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101. Ancient serpent shows its leg

Comment #159560 by D'Arcy on April 12, 2008 at 2:00 pm

Perhaps in honour of ignorance this 2 legged snake should be named "Monty". No not the python, but the "full" variety. The bare nakedness of the creationists' lies is further exposed by this slithering Slytherin.

"Well what did the snakes ever do for us?"

"Apart from persuading humanity into original sin, and from then on biting us and generally making us scared, and helping provide evidence for the theory of evolution, ... not much really."

102. 'Expelled' ripped off Harvard's 'Inner Life of the Cell' animation

Comment #159153 by D'Arcy on April 11, 2008 at 1:59 pm

As I see it, a group of religious people has taken someone else's discovery and then claimed it as its own.

What's new about that? Nothing. The whole of religion is based on what goes on in the society from which the religion sprang. No religion has ever discovered anything useful to humanity, nor made any useful predictions about future lines of enquiry. Religion is forever doomed to be hanging onto the coattails of knowledge. Bring on the IDers, they actually want to discredit modern science, but only by dishonest means, because they can't succeed any other way. They won't succeed because knowledge is too important to society, but they can and do present obstacles that must be overcome.

They are hoping that their 6004 year old universe is to become the truth. As Lenin said: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". The Discovery Institute and other IDers have learnt well from Lenin.

103. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #158434 by D'Arcy on April 10, 2008 at 1:59 pm

I have watched the video, and read all the comments, so I will try not to repeat others.

Time well spent! My daughter came into the room at one point during my watching and said something like: "Oh is that Dawkins, he's quite good isn't he? No wonder you spend so much time there." My daughter is an adult.

Well done to Paula! And for Richard, I would say that it is always a pleasure to hear a scientist explain that, as far as the cosmos is concerned, "I" have no particular role to play, I'm just very lucky to be here at this moment. Bollocks to religion.

104. Pastor attacks scientist's talk

Comment #156469 by D'Arcy on April 7, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Re Wee Flea:

No, We love him with all our heart and wish to help him break the spell he is under. It's not too late, yet. We have to be strong and supportive even if we have to smash his delusions with severe ridicule.
A lifetime of conditioning and vested interests leads to one mother of a fat cold turkey. But we must never give up !
He has a brain, and intelligence dwells within. It's his evolution-granted privilige. He's been shown the Bright light, all he has to do is step over and embrace it.
There is reason. Humanity is love.


Oh! Davey boy, just give up the Ghost!

105. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #156464 by D'Arcy on April 7, 2008 at 3:34 pm

My outlook on the world is materialist. No spirits, gods or other supernatural junk needed!

If my outlook is wrong, I promise to come back in the afterlife and haunt each one of you individually.

106. Protests no concern for outspoken atheist

Comment #156440 by D'Arcy on April 7, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Mr. clearthinker Robertson (95 above ) says:

The Free Church of Scotland is not YEC. In fact we have been OEC from before Darwin!


So apparently the Free Church of Scotland believes in a 4.5 billion year old Earth, if "OEC" means old Earth creation. I'm glad to to hear that Mr. Robertson thinks that the church he represents, now believes that the currently available scientific evidence suggests an older Earth (and universe) than what the Bible said. If Mr Robertson disagrees with Bishop Ussher of Armagh's estimate of the age of the Earth, calculated by adding up the ages of the various characters that appear in the Bible. I believe Bishop Ussher's date for the beginning of the universe was October 4004 bc.

I wonder what knobs God was twiddling for the 13.7 billion years before He invented humanity. Mr. Robertson may like beautiful sunsets, as do I, but I recognise moonshine when I see it!

107. Pastor attacks scientist's talk

Comment #155769 by D'Arcy on April 5, 2008 at 4:56 pm

"Pastor attacks scientist's talk", a la Robertson, is because science has undermined pastors' viewpoint with every advance.

I mean, (thanks for the link to Robertson & You Tube), since when did a beautiful sunset provide any kind of proof or evidence of a creator?) There are scientific explanations for things like sunsets and love that fit with the observed reality far better than "Jesus is the Saviour". Even if science doesn't yet have an explanation for observation. e.g. dark matter and dark energy, it doesn't mean that therefore Big G is sitting on His throne, pulling the strings to create beautiful sunsets, whilst something like 2 billion people (of his creation) live on less than $2.00 a day, and 29,000 children a day, die of poverty related issues.
http://www.globalissues.org/TradeRelated/Poverty.asp

Hardly the kindly father, more the kind of God that turns the other cheek to ignore humanity.

108. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #155751 by D'Arcy on April 5, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Pyotr Kuznetsov, like so many would be religious leaders, made a bad mistake, in making a specific prediction. This particular prediction was about the date of the end of the world. Well old or new calendars, the guy was wrong.

From my anti-religion point of view, I will make a specific prediction about the end of the Earth. The Earth will end in about 5 billion years time, when our local yellow star, the sun, having "burnt" most of its fuel, turns into a red giant star whose atmosphere will reach at least to the Earth's orbit and further. Unless the pertubances in the solar system force the Earth into a more distant orbit, then the Earth will be swallowed up by the sun.

Hitting yourself with a log, or hiding in a cave will not prevent this process.

Humanity will almost certainly not be around to witness the process, but I could be wrong.

109. Protests no concern for outspoken atheist

Comment #155747 by D'Arcy on April 5, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Dr Benway says (40 above):

The protesters didn't get the memo. The "creationist vs. evolutionist" debate is over. That gap for God has closed. Give it up. Move on.


I wish the good doctor was right, but it seems that Ken Ham and his dollars are still wielding some influence on this side of the pool, judging by today's Guardian.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2008/apr/05/evolution.controversiesinscience

110. My quest to get de-baptised

Comment #154089 by D'Arcy on April 2, 2008 at 3:10 pm

I think Davybuoy has captured a large element of the social appeal of religion here:

I have to admit I allowed my daughter to be baptised, but as I am going to influence her far more than a priest I considered it simply to be an excuse for a party. As most of my Irish in-laws do!


I don't agree with the often spouted view that religion is a "private matter". Religion is about as "public" as anything can be. In the hands of powerful people, religion can be and is used as an agent of social control. Where would the Saudi royal family be without Islam? Probably hanging from the gates of their various palaces.

111. Vatican: Islam surpasses Roman Catholicism as world's largest religion

Comment #154080 by D'Arcy on April 2, 2008 at 2:28 pm

secondsoprano asks:

OT: who is the Frum you are waiting for?


Well theologically it could be argued that John Frum is the one true messiah whose reappearance we eagerly await, when he decides to apparate from under his volcano. From the more materialist point of view John Frum and the cargo cults are described in a section of TGD, as a newly founded and documented religion. Try the link or google "John Frum".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

112. Supreme Court to consider Ten Commandments vs. 'Seven Aphorisms'

Comment #153785 by D'Arcy on April 2, 2008 at 4:43 am

This discussion reminds me of the signs you sometimes see in pubs:

"In God We Trust

All others pay cash!"

113. My quest to get de-baptised

Comment #152821 by D'Arcy on March 31, 2008 at 3:30 pm

Baptism?

The bastards never got my name on their list, but it is there for the rest of you to see.

114. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #152809 by D'Arcy on March 31, 2008 at 3:04 pm

"The invasion of Iraq was supposedly because of WMD, but I suspect it was because of OIL. "

D'Arcy,

Still using this age-old argument?


Yes indeed. Being "age-old" neither makes it true nor false. However the invasion was in Iraq and not Pakistan, which has/had far greater WMD.

the fact that we need to guarantee our reserves for the future.


Yes, Falcon! That is exactly my point! War is never waged for ideologies or religion. It is fought for real advantage of some kind, whether it be raw materials such as oil, trade route or political influence. War is very expensive and a last resort. The excuses for war are cheap and plentiful.

By the way "our reserves", don't belong to you and me, they belong to our rulers, who are constantly at loggerheads with each other around the world.

115. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #152780 by D'Arcy on March 31, 2008 at 2:34 pm

If I could join in here. I watched the film, and my avatar makes me a prime target for beheading.

I just find it too much of a co-incidence that just as the world's oil production appears to be peaking, that the religion from the world's largest oil exporter, Saudi Arabia, appears to be exerting its influence in the oil importing countries, i.e. the western "democracies".

The invasion of Iraq was supposedly because of WMD, but I suspect it was because of OIL.

116. Beware the Believers

Comment #152249 by D'Arcy on March 30, 2008 at 2:36 pm

Not being a specialist in anything in particular, I did find the clip very funny. If a creationist made this then he/she/it failed to make the point about the 6004 years old Earth.

C'mon you intellectuals, loosen up. After all, as Richard has said on this thread: "What did the Romans ever do for us?" Yes I know it was from Monty Python, but are some posters really wanting a theological argument about whether Hamlet was really going to kill the king in the chapel?

