1201. The Bright Revolution

Comment #19119 by Logicel on January 25, 2007 at 4:03 am

My understanding is that Brights refer to the 'brightness' or light of reason which conquers the darkness of irrationality, not necessarily pointing to superior intelligence. People of average intelligence are more than capable of being 'bright' in this regard.

However, the term is being taken in the latter sense, meaning superior intelligence. So it does not matter what the original intention was because it is being misunderstood.

BUT, after wrangling with and being exposed to the inanity presented by supporters of religious superstitions in the last several months, I now delight in regarding myself as BRIGHT whether or not the term is understood correctly.

For the non-theists--which was my former favorite--who balk at this appellation, just spend more time closely with supporters of religious superstitions, and you too, will be compelled to go to the highest point in your neigbhorhood and scream at the top of your lungs, "I AM BRIGHT."

I will at this time not actually join the Bright organization because though I am fed up with religious nonsense enough to regard myself proudly as BRIGHT I am still adverse to joining clubs of any kind. In using this term bright to describe myself, I will always qualify it, emphasizing that bright means the LIGHT OF REASON.

1202. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18913 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:37 pm

NormanDoering, lovely, smart Skatje does not count as she still has one more year to go before the wimpering weakness of seventeen-year-oldness brutally descends upon her reducing her to a pathetic jelly of helplessness.

1203. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18908 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:16 pm

In addition, saying that a cousin died like a man was also stupid--did my sister who died from breast cancer somehow died without dignity because she happened to be a female?

1204. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18905 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:06 pm

That derogatory reference to the apparently innate and pathetic weaknesses of 17 year-old-females was disgusting. That comment also shows literary bankruptcy--from all the possible similes/metaphors available that one was chosen?

1205. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18902 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 2:44 pm

Excellent, intellectually rigorous and totally stimulating response from Harris.

I can see why some posters here were dismayed with Harris' statements on torture and 'spiritually' because his ability to hold onto the core of the real debate is so admirable and needed, we don't want that ability to get sidetracked by criticism regarding Harris' more dubious opinions.

1206. Activation Of Brain Region Predicts Altruism

Comment #18868 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 10:12 am

Linda, Mother T always horrified me, decades ago. I will read Hitchen's essay, thanks.

1207. Activation Of Brain Region Predicts Altruism

Comment #18864 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 9:43 am

"The scientists suggest that studying the brain systems that allow people to see the world as a series of meaningful interactions may ultimately help further understanding of disorders, such as autism or antisocial behavior, that are characterized by deficits in interpersonal interactions."

and

"...adding that such information may help determine how the tendencies toward altruism are established."
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Fascinating and encouraging.

1208. Do You Believe in Magic?

Comment #18832 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 5:27 am

"Reality is the most potent check on runaway magical thoughts, and in the vast majority of people it prevents the beliefs from becoming anything more than comforting — and disposable — private rituals. When something important is at stake, a test or a performance or a relationship, people don't simply perform their private rituals: they prepare. And if their rituals start getting in the way, they adapt quickly."
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Fascinating article. Religion is magical thinking run amok?

1209. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18829 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 5:02 am

Andrew is cleaving to an ideal of love so completely that he can dissolve all the contradictions involved in his religion. For him, faith is less important than this need for absolute, perfect, enduring, neverchanging, always present love. The guy is a love junkie.

1210. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18828 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 4:52 am

If one has to be imbued with the love of Jesus in order to do what is the bottom line for humanity--to respect, aid, comfort, stimulate, encourage, etc. others, than something is very wrong with these people and we are not focusing on what needs to be done to teach the young that what the religious preach is the BOTTOM LINE and nothing special.

1211. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18826 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 4:48 am

"They are stories about and by a man who preached the love of the force behind the entire universe, and the need to reflect that love in everything we do."
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In recent years, I have finally concluded that LOVE is highly over-rated. I do not love everybody nor do I want to love everybody nor do I think it is necessary for prosperity, fairness, and human rights.

That aspect of cleaving to Jesus because he is the force of love is totally repellant to me and not attractive, and yet Christians bitten with the Jesus meme keep on trying to sell me something I do not want or need.

