101. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #163955 by Logicel on April 19, 2008 at 11:04 am

Pacman wrote: Faith is like the wind.
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So Jesus really broke wind and not bread with the disciples at the Last Supper?

I am afraid that it is the Godbots who have let their brains fall out. How else can they handle the boredom that would be generated by embracing the type of stale, out-dated, useless, totally non-stimulating notions being presented by them in this thread? No brain, no boredom, I guess.

102. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163200 by Logicel on April 18, 2008 at 4:10 am

Please digg this vid (Digg icon right above the comments, just 20 diggs so far, usually over 1,000 is necessary to get it on the front page of Digg. It takes a minute or two to open up a Digg account. PZ Myers' post on being expelled from Expelled had over 2000 diggs and was on the front page for about a week.

Original content, yeah!

The Stork is love, sex is cold and material, leaving a sense of emptiness; folks do it over and over again, in vain, trying to get a sense being part of something bigger than themselves. They fail. They do it again. So sad, so lost, I will pray to the Stork so I can have more sex, oops, so the sexists can see the wrong of their ways.

103. Yoko Ono, Filmmakers Caught in 'Expelled' Flap

Comment #162442 by Logicel on April 17, 2008 at 1:35 am

The movie is set to open Friday on 1,000 screens,...
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As of 2007, there are roughly 39,000 movie theatre screens (http://www.natoonline.org/statisticsscreens.htm)

Maybe Expelled is opening in Afghanistan?

104. Richard Dawkins and Lawrence Krauss

Comment #161290 by Logicel on April 15, 2008 at 5:58 am

Bonzai wrote: I am ashamed to admit that I was in a roboholic hero worship (regarding Feynman) mode instantly.I was born too late.
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We keep a shrine for Feynman in our household, candles, offerings, the works (at the moment I am trying to wrest away from my darling husband the last remnant of a freshly baked, lemon-zested, raisen-studded Madeira cake, in order to place it in front of Feynman's shrine)

However, despite that Feynman is my God, I think that Dawkins, with his built-in moderator and his acknowledging that the host has the power to set the debate back on track if its gets derailed, is spot on in his 'pioneering' effort to forge an alternative to the traditional debate set-up.

I view this style as a way we can listen to our side discussing the disagreements within our side, not as an alternative to 'proper' debate between opponents. And the traditional debate style needs better moderators.

105. A New Flea

Comment #160380 by Logicel on April 14, 2008 at 2:18 am

Fides et Rationalizing wrote: "...begs the question why won't athiests engage with intelligent faith rather than loons on the fringe."
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You mean the kind of intelligent faith that takes the following nonsense seriously: A cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father wants you to telepathically acknowledge him as your master so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that was put there when a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree.

106. A New Flea

Comment #160376 by Logicel on April 14, 2008 at 2:14 am

Fides et Rationalizing wrote: ...having just glanced at this chap's career though, I find it sad that people who claim reason so firmly as their standard, dismiss him so quickly,...
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And I find it sad that a mere glance through his theological credentials is enough for you to equate his work with of anything of import.

107. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #160343 by Logicel on April 14, 2008 at 1:14 am

And how does Dawkins and the spirited reception to his appearing in Dr. Who have any connection to Ravenhill's concerns? If any, they refute them, as Dawkins is being involved in a creative endeavor by appearing in Dr. Who!

108. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #160336 by Logicel on April 14, 2008 at 1:05 am

Sounds like a Christian culture junkie. Other religions, past and present, also have contributed to art and are important in those cultures.

If having faith is embracing myth as truth, and Ravenhill accepts that is silly, then how can embracing something he has dissed himself be the impetus for inspired creativity?

His pathetic apologetics reminds me of the British couple decades ago, when excessive sugar intake was first reviled as being a cause of ill health, they said, ridiculous, sugar is good, and wrote a cook book glorifying the daily use of sugar. Once we know something is not good, why encourage its use?

Human ability to embrace magical thinking will always be the inspiration for creative works, and that is the ability which religion harnessed for its own pernicious ends. Remove religion, and that ability remains, waiting to be channeled for creative endeavors.

109. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159865 by Logicel on April 13, 2008 at 9:28 am

Dr B provided a good psychological handle with her focus on atheist posters having different intents.

Corylus, your suggestion is creatively clever. However, it would not solve friction resulting from the 'different intentional' bias of the atheist commenters.

I often compare how commenters behave at PZ Myers compared/contrasted to the commenting behavior here. Besides the fact that Myers posts almost entirely original posts, he does have a strong presence in the comment section also. He has the decisiveness to throw commenters in the dungeon (though their contact info, if known, is given in the dungeon list). He also can hilariously choose to disvowel their posts (their comments become a gibberish of consonants, uncannily resembling Welsh).

The expelled thread at Myers reached nearly 2000 comments and caused havoc with Seed's (the host for Myers' blog) server, and Myers closed the thread down and reopened a new one (last visit it was up to over 100 comments already). There is some very good discussion with creationists at that thread (that is why the comment number is so high, much higher than usual). The difference I see at first glance is the physical set-up: it is not as user friendly (no editing or deleting), the format is more cramped. The front page here, at Dawkins, is very conducive to become indiscriminate in the quantity and length of posts.

110. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159853 by Logicel on April 13, 2008 at 8:59 am

Styrer writes: Under which number do you yourself fall, my good Doctor?
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Those seven categories are to describe believers. Last time I looked Dr. B was a non-believer.

111. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #159655 by Logicel on April 12, 2008 at 5:43 pm

Mark Smith writes: But the problem is that ID is not a hypothesis in this sense. It doesn't seek to explain anything.
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Well said. ID, unlike scientific theories, has no predicting or explanatory power. It is dead on arrival. Toss it in the non-science bin. The Dover case judge clearly concluded that ID is religion, not science.

112. The List: The World's Worst Religious Leaders

Comment #159393 by Logicel on April 12, 2008 at 4:52 am

This list is comprised only of living religious leaders so Hubbard (Miscavige should be on this list instead) or Mother Teresa would not qualify. Anyway it's way too short as there are enough to make a list of ten at the very least.

The Merchant of Misery (known to his idiot legions of Catholics as the Pope) deserves top position on this list. The reason he is not given this position is because in addition to the compilers of this list only focusing on religious nuts outside of America/Europe (probably why Miscavige or Warren Jeffs are not on this list), so called mainstream religion still gets the respect it does not deserve. The day when the Pope makes the list, then we can recognize the reality that religion no longer can demand unwarranted respect.

113. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158842 by Logicel on April 11, 2008 at 5:40 am

whytebread wrote: A religion (i.e. evolution) that looks at the complex design of the human body and says it was an accident,...
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The scientific theory of Evolution includes the NON-RANDOM aspect of natural selection.

(I finally figured out that the religites regard the presentation of the tu quoque fallacy card as not posing a problem, because their religion, from the countless religious brands out there, constitutes the real and only true one. What they are really saying is that everything that puts their one and true religion at jeopardy constitutes religion, including scientific, secular theories, so perhaps they are really saying that they believe in the only true non-religion? teehee)

114. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158824 by Logicel on April 11, 2008 at 4:59 am

D.ug I.n O.ffal wrote:

Richard Dawkins is every bit the Televangelist.

Rather than steal the Jesus story and slug it out in a crowded marketplace as the typical Televangelist does, Dawkins chose the Marketplace for Atheist Goods.
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Your point is that Dawkins is an atypical Televangelist? So, not really an Televangelist then?

The Economist wrote up a review for TGD over a year ago, I read it, was interested, ordered it from Amazon, received it, read it, and enjoyed it. I had no idea that the sequence of events which led to my purchase of TGD comprised the "Marketplace for Atheist Goods."

115. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158818 by Logicel on April 11, 2008 at 4:35 am

D.ug I.n O.ffal wrote: You must ask yourself if you want a nerdy, hunched-shoulder, effminiate, squishy PhD male...
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Yeah, my brother-in-law, though he did all what was required to get his PhD, was denied the doctorate on the basis of his bulky, muscular, ripped 6' 2" bod.

116. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158746 by Logicel on April 11, 2008 at 2:10 am

whytebread writes: ...acknowledged gaps in Darwin's 150 year-old, unproven theory...
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Darwin scientific theory proves itself again and again because it predicts (and explains) possible findings, and these findings, whether they are based in DNA (which was discovered way after Darwin) or in fossils, keep adding to the body of evidence pointing that evolution is a sound and intact scientific theory. There has been some controversy within the scientific theory of Evolution (for example, group selection) which was vigorously debated (and not suppressed).

ID flunked and was not expelled. ID is not science, and as astrology and alchemy must not be added to astronomy and chemistry SCIENCE classes nor will ID be added to biology classes.

There may be controversy in evolution, but it is not ID. Check with the judge deciding the Dover case in favor of evolution, who concluded clearly that ID is religion, and not science.

117. Fleabytes

Comment #158114 by Logicel on April 10, 2008 at 4:51 am

I am in a dumb mood, so here is my contribution:

Wow, up to comment number 7597!!!!!!!

and if that was not scintillating enough,

CAN ANYONE SAY CABIN FEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Though I consider web communication to be real, it is not the only kind available. There is also self-communication, alone time--go out and strut along a grassy path or a mountain top, and hang out with yourself for a change of communication pace. It is friggin' spring after all.

118. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #158084 by Logicel on April 10, 2008 at 4:00 am

#351 by Keith, well said!

I kept out of this fray because frankly it was too confusing. At this point, however, I consider this one of the more impressive threads at this site. Impressive because it never got fully derailed--posters stuck at it (with the exception of R. Morgan). Very refreshing that not one single commenter branded Morgan's action as being traitorous (yeah, RM, D. Robertson would never say a 'bad' thing about a mentally disturbed person, because he is too busy scaring and scarring children with his unfounded visions of hell.)

This thread continued despite some very disruptive elements, because there is a central group of posters who are respected (respected despite flaws, because they own up to mistakes and try better).

Dawkins himself have interrupted such unabashed displays of personal feelings with suggesting that such interaction be done via PM. In part, he is correct. However, a virtual community also needs a forum (and though there are forums back stage so to speak, they never get anyway the same pronounced degree of interaction like the front page does) where misunderstandings and grievances can be thrashed out.

I have criticized the endless interchange with religites on the front page as being less than desirable, encouraging those to take place on another forum (except for religites who stay on topic of the article being discussed). However, I feel the atheists who frequent this site need to have the chance to come together as a virtual community, and what happened in this thread is part of that process.

119. Rep. Davis: The Worst Person in the World

Comment #157442 by Logicel on April 9, 2008 at 5:26 am

For you diggers out there, make sure you digg this post regarding Davis ranting at Sherman (it has nearly 3000 diggs and is on the front political page of digg):

http://digg.com/political_opinion/Illinois_Legislator_Children_shouldn_t_know_atheism_exists

120. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #157340 by Logicel on April 9, 2008 at 12:23 am

What a lovely team of two Richard and Paula make. Bravo to both of you!

I plan on linking to this vid frequently when discussing the atheist viewpoint with believers. Thank you very much for this invaluable presentation.

121. Dawkins warns of human extinction

Comment #155464 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 2:12 pm

Here's (yet again) that ever so handy concise definition of what a Jesus junkie believes: "... a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father wants you to telepathically acknowledge him as your master so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that was put there when a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree."

If religious faith can be compared to a drug, then this is how this inanity is forged through contorted rationalizations to become the following. AD writes: Palestinian Jews would not have invented a Messiah who seemed to just give up when what they were expecting was a showdown with the Roman authorities. When he rode into Jerusalem it was ultimately in order to take his place on a Roman gibbet, not to bring thunder and lightning down on the heads of the oppressors. Nor would they have invented someone who claimed to have the authority to forgive people's sins. That was precisely what nearly got him lynched quite early on. It's true that there were other Messiah figures, but they fitted the bill as regards Palestinian expectations of their Messiah. And they raised bands of followers and took on the powers-that-be. Not so Jesus, or he took them on in a way in which no one could have anticipated.