Art that is definitely religious, e.g. Bach's Cantatas, or other church music such as B minor Mass, can be and certainly are celebrated by non believers such as myself, because the message they put forward is essentially human! Bach was a man!

This clip was certainly not pro-religion or pro-creationism. I have added it to my favourites!

117. In His Name We Pray, Ramen

Comment #151842 by D'Arcy on March 29, 2008 at 2:46 pm

These Pastafarians must learn of the true God, John Frum. No noodly appendages required just some G.I.s and a South Paciffic island (plus volcano).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Frum

118. Iowa county board gives initial OK for ghost hunters to investigate asylum

Comment #151801 by D'Arcy on March 29, 2008 at 12:33 pm

We need a proper expert here. Send for Phil Spectre!

119. In His Name We Pray, Ramen

Comment #151795 by D'Arcy on March 29, 2008 at 12:10 pm

Don't these heretic FSM people realise that John Frum is the real God? I mean, what are the FSM people going to do? Will they send in Long John Silver, Capt. Flint on shoulder and wack the Kansas School Board with his crutches?

Nay! Far better to wait for John Frum to re-appear from under his (different) volcano, and go to Kansas and remove all ice cream parlours, hamburger and Coca-Cola joints. This way John Frum will starve them into sense!

120. I always aim to misbehave

Comment #151787 by D'Arcy on March 29, 2008 at 11:39 am

Lenin said: "A lie told often enough becomes the truth". In this case, Mathis , Stein etc. are hoping that the Christian friendly US media will tell the lies on their behalf, and that their version "becomes the truth".

Whether or not PZ was invited, misbehaved, or is indeed lying himself, pales into insignificance with the lies that these mainly Christian creationists are stating as God given truths; i.e. that the universe and the Earth is 6004 years old, Adam and Eve were the first humans and so on.

The movie apparently suggests that creationist scientists are being expelled from their labs because of their religious beliefs. I suspect the truth is more like creationists are being expelled from their labs because they can't or won't do the science. Dishonest bastards!

121. Iowa county board gives initial OK for ghost hunters to investigate asylum

Comment #151389 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Maybe staring at corn for too long has some strange affect on people's mind.


Nice one mcain! This effect could also explain why the Scots around Loch Ness are reputed to have seen monsters, or guys in the hills seen Bigfoots or Yetis.

Hell this could be the start of a whole insane tourist industry. The non-Discovery Institute might be persuaded to provide funds for the hype!

122. Expelled from Expelled: PZ story goes global

Comment #151366 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 2:55 pm

I just don't think that me writing "Expelled is a bad film. It WILL fail" here is going to help at all.


But Steve, if you didn't write it, no-one would know what you thought. If that happened then Rowan Williams would have to take you off his hit list.

123. Iowa county board gives initial OK for ghost hunters to investigate asylum

Comment #151356 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 2:42 pm

This definitely calls for a spirited response!

If the state of Iowa needs some help in ghostbusting, I believe the Vatican may be able assist.

If the ghosts are more than say 300 years old, maybe they need to consult the local native American medicine man, or "witch doctor" as it's better known elsewhere.

124. Expelled from Expelled: PZ story goes global

Comment #151348 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 2:33 pm

SteveZ may be indeed in a pessimistic mood by feeling that posting on the internet achieves nothing or little. Personally, I don't care if I'm in minority of one. If the point of view I express is worth saying then it's worth saying. Mendel's experiments with pea plants weren't picked up for some 30 odd years, yet he was right. The irony of a Christian monk providing evidence for Darwin's theory of evolution still amuses me.

In a way, I share the feelings of religios in KNOWING that I am right! The non-Discovery Institute has bugger all to show for its efforts. Money cannot buy knowledge, only willing minds can acquire it. The best these creationists can do is to cast some/any doubt on anything that conflicts with their Bible. No evidence of any designer, but that doesn't stop them saying that "intelligent design" explains things.

Sorry boys, back to the drawing board and think tank.

If anything, this website is too scary for the religios (mostly) to post on, precisely because they are, unlike Daniel, torn to bits. It's something that they don't like. Don't get too downbeat SteveZ, keep doing your stuff!

125. Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue

Comment #151319 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 1:29 pm

religious freedom


Surely a contradiction in terms. With religion there can be no freedom, only brainwashing.

126. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #151314 by D'Arcy on March 28, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Whilst this tragedy could have easily been avoided had the parents called for medical help, I wonder if they had any medical insurance. Apparently some 47 million Americans have no health insurance. Could this be the reason for their inaction apart from prayer?

Om another topic, I admire much of what Scottish Geologist posts. He pointed out some time ago, that NOT ONE Christian has seen fit so far to come on this thread to defend the parents of this unfortunate ex child.

Come on, Robertson, D'Souza, McGrath, Revcort or whoever else. Come and explain how your God is so merciful. If He's there, (which he isn't), he must be a right mean bastard. Oh dear seem to have a pain in my chest........!

127. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #150851 by D'Arcy on March 27, 2008 at 1:22 pm

This discussion reminds me of Lenin's approach to fomenting political revolutions in other countries in Europe, by "boring from within". He is quoted as saying:

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.


Like most other political leaders he was very capable of telling as many lies as it took to keep himself and his party in power. Stalin learnt well from his master. Both of course were well versed in the Russian Church (kinda Christian). Stalin was the author of the phrase "boring from within".

128. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150772 by D'Arcy on March 27, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Best wishes Richard, sorry missed the 26th, but as my dad used to say "Happy Unbirthday!". I think he nicked that from Lewis Carrol or someone.

Whatever, keep up the good fight against ingnorance, superstition and downright lying!

If there's a pint in Newcastle, there's a bottle of red biddy in London.

129. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148908 by D'Arcy on March 24, 2008 at 2:40 pm

Richard's use of the term Lord Privy Seal, brings to mind a fairy story:

Once upon a time a great Lord sat upon His privy and did perform an intelligent act of design. He did look upon his creation with much pleasure and said "it is good"! Thereupon the great Lord flushed the toilet and all that was within was carried to the newly created ocean. From the deeps came a creature whose name shall be called "Seal", and this creature did devour the intelligently designed product of the great Lord.

And in the eating of the great Lord's product, this Seal did itself become mighty, arrogant, and immune to all those other creatures that argued against it. And it did lord its superiority among the sea creatures.

One day the Seal did eat a fish containing worms containing parasites to which the Seal had not evolved resistance and it did not live happily ever after spending its last moments at the bottom of the ocean together with the detritus resulting from the reciting of Vogon poetry.

130. John Templeton: God's sugar daddy

Comment #148636 by D'Arcy on March 23, 2008 at 1:24 pm

The article makes a vaporous point about the difference between what Templeton gives away, and what Bill Gates gives away. Personally, I'd rather see some way of combatting malaria than an increased convergence of "spirituality" and science.

The fact that there are very rich people in the world (not many), and far more not so rich or positively poverty stricken, says more about the nature of capitalism than it does about spirituality.

131. Does God answer prayer? ASU research says 'yes'

Comment #148585 by D'Arcy on March 23, 2008 at 10:59 am

And the statistical likelihood of the Christian God helping sick people in the USA, especially if preyed for is ???

Why does God allow people to get sick in the first place?

132. It looks like Man crucified

Comment #148542 by D'Arcy on March 23, 2008 at 9:20 am

The fact that in 2008 Hume still admits to being a Marxist in spite of that philosophy's utter failure and total rejection says an awful lot about his ability to judge anything rationally.


Presumably jshuey is referring to the Soviet Union and similar countries where state capitalism was the dominant system. Despite these countries' "marxist" window dressing, they had nothing to do with socialism, communism or the ideas of Karl Marx. Don't believe me? Try reading some Marx for yourself. Wage Labour and Capital is probably the best place to start.

133. The Secular Conscience

Comment #148298 by D'Arcy on March 22, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Dr Benway talks of the Sunset area. Well D'Arcy used to live at 4321 Judah when he was a student. Golden Gate Park 2 blocks, Pacific Ocean half block plus tunnel and beach. I can still hear the M cars turning round!

Could this be an omen?

134. Jesus saves

Comment #148293 by D'Arcy on March 22, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Dr Nev Says:

...you know how sometimes socks just vanish and you end up with odd pairs - That's where they get the money to fund research like this... The bastards!!


Was it Douglas Adams who had a line on this? All those missing socks, paper clips, pens, keys ..... you name it, had gone to assemble themselves into an alternate universe?

I have a special part of a drawer where single socks are put, in the hope of making a pair. At the moment there are about 16 lonely batchelors in there looking for a mate but are too racist to consider co-habitation.