1212. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18822 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 4:38 am

I have not read the latest from Andrew because I saw his ending of his response with God Bless. Speaking of being dense, geesh, Andrew, writing The sun is green would have at least--even though it would have been as inappropriate as God Bless--been more interesting. God is MEANINGLESS to atheists, you got that, Andrew?

1213. Intelligent design to feature in school RE lessons

Comment #18808 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:57 am

Jose wrote: "For this to work you need competent teachers..."
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And how do competent teachers happen? They happen because as students they had competent teachers. Can a top down decision like shaping coursework by edict, as this inclusion of religion and atheism in religion classes break the vicious circle of cruddy teaching or is something else needed?

1214. 12 Year Old Girl Prodigy Paints Pictures of God

Comment #18803 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:39 am

If this is a fraud, then this child is being abused. And if this is not a fraud, then she is having one heck of a heyday having many adults recognize her imaginary friend as being worthy of recognition which is also child abuse. She seems to be developing a great gift for meddling--wanting to have others embrace her own private and personal visions by emphasizing just how wonderful her personal and private visions are and how they would be wonderful for others as if she knows best based on her own visions. Yuck!!!

1215. 12 Year Old Girl Prodigy Paints Pictures of God

Comment #18800 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:33 am

Of course, there is a possibility that her painting ability is false and this whole story is one of fraud. Child artists of great ability are rare.

1216. 12 Year Old Girl Prodigy Paints Pictures of God

Comment #18794 by Logicel on January 23, 2007 at 3:18 am

Duff wrote: "I dare say she is a plagiarist of the first magnitude. A genius? Well, maybe as a copyist. Which is a skill of its own."
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That is my opinion also. I am an 'artist' in the sense that I can copy existing masterpieces extremely well. I do not see any originality in the paintings in the vid. But keeping a running image factory in her mind from which she can make copies of is an astounding ability.

One particular artist friend of mine who paints from her mental images creates astonishingly natural landscapes--my hunch is that as an artist she has the ability to grasp ideal proportions easily and than she crafts those onto the images that arise in her mind, and those images themselves are influenced by actual, real landscapes. In this very able girl painter's case, I would suspect that even just one glance at that mormon's painter's work would be enough to set this bout of creativity in place.

As an appreciator of art, none of the paintings in the vid interested me, they seemed glib and glittery for my tastes, and forget about the content which was a real turnoff.

1217. Zeus devotees worship in Athens

Comment #18533 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 3:50 pm

"The president of the Association of Greek Clergymen, Father Efstathios Kollas, has described the followers of the Olympic gods as a handful of miserable resuscitators of a degenerate dead religion who wish to return to the monstrous dark delusions of the past."
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And you, Father Kollas are part of a group of miserable Christians who perpetrate, sustain, and cling to centuries-old dark delusions.

1218. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18467 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 4:47 am

roach paraphased, "...but I believed in God and Jesus so when I die I go to Heaven. Great. But knowing that millions (billions?) of people are being punished and tortured for eternity in the fires of hell and knowing that there is absolutely nothing I could do to help them wouldn't be Heaven. To me, that would be Hell."
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Xians 'think' they got that aspect covered. They have tried in their friendly, concerned, and helpingly meddling way to ensure that each and every one of god's subjects had an equal chance to escape hell. Since the loyal followers of religious superstitions are just human, that is an impossible task, so they are bound to fail. So not only will they have to endure the torture during their earthly lives trying to grapple with the contrary tenets of their religious superstitions and have to endure being intimately close with a vicious god for all eternity if they managed to succeed to satisfy this atrocious god, they will also have to endure knowing that fellow humans are roasting in hell for all eternity at the same time. Certainly not an enviable position to be in.

1219. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18465 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 4:35 am

BaronOchs wrote, "I think the more grown up of us have realised if there is a hell we'll go there anyway rather than make smalltalk to Abraham for eternity"

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Not only are Christians tortured by the constant fear that their grappling with the contorted and contradictory tenets of their superstitious belief system may not succeed, they will for all their bother and pain--if they managed to do what they are supposed to do--will get for eternity the very thing they tried so hard to avoid, and that is torture, the torture of being with their god for all eternity--a contrary and viciously whimsical creature.