As for the resurrection, it is the most plausible explanation for the empty tomb and the post-mortem appearances of the risen Christ. This was Jesus final and decisive challenge to Caesar. Caesar was the self-proclaimed son of god. The resurrection, attested by the empty tomb which was there for all to see, and Jesus disciples who changed overnight from being a bunch or cowering, disillusioned might-have-beens to one of the most powerful, focused group of revolutionaries the world has ever seen, was God's message to the Romans and everyone else that Caesar was not the son of God. Jesus was.

THIS IS YOUR BRAINS ON FAITH. JUST SAY NO TO FAITH.

122. Protests no concern for outspoken atheist

Comment #155415 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 1:04 pm

that should fix the run on italics.

123. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #155074 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 6:16 am

Here's a vid on this news item (hat tip to atheist media):

http://atheistmedia.blogspot.com/2008/04/cult-leader-attempts-suicide-after.html

Though the cave was certainly dismal and uncomfortable, the villager's houses also seem not very comfortable--seems like a very poor area. The mention of how many roubles it takes to maintain support for the cave dwellers drives home the point of how much money is wasted on this nonsense (why not nip it in the bud, if it was non religious folks doing this, it would have been). Of course the money saved most likely would not have been directed to this poor village.

EDIT: the newscaster referred to the log as a 'block of wood.' Not as funny.

124. Anti-gay Okla. lawmaker attracts 1,000 backers

Comment #154931 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 2:10 am

Does Kern's babbling mean she will eventually become a lesbian?

125. Upside-down church sculpture on hit list

Comment #154924 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 1:44 am

I love it, I want it in my back yard. Please!!! I don't want to share it with anyone.

126. Pastor attacks scientist's talk

Comment #154911 by Logicel on April 4, 2008 at 12:50 am

Managed to endure watching that vid by Robertson half way through, before I lost all interest.

He is a typical Christian pastor--a meddler, who thinks he knows what is best for everyone, having only our best interests at heart--what an outdated and useless angle from which to interact with others.

The motor that keeps him churning his stuck wheels is his faith-based belief in having an handle on absolute truth (tell that to all the other practitioners of the many religions out there, DR!)

In this vid, He comes off an earnest dullard, trying to keep on keeping on with what he is most familiar, a guinea pig going around and around on his little, stationary wheel.

127. CEAI Action Alert for Science Teachers

Comment #154270 by Logicel on April 3, 2008 at 2:50 am

Richard M wrote: Subsequent use of the Roman colander has had a significant effect on Western interpretations, but fundamentally, it seems to me that it's a load of bollocks.
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Consider yourself reported to the "Inquisition al dente." (got this hilarious phrase off a French site)

128. I always aim to misbehave

Comment #151632 by Logicel on March 29, 2008 at 5:12 am

Richard D writes: PZ is a priceless asset, a hero of our time.
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That comment is why I admire RD so much, he gets the essentials quickly.

129. 'We Make Our Own Heaven'

Comment #151424 by Logicel on March 28, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Since fides et ratio, the sucker that he/she is, has swallowed the below nonsense hook, line, and sinker, I doubt that he/she would recognize critical thinking if it bit him/her in the arse:

...therefore, a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father wants you to telepathically acknowledge him as your master so that he can remove an evil force from your soul that was put there when a talking snake convinced a rib-woman to eat the fruit of a magical tree.

However, perhaps it would be wise to give him/her the benefit of doubt, and it could be this mandatory course in critical thinking that explains the throngs of folks leaving Catholicism (though I would think the long standing and until recently condoned child abuse by Catholic priests may have something to do with this mass (ha!) exodus.

130. Fossil find could be Europe's first humans

Comment #150564 by Logicel on March 27, 2008 at 5:47 am

Was wondering why that mug is familiar!!!

131. Happy Birthday, Richard Dawkins!

Comment #150483 by Logicel on March 27, 2008 at 1:49 am

Happy Birthday, Richard! In celebration, I am rereading the bits in Unweaving the Rainbow related to your wonderful angle on cutting through woo: bad poetry (the chapter titled: Huge Cloudy Symbols of A High Romance).