135. EXPELLED!

Comment #148286 by D'Arcy on March 22, 2008 at 2:46 pm

Well, what are a few lies about the conduct of PZM or Dawkins, compared with the big LIE these people want to promote? Jesus was / is the saviour, the Earth is 6004 years old, children played with velociraptors?..... I mean where does their big LIE end?

Apart from hell of course, 9th commandement and all that.

136. EXPELLED!

Comment #147829 by D'Arcy on March 21, 2008 at 11:44 am

From PZ's post, it would appear that the creationists are imitating the scientologists' approach. The jackboot mentality of "believe our thoughts or burn", is typical of an autocratic organisation which hates criticism, however well founded.

PZ probably did well to miss the film, no wonder he was so good humoured!

137. The Secular Conscience

Comment #147458 by D'Arcy on March 20, 2008 at 1:36 pm

jimbob seems to have misunderstood what I wrote:

Religion has bugger all too do with morality. Religions of all kinds merely latch onto the existing moral views and then claim them as their own. Religion is itself a product of the society from which it springs.


jimbob responds:


Beg to differ, but religion is often an obstacle to humanistic morality. Thought everybody had grasped that around here?


jimbob doesn't appear to disagree with what I wrote. Religions certainly do latch onto the prevailing moral attitudes and claim them as their own. As Hitchens has said, did people really not know it was wrong to kill each other before Moses met God? In parts of India and China female infanticide is still regarded as morally right. In the same way the burning of heretics was considered morally right (by the torch bearers) in 16th & 17th century Europe.

Yes, religion and its beliefs are a hangover from the past. Yes, religion represents the dead hand of the past. But given time, religions that survive, do change in accordance with the prevailing morality. Christianity no longer burns heretics nor tortures them on the rack, even if some its most fervent followers would like to do so.

138. The Secular Conscience

Comment #146931 by D'Arcy on March 19, 2008 at 3:02 pm

Dacey, a philosopher who teaches at Polytechnic University and the State University of New York at Buffalo, claims that values and ethicsâ€"defining what is right and wrong, good and badâ€"are not the sole domain of theologians.


Dacey is being too indulgent. Religion has bugger all too do with morality. Religions of all kinds merely latch onto the existing moral views and then claim them as their own. Religion is itself a product of the society from which it springs.

139. Jesus saves

Comment #146920 by D'Arcy on March 19, 2008 at 2:52 pm

"JESUS SCORES"!!!

Was the DaVinci Code right all along?

140. Writer Arthur C Clarke dies at 90

Comment #146900 by D'Arcy on March 19, 2008 at 2:29 pm

"Open the pod bay door Hal".

141. Religion 'linked to happy life'

Comment #146096 by D'Arcy on March 18, 2008 at 3:49 pm

From the article:

The precise contribution of religion to mental health remains controversial, although there is other evidence that it does directly improve happiness, said Professor Leslie Francis, from the University of Warwick.

He said that the benefit might stem from the increased "purpose of life" felt by believers.


Probably I too would feel happier if I thought that I'm not really going to die because my "soul" will live on in paradise. However in the meantime, the intellectual pleasure I get from not being a believer, is worth more than an after life.

I seem to remember a study a few years ago that showed that on average non-believers lived longer than believers. The believers were obviously more willing to hear the "call of God" than non-believers.

Isn't it funny how the religios will seize on any "scientific" evidence that appears to give their view credence, but will happily ignore that which doesn't.

I just can't wait for Judgment Day!

142. 'Anonymous' takes anti-Scientology to the streets

Comment #144693 by D'Arcy on March 16, 2008 at 3:44 pm

It could be that Xenu's descendents are hiding under the same volcano as John Frum. That could be more interesting than what went on at Mt. Olympus.

Ah well, off to Mars to feed the Argentinasaurus, have a good one!

143. In Britain, creationist theory is evolving

Comment #144680 by D'Arcy on March 16, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Isn't it amazing how a few thousand dollars can buy so much influence into what is taught in British (and no doubt other) schools. These pissquicks of a bygone age are now so determined to push their fantasy that science must now fly out the window.

Mr White is reported as saying:

He says that when he is asked to speak to science classes, he challenges the accuracy of radioactive dating which shows the world to be thousands of millions of years old and says that the Bible is a more accurate description of how mankind began. He personally believes the Earth is between 6,000 and 12,000 years old.