1220. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18455 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 2:05 am

As I said, Xians seem to carry a 'meddling' gene--they are so interested in what people sexually do in privacy, so interested in your welfare according to their belief system which is not grounded whatsoever on evidential proof that they will come to your door and be a complete nuisance, in their helping way of course, and they will feed and clothe you if needed as long as you admit to something that does not exist, a soul, so they in their meddling way can 'save' this non-existent thing--a soul.

What a shame that these helpful people are doing the opposite of what they think they are doing--they are hindering the advancement of humanity by clinging to superstitions.

1221. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18454 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 1:59 am

Xnity not only tortures people as they did with my wonderful mother with drumming in eternal damnation every chance those supporters of religious superstitions have, Xnity gives no clear way to avoid the damnation because there are so many interpretations from the various Xian sects and so many interpretations of the interpretations that clarity is non-existent in Xnity.

1222. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18453 by Logicel on January 21, 2007 at 1:45 am

Since Kwirth is regaling us with re-iterated comments, I shall do so also regarding that 'informing' people is ok if you got a 'good' reason as long as you GIVE THEM A CLEAR WAY to avoid the terrible event you BELIEVE is waiting for them:

19. Comment #13039 by Logicel on December 15, 2006 at 6:25 am
Kwirth said, "If you knew the Black Plague was killing people just 10 miles down the road, would you take the time to explain to everyone you met what this disease does, no matter how awful it was, if doing so would cause many to flee and thus save their lives? In fact, wouldn't you make SURE everyone understood what the consequences of staying put would be before you told them about the quickest and surest road to safety?"
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The important word here is 'surest'. Many of the above testimonials on this thread emphasized that their mental and emotional torture was because they could never be SURE what they had to do to escape Hell.

I remember my mother saying to me when I was around 12, that her parish prient advised her to read the Bible to help her deal with a serious problem she was having with my father. She told me that the biblical passages that he recommended made no sense, and was not applicable to her particular problem, and that they actually appeared immoral to her. And she had no intention of following the suggestion. So of course she had to worry that she would wind up in hell.


This insightful and generous post by NoLongerHaveBelief on another discussion thread here echos my point very well:

"I remember as a kid, reading that Gideon Bible claptrap I was given from school. At the front, it had passages to turn to, when in times of trouble/ anger/ loneliness etc., Try and understand it! PURE contradictory and confusing text. The Bible makes as much sense to myself as does a chocolate teapot! Infact, a chocolate teapot would be MORE use than the Bible. Certainly would be entertaining... :-)"

1223. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18418 by Logicel on January 20, 2007 at 5:16 pm

"They were all leaning up at the counter, with their backs to us, trying to decide which ice cream they should choose. Being the outgoing person that I am, I spoke up and recommended a flavor to one of them."
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Christians must have a meddling gene albeit a very friendly one of course. They not only apparently know what is the best ice cream flavor for anyone to savour but also the best god among the many on offer with which to blindly stuff yourself.

1224. Religion's Real Child Abuse

Comment #18402 by Logicel on January 20, 2007 at 3:33 pm

Kwirth, all your objections have been covered by Dawkins and many posters at this site. If you seriously want to follow your line of 'reasoning' then research this site and read The God Delusion.

If not, then continue to believe in your superstitions. But non-thesists will continue to challenge your nonsense at every available chance and work as hard as they can to keep religious superstitions out of the public sphere.

1225. Mr. Deity

Comment #18371 by Logicel on January 20, 2007 at 6:18 am

melisande, Thanks for the link.

I was logged onto my youtube account when I tried to rate and post! Another poster here, Jared also has been unable to rate/comment consistently at youtube--sometimes we can, sometimes we can't.