Corylus, a year has gone by fast because a year is really not all that very long of a period of time! (this is coming from an old fart, when the perception of time definitely is speeded up)

I love these threads that lure out the lurkers. No problem with lurking, just nice to know who is out there. I do hope Shaka posts again as I can't get enough of the rubbery magic of Rowan Atkinson's face (and of purring cats also, maybe an added audio?)

132. Expelled from Expelled: PZ story goes global

Comment #150475 by Logicel on March 27, 2008 at 1:20 am

Regarding the blogosphere not being the 'real' world, tell that to all the newspapers whose stock prices have been halved within recent years (because of the competition from 'unreal' people getting their information from the 'unreal' blogosphere.

It seems to this real person who works, communicates, and is entertained via the Web throughout each and every day, that the folks that are more critical than I regarding the 'real' effects of the Web, are much more optimistic and easily disappointed than I. Yes, the confrontation against Theism will be a long slough, and the Web will make that a bit shorter, but for goodness sakes, don't expect miracles.

133. Saudi Arabia Leader Calls for Interfaith Dialogue

Comment #150076 by Logicel on March 26, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Abdullah said Monday, deploring "the disintegration of the family...
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Here, let me translate that into English: deploring the disintegration of cruel, crushingly mindless, power-obsessed Patriarchy.

134. Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help

Comment #149878 by Logicel on March 26, 2008 at 10:11 am

Faith is not a virtue, it is a vice. Society needs to wake up to that fact and not pussyfoot around it anymore--faithheads are all walking time bombs.

135. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148828 by Logicel on March 24, 2008 at 2:47 am

As I have said previously, more original content is needed for this site. And though Richard is a novice at blogging and his opening paragraphs a bit rough around the edges, wow, did he eventually find his stride and strode right into the heart of the topic. Wonderful blogging.

For the commenters who remarked on the rough style, keep in mind how smooth PZ Myers' blogging is and realize that blogging is a skill (PZ Myers puts out about 5 original entries daily).

One of my fave bits, such a well done phrase (my emphasis is bolded):

...and his speaking voice is an irritating, nasal drawl, innocent of charm and of consonants.

Is that why Stein comes off like a bored thug?

136. John Templeton: God's sugar daddy

Comment #148472 by Logicel on March 23, 2008 at 6:46 am

Another 'love' junkie. Give me due process, democracy, evolution-based altruism, access to human rights, etc. anytime over this bowing down to an absolute notion of love as an entity and as a force for good.

137. The death-of-god debate

Comment #148465 by Logicel on March 23, 2008 at 6:26 am

Religion is a mental appendix, outdated but not yet extinct (and sometimes sorely inflamed).
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Wonderful line.

138. Discussion on PZ Myers being expelled from Expelled

Comment #148078 by Logicel on March 22, 2008 at 1:25 am

Nice clip. Loved Dawkins saying, He (the director) was doing Lord Privy Seals all over the place.

and

Goodness knows, they must be insecure.

Regarding all publicity is good publicity (in the sense that it will drive film revenues), I consider that to be an insignificant plus for the side of these IDiots compared to the willfully shooting of themselves in their feet debacle they now have on their hands.

Perhaps the American IDiots have been so lulled by the last twenty years or so of the predominance of the so-called Moral Majority, that they have no idea what they are up against with the viral negative publicity made possible rather recently by the Web.

139. No Admission for Evolutionary Biologist at Creationist Film

Comment #148071 by Logicel on March 22, 2008 at 12:57 am

As I suspected when I first read Dr Benway's wikipedia entry regarding breaking the irony meter, the entry was eventually deleted. Reason given that it belongs here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expelled:_No_Intelligence_Allowed

Check under the subtopic: Screenings.

140. The Great Tantra Challenge

Comment #144614 by Logicel on March 16, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Now the tantrik wrote Sanal's name on a sheet of paper, tore it into small pieces, dipped them into a pot with boiling butter oil and threw them dramatically into the flames.
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Oh g(h)ee! Really thought that would work.