If Mr. White is so certain of his viewpoint, why doesn't he challenge the scientific basis of radiometric dating head on, by getting his own view published in a respected scientific journal? My suspicion is that the man has more chance of passing through the eye of a needle than he has of getting his view thus published. But maybe Mr. White will prove me wrong!

Maybe velociraptors used to play with children after all!

144. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #144635 by D'Arcy on March 16, 2008 at 1:41 pm

If Jesus wasn't a Jew, then I am not a materialist. Christianity couldn't possibly start until the resurrection could it? I mean the whole basis of Christianity is the death and resurrection of Jesus (for our sakes). Before then Jesus was a mere miracle worker.

I'm sorry my links don't seem to be working and I don't know why, but there is a lot of interesting stuff about the Catholic Church and the Third Reich.

Let's try one more link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avro_Manhattan

145. The Great Tantra Challenge

Comment #144631 by D'Arcy on March 16, 2008 at 1:27 pm

This shaman guy needs a few lessons from Lord Voldermort.

Oh Shit! I'm coming out in boils all over.....

146. The business of natural selection

Comment #144407 by D'Arcy on March 16, 2008 at 2:38 am

Before wealth can be bought and sold on markets it must first be created by living human labour and nature given materials. The most sophisticated technology still requires 100% human input. Machinery can save labour in the productive process, but it can't create new wealth. Machines eventually wear out and have to be maintained and replaced from time to time. The wealth created, belongs of course to the factory owners and not the producers who are paid wages or salaries.

The fact that capitalists bet on the various markets of the world on the likely economic performance of companies does not influence the total amount of real wealth in the economy. The betting merely enables the change of ownership from A to B. In practice not everyone can bet on the winner.

147. Ban anti-Catholic books in schools, says bishop

Comment #144356 by D'Arcy on March 15, 2008 at 5:37 pm

Our bishop says:

Asked if that applied to works by authors such as Karl Marx and Albert Camus, he told the Commons Children, Schools and Families Committee: "Suppose you went into a school and found in the library material that said the Holocaust never took place?"


The fact that Hitler was a Catholic, and that the Vatican and the Third Reich tacitly agreed not to upset each other too much, appears to have been forgotten by O'Donoghue. Hitler's hatred of the Jews can at least partly be blamed on his Catholic upbringing. After all, it is the Bible that tells us who got Jesus crucified i.e. the Jews.

For further info re the pope and the holocaust, try the link.


http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/pius.html

http://www.srpska-mreza.com/library/facts/manhattan-vatican.html

148. Beauty ad banned after Christian outcry

Comment #144275 by D'Arcy on March 15, 2008 at 2:35 pm

Those who complain about the complainers should perhaps take their complaints to the horses mouth.

Below are contact details for the Archdeacon of Liverpool:

Archdeacon of Liverpool
Venerable Richard J G (Ricky) Panter
The Rectory, 2a Monfa Road
Bootle, Liverpool L20 6BQ
Tel: 0151 922 3758
Email: archdeaconricky@blueyonder.co.uk
Secretary: Barbara Mackie
Tel: 0151-705 2154
Email: barbara.mackie@liverpool.anglican.org


I expect the good archdeacon is getting ready for the annual celebration of the gory death of his saviour, so a few messages pointing out that his religion offends we non-believers, may put him into martyr-mode. Narrow minded is hardly the word.

149. The atheist delusion

Comment #144097 by D'Arcy on March 15, 2008 at 4:58 am

I have just picked out one phrase from this long ramble:

The incomprehensibility of the divine is at the heart of Eastern Christianity,


That about sums up what any religion is about.

"God's ways are mysterious, and you humans are bloody fools to try to understand them, so don't bother".

Poisonous weasels these faith defenders.

150. Fleabytes

Comment #143894 by D'Arcy on March 14, 2008 at 3:01 pm

D'Arcy: I have noticed that Robertson, whilst he obviously believes in "original sin" whether metaphorically or not, steers clear of believing in a 6004 year old Earth (?universe, same thing?).
Does he? I haven't noticed any posts from him on this subject one way or the other, though I may just have missed them. Has he said he doesn't believe the bible is literal in this respect?


Paula, it seems to me that Robertson is far happier attacking non-believers and or the personalities involved, than he is in explaining his own beliefs, apart from such vague offerings as the universe revolves around Jesus, the man has little positive to say. My own feeling is that that Robertson is a YEC but is far too intelligent to put forward such a view. Let's get the theologians to discuss "how long is a year?" The discussion is probably still going on at Milliways. Unfortunately, I don't have enough time to join in!

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