1226. Sex and the Single-Minded

Comment #18364 by Logicel on January 20, 2007 at 4:46 am

"...he postulates that oxytocin cannot survive too much sex, at least with multiple partners, at least prior to marriage."
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Christians use 'science'--twisting science would be a more accurate term--when it suits the furthering of their beliefs and discard it when it does not.

Since more sex will have gone on between the Christian couple with kid number 5 than kid number 4, does that then mean the mother will bond less to kid number 5?

This disgusting example of a Christian extremist being appointed by Bush to head a contraception program is one of the many reasons why non-theists can no longer lamely tolerate Christian meddling, intolerance, and twisting science to support their religious superstitions.

1227. Mr. Deity

Comment #18347 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 11:54 pm

Episode 2 shows how canny Jesus really is--he figured out that his interview for the fully god/fully human/one third partner gig was really a setup by God for the divine version of candid camera!!!

1228. Mr. Deity

Comment #18334 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 9:24 pm

I prefer Mr. Deity to God, Inc.--much more clever writing. Yet again, Youtube did not allow me to comment or rate this series of excellent vids.

What I find interesting reading the youtube comments--youtube apparently does grant the rare favor of being allowed to actually post comments--regarding both God, Inc. and Mr. Deity vids, are that the supporters of religious superstitions like them, laugh at them, and think they are really funny and are not offended by them. Of course, there are some that are.

1229. God's Hostages

Comment #18333 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 9:16 pm

"If we ever achieve a civilization of true equity, respect, and love between the sexes, it will not be because we paid more attention to our holy books."
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Supporters of religious superstitions and their apologists are annoyed at non-theists who REALLY do read the holy books and not just cherry pick the good bits.

They are getting fed up with non-theists pointing out that their holy books are full of horrid advice. After all, many supporters of religious superstitions do not do these horrid things, so why point them out?

It is pointed out because a small number of rabid supporters are taking some of the more horrid bits to heart. It is pointed out because it is odd that cherry picking the holy books is thought necessary in order to be moral--forget about the holy books, they are superfluous to morality, the bits of morality that are in the holy books were present from the dawn of humanity and precede the holy books, inspiring the little good that were written in these holy books.

Religion, unlike Politics or ways of painting a house, has not been up for criticism. We are now just breaking this collective consensus about why religion should not be open to criticism like any other idea. How galling it must be for supporters of religious superstitions to hear that their critics are using their very own holy books in order to criticize them!

1230. Dispatches: Undercover Mosque

Comment #18214 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 2:46 am

Endowing faith in belief without real, provable evidence as being virtuous and valuable causes this insanity. And that is what all supporters of religious superstitions do, no matter how moderate their own superstitious version may be.

1231. Radical cleric sparks fury in Australia

Comment #18211 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 2:39 am

"Keysar Trad, the president of the Islamic Friendship Association, said the remarks were not helpful for Muslims in Australia."
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Yeah, Keysar Trad, you are being real helpful, by tiptoeing around the irrationality of religious superstitions under the guise of respect, of tolerating intolerance. Why don't you be really helpful and encourage rational thinking instead of this inane 'respect'?

1232. Deliver us from the god delusion that imperils our humanity

Comment #18208 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 2:32 am

"...and in our age the tendency of the US to feel a moral and cultural superiority to the rest of the world wreaks its own kind of havoc. Ultimately, to believe you are a superior human being on the basis of any kind of tribal affiliation is a luxury the world can no longer afford."
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Good stuff.

1233. Deliver us from the god delusion that imperils our humanity

Comment #18207 by Logicel on January 19, 2007 at 2:25 am

TinySaint, your blog is a hoot.

1234. 'God Is Not a Moderate'

Comment #18054 by Logicel on January 18, 2007 at 4:48 am

"In attempting to find a middle ground between religious dogmatism and intellectual honesty, it seems to me that religious moderates betray faith and reason equally."
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And because the moderates are betraying both faith and reason, just exactly what are they doing in their lives? Obviously they themselves are not flying planes into buildings or encouraging straight out others to do so, but what are they doing?

They are unwillingly aiding and abetting in what they abhor because of their own diminished ability to reason because of their clinging to the value of faith in belief. They are worst cowards than the jihadists.