141. The business of natural selection

Comment #144168 by Logicel on March 15, 2008 at 8:36 am

Can this system account for such variables as the company's in question competitor's well being/decline, Lady luck (ex., an unexpected oil, or other commodity find?), etc.?

I am a discretionary trader, and I spit in these people's faces.

142. Selling science to the masses

Comment #144166 by Logicel on March 15, 2008 at 8:31 am

In addition, the lovely bloke at Blogging Around the Clock has a list of all the pertinent links concerning this debate which has been raging for some time now:

http://scienceblogs.com/clock/2007/04/onestop_shopping_for_the_frami.php

143. Selling science to the masses

Comment #144160 by Logicel on March 15, 2008 at 8:25 am

PZ Myers disagrees vehemently with the 'framing' approach of Mooney and has written several lively posts related to this topic. Here's one:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/04/i_like_framing_less_and_less_w.php

144. The atheist delusion

Comment #144072 by Logicel on March 15, 2008 at 2:56 am

One long belly laugh from start to finish.

If 'loud/new' atheism (though this guy feels humanism is a problem also, per the Wikipedia link) is flushing these demented fuckwits out in the open, then perhaps Sam Harris is not entirely right to resist focusing on atheism.

This guy sounds like Hedges, negative and has given up on mankind. Just nuts. If we as a species fail, at least we tried.

145. Bishop accuses gays of 'conspiracy' against the Catholic Church

Comment #143348 by Logicel on March 14, 2008 at 3:15 am

Put a fork in it, the Catholic Church is done.

This guy is like a roasted whole pig just coming out of an oven with an apple stuffed in his mouth (apologies to vegetarians), the apple falls out, and this roasted, stuck pig manages to still squeak out his immoral beliefs. Eventually all his flesh will be stripped from his pathetic self and he will be no more. Thank Goodness for that.

Cartomancer, in his comment #74, outdid his usual wondrous grasp of the English language: my fave bit is, I have packed every nunnery from here to Geneva with trained lesbian insurgents and half the cardinals in the conclave are under my sway, ready to bring the church to its knees at a single theatrical wave of my ostrich-feather fan.

146. Two More Fleas

Comment #142646 by Logicel on March 12, 2008 at 11:47 pm

Here's a snappy reply for the fine tuning argument from Dawkins (TGD, p.144):

Far from God being needed to twiddle six knobs, there are no knobs to twiddle.

147. Beauty ad banned after Christian outcry

Comment #142395 by Logicel on March 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm

...including one from the Archdeacon of Liverpool, objecting that the ads were offensive to the Christian faith.

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And his point is?

148. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141745 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:46 am

...abortion, which offended "the dignity and rights of women"...
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I agree absolutely as I consider a rusty clothes hanger thrust up a woman to be very dignified instead of having access to legal, safe ELECTIVE abortions which are just so undignified.

Bunch of demented fuckwits that need every last bit of power stripped from their immoral hands.

Take a wild guess, what part of a women controlling her body do these dangerous morons don't like? Here's a hint, it begins with a c, same letter that begins the word, competition.

149. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141733 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:34 am

As for the article: Put a fork in it, the Catholic Church is done.

150. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141728 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:31 am

Not surprisingly, I made the 9th level, probably because I am a rude native New Yorker who chooses to live in France:

Ninth Level of Hell - Cocytus

This is the deepest level of hell, where the fallen angel Satan himself resides. His wings flap eternally, producing chilling cold winds that freeze the thick ice found in Cocytus. The three faces of Satan, black, red, and yellow, can be seen with mouths gushing bloody foam and eyes forever weeping, as they chew on the three traitors, Judas, Brutus, and Cassius. This place is furthest removed from the source of all light and warmth. Sinners here are frozen deep in the ice, faces out, eyes and mouths frozen shut. Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in this frigid pit of despair.

An OK place for the likes of me, as I prefer icy climes over hot ones, but the mouth being frozen will need to be changed (as I adore talking and eating, among other things).