majority had some serious issues.

1249. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #216871 by al-rawandi on July 23, 2008 at 3:11 pm

Hellene,





I am slowly becoming convinced that Joe is really a Jewish settler from Hebron named Baruch attempting to discredit Islam. And he is doing a bang up job.

1250. [UPDATED] Venomous Snakes, Slippery Eels and Harun Yahya

Comment #216853 by al-rawandi on July 23, 2008 at 2:55 pm

Joe,

YOU REMAIN A LIAR

Where have I lied? Show me where I have lied. If you can't then that makes you a liar. Do you see how that works?


The only liar is Dr. Naik, and I only say this because I have proven it, and given you several ways to check that proof and verify it for yourself. But, as usual, you simply aren't smart enough.


You are proof that lobotomy patients should not get internet access.