Ditch the faith in religious belief, fully embrace reason, stop dancing around the fantasy of thinking believers in religious superstitutions no matter how moderate (irrationality is irrational no matter the degree) are anything but irrational and contribute to the real advancement of humanity.

1235. Beyond the Believers

Comment #17932 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 3:36 pm

jeepyjay, excellent suggestion.

1236. Readers Write: Atheist Sam Harris on Torture and Faith

Comment #17931 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 3:32 pm

"This situation (not even hypothetical) is aerial bombing's counterpart to the ticking bomb or the abducted girl." (bold face is mine)
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Fondness For Beetles, nor is Darfur hypothetical while the ticking bomb scenario still is.

Sudan is a sovereign country, and I, for one, do not propose invading it. The Sudanese government will not let as of yet any UN peacekeeping troops into their country and NGOs doing humanitarian work there are having a very difficult time accomplishing much relief. An accord needs to be worked out with the Sudanese government--as seemingly impossible, difficult and frustrating that may be for all parties involved. By focusing on that, collateral damage may not become an additional horror tacked onto an already unbearably horrible situation.

1237. Readers Write: Atheist Sam Harris on Torture and Faith

Comment #17917 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 1:51 pm

"For being intellectually honest about this very ugly truth, Harris took a ton of flack from people who are not honest about it. It's no surprise to see people attacking the guy who points out the ugly truth, rather than attacking the ugly truth itself. It's predictable. It's also annoying as hell."
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He took a ton of flack from people who are honest about that ugly fact and was disappointed in Harris for not stating clearly that since society is so adverse to torture, it should also be equally adverse to collateral damage. However, Harris chose to say that since society is already endorsing something totally horrid, why don't we endorse something that is horrid also but by which we are 'dishonestly' repelled. That kind of honesty I can do without.

1238. False piety when Christianity claims the high moral ground

Comment #17912 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 1:32 pm

toomanytribbles, what a delicious coincidence--Abbott and costello!!!!!!!!!!!!

1239. Atheist Outreach: Group Coaxes Unbelievers Into the Open

Comment #17893 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 10:34 am

I vaguely remember that a group of libertarians are trying to get a certain number of libertarians to move to New Hampshire or Vermont so their policies could carry more weight.

In like manner, Ksskidude and scotthershall could move to the same state--it could be the beginning of something big.

1240. Readers Write: Atheist Sam Harris on Torture and Faith

Comment #17889 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 10:06 am

Fondness for Beetles, I have already stated as clear as I could possibly state regarding whether or not I would torture or condone someone else to torture someone in order to save a loved one. I am repeating that post again:

24. Comment #17128 by Logicel on January 11, 2007 at 3:03 am
Would I torture someone to save a loved one of mine? No. What I would do would be to use all my energies to show how my loved one is a wonderful human--I would show videos, photos, play audio recordings, everything I had, including other people to come and talk about my loved one. This would go on non stop. Some would say that would be torture, well, in that case, it is a torture with which my loved ones and I can live.

Fondness for Beetles, would you, YOURSELF, hideously maim, disfigure, grievously torture someone? If not, then don't expect that someone else should do it for you.

1241. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #17873 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 6:16 am

Thanks, john_eg for the link to that great birdsong. WOW! If I had heard that sound when I was young, I probably would have become a naturalist. That chappie being inspired to embrace God because of that sound, probably would have embraced God for another reason if he had not heard that fantastic birdsong.

1242. Christian Shrine Needs Two Exits, Israel Says

Comment #17866 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 4:49 am

damianpeterson, perhaps there should be a fourth flag after [spam][offensive][troll]: [no sense of humor]?

1243. Photo shows the dangers of brainwashing children

Comment #17864 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 4:40 am

GPROPERTY wrote: "Is it not true that alot of you were raised in a christian household? Maybe that is the reason you fight it so much."
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Another example of why supporters of religious superstitions are their own best opponent. Then being raised as atheists would be more receptive to becoming supporters of religious superstitions? Then in that case, you supporters of religious superstitions got it wrong--don't teach your religious superstitions to your kids, because if you do they will become atheists. Teach atheism instead, then they will become supporters of religious superstitions.

1244. Photo shows the dangers of brainwashing children

Comment #17858 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 4:22 am

GPROPERTY wrote: "Your a religion. Your going to teach it to your kids and your going to try and be disciples and spread your message. Its really sad to see."
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Then supporters of religious superstititions are sad? Because that is what supporters of religious superstitions do--teach it to their kids, become disciples and spread their message.

When supporters of religious superstititions do that, it's fine, but when non-theists do it, it is terrible. Just bonkers, not only because non-theists are not doing that, but you are essentially saying that what you do as a supporter of religious superstitions is wrong. You do not need an opponent, you are your own best opponent.

1245. Readers Write: Atheist Sam Harris on Torture and Faith

Comment #17847 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 2:53 am

Fondness for Beetles wrote, "An accomplice is seen in the video, aiding in the abduction."

and

The argument, "People will say anything under torture" gets you nowhere, because an interrogator can begin torturing the accomplice and inform him that the torture will only stop when the girl is found, not simply when he says something.
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Just because the accomplice was seen aiding the abduction does not mean that he/she knows where the to-be-murdered child can be found. If the accomplice does not know where the child is, than the accomplice can be tortured to death because the accomplice is speaking the truth but the torturer has already decided that only when the suspect informs where the child is and that child is found, than the torture would be stopped.

I have only been able to withstand watching a couple episodes of the very popular American TV series, '24', because the rampant use of torture in that series sickens me, not to mention that the plotlines are predictable, hold no suspense, and the show is essentially boring. But I wonder to what extent this popular show is influencing the minds of Americans to think that the use of torture is effective and permissible in 'special' situations.

1246. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #17844 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 2:34 am

As a child, I was particularily gullible regarding my 4 older siblings--they definitely took advantage of a child's trusting mind in my case!!!

1247. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #17843 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 2:32 am

I agree with roach--being respectful of religion is a deeply engrained attitude but an attitude that is and will continue to be loudly challenged!

1248. Wash. school board restricts Gore's global-warming film

Comment #17842 by Logicel on January 17, 2007 at 2:12 am

Radix2, Thanks for that great link, and it is now duly bookmarked. Here is a bio note of the scientist that wrote the essay:

Dr. Wiens received a bachelor's degree in Physics from Wheaton College and a PhD from the University of Minnesota, doing research on meteorites and moon rocks. He spent two years at Scripps Institution of Oceanography (La Jolla, CA) where he studied isotopes of helium, neon, argon, and nitrogen in terrestrial rocks. He worked seven years in the Geological and Planetary Sciences Division at Caltech, where he continued the study of meteorites and worked for NASA on the feasibility of a space mission to return solar wind samples to Earth for study. Dr. Wiens wrote the first edition of this paper while in Pasadena. In 1997 he joined the Space and Atmospheric Sciences group at Los Alamos National Laboratory, where he has been in charge of building and flying the payload for the solar-wind mission, as well as developing new instruments for other space missions. He has published over twenty scientific research papers and has also published articles in Christian magazines. Dr. Wiens became a Christian at a young age, and has been a member of Mennonite Brethren, General Conference Baptist, and Conservative Congregational, and Vineyard denominations. He does not see a conflict between science in its ideal form (the study of God's handiwork) and the Bible, or between miracles on the one hand, and an old Earth on the other.

1249. Wash. school board restricts Gore's global-warming film

Comment #17778 by Logicel on January 16, 2007 at 9:11 am

madpatriot wrote, "Nuclear weapons don't belong in the zoo, and neither does the train. It's not an animal."
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Underpants don't belong in a hospital, neither do hair brushes. They are not medical equipment.

1250. News Quiz on bigotry

Comment #17765 by Logicel on January 16, 2007 at 1:59 am

God's child-rearing abilities exposed for the incompetent and weird approach that it was made my day!

I do miss the omnipresent and omnipotent sense of British humor since moving to France!