151. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201353 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Bob O'B, what do you think about teh Horus connection with regards to Jesus? And also the Isis connection?

152. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201346 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 3:33 pm

OK, now I'm crying.

There is a groundswell of popular opinion to end this practise rising in Yemen itself.
Amnesty International can try and do someting, but change has to come from the people themselves...

153. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201341 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Not necessarily true, you CAN get pregnant without penetration. It's less likely but it happens.

Parthenogenesis? Without that Y chromosome, it would be bloody hard for Jesus to have been a man...

154. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201301 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 3:03 pm

There is a vast difference between Jesus the man and Jesus the myth. The latter, a figment of Pauline imagination, would not be recognised by the former, I'll wager. Life of Brian spring swiftly to mind...

155. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201292 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 2:55 pm

For evidence that Jesus Christ existed I refer you primarily to Josephus, Tacitus, and the NT. Yes, the Greek version of Josephus has been doctored by an overzealous Christian, but there exists versions that do not suffer from textual corruption, such as the Arabic version preserved by Agapius. (See Shlomo Pines' An Arabic Version of the Testimonium Flavianum and Its Implications.)

Is hearsay evidence? I don't think any of the writes actually had knowledge of Jesus, merely secondhand knowledge of rumours concerning someone people called the Christ. In the Middle Ages, there were the same rumours of a man called Prester John (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prester_John) - doesn't mean he existed. Or how about King Arthur, Merlin, Zoroaster, Odin, et al?

Now, getting back to marriages, read this snippet in the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/world/middleeast/29marriage.html?_r=1&ref=world&oref=slogin

I'm guessing those that oppose same sex marriages between consenting adults are not quite as condemning of these ;-)

156. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #201101 by Goldy on June 29, 2008 at 3:11 am

All I can think of is that bog is the Russian for "god"!

In my case, nothing more prosaic than the o being next to the i on my keyboard. I'd change it, but then a whole heap of things would not make sense :-)
Layla, memorising by rote is useful sometimes. I still do my multiplication tables that way :-) As for memorising the Koran in Arabic, I guess that's right up there with memorising the Rig Veda in Sanskrit. Keeps a language alive...sort of...in aspic, I guess. Useful to historians. It may also help in memory - I believe the memory is like the rest of the body - needs exercise.
19% of UK residents believe the sun revolves around the Earth?? Blimey - when and where did they get the answers? Reading town centre on a Friday night??

157. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #201036 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 8:27 pm

Look above the comment posting box - you'll see the "Comments posting guidelines"
otherwise, do this, type < then "blockquote" followed by > To end the quote, type /blockquote between the arrows.

Uhm, all we need is one side of the issue to understands Paul's point of view.

Then it's not Jesus' views Christians follow then, is it? We are only looking at one side of the issue - Paul's side of the issue. We have absolutely no idea what Jesus thought.

Uhm, another no. Nearly every Christian community orthodox and those labeled heretic adhered to at least one of the four Gospels, such as the Gnostics and the Gospel of John, the Ebionites and Matthew, Adoptionist and Mark, Marcionites and Luke,etc

Probably why they were picked - but how many other Gospels do we get to see? And how many other gospels did these "heretical" sects get to see which influenced their "heresy"?
Off to a mate's house now to talk bikes and eat. TTFN.

158. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #201011 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 6:43 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
325, it was.

159. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #201010 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 6:42 pm

TheIdiot, all this would make more sense if it wasn't for the fact that the Gospels that I read are those chosen by men following Paul's traditions (Synod of Niceae, 300-something).
As for "Paul takes issue with..." - maybe it would be more convincing if it wasn't so one sided. Can you point me to James' Epistle, or even gospel?
Everything is rather Pauline, as I am sure you will agree.
This was is all Paul's invention silly, it's the pronounced theme of all the Gospels after he had a wee look-see and a bit of a tinker :-)

160. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200997 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 5:35 pm

Thank you for the imformation about Jesus and his followers.

Look up the pork eating thing - if that is not marketing, I don't know what is!

161. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #200995 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 5:33 pm

Depressed folks maybe? Also, seratonin is behind hallucinations from drugs like PCP. What more can you want?

Beer.

162. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #200993 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 5:31 pm

Is there a difference between a bog no-no and a swamp no-no in China?

Stupid fat fingers of mine...need to make a quick recovery...think, Mike, think...

Yes, there is, but only phenotypically. Genetically they are very similar and can interbreed (debate as to whether to call the offspring boggy-swamp no-nos or swampy-bog no-nos rages to this day). As you may or may not know, the no-no is a strange creature, almost mythical, that inhabits wetlands and other watery areas. It is closely related to the NZ taniwha, which is seen as a spirit by the Maori (showing the elusive nature of this beast). It is known in the UK as the Will o' the Wisp, showing the extremely large area it inhabits...

Thinks - phew, I think I got away with that one...
:-D

163. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200988 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 5:25 pm

TB

If that was aimed at me I'm puzzled. That's what I said.

I know, I was agreeing with you. I was telling you which follower started the show. Not all his followers agreed...
:-)

Reading all TheIdiots posts, am I the only one coming to the conclusion he is an "Atheist for Christ"?

164. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #200982 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 5:18 pm

OK, this thread is starting to annoy me. There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain the positive aspects of one's heritage, even if it originates in religion.

Relax, I'm only playing Devil's advocate :-) After all, I did get married - that's a religious based ceremony. OK, so it was because my atheist Chinese wife told me to as being an unmarried couple with child is a bog no-no in China...
However, not everyone agrees with the concept adn age of a tradition or culture is not a reason to follow it. We are here to argue and make points and have these points dissected and discussed...well, in between all the jocularity and swearing and ridiculing...

165. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200966 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 4:26 pm

A painting can be quite beautiful, but not be a source of hope.

Call me sad and lost, but I can't see how a dead Jew nailed to a tree two millenia ago be a source of hope either. Mind you, can't knock paintings. Important enough to cause a schism in the Christian church...
And talking of painting, better get back to it. That room ain't painting itself!

166. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #200965 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 4:21 pm

:-) Of course - it's a rather clever ploy. Any argument put forth will be countered by a "No" because....we couldn't possibly understand. There is some deep meaning somewhere, apparently, that is known only unto a select few. I'm not one of them, it seems ;-)

167. Your Brain Lies to You

Comment #200955 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Isn't a 4,000 year old culture worth preserving? I don't expect you to understand.

Are you sure this culture has not changed any? And why is it so worth preserving? What about other cultures? Is it only worth preserving for it's age? Footbinding had about a millenium of history behind it - worth preserving?
Reminds me of the Chinese 5000 years of recorded cultural history. Been checked by censors for the last, oooooh, 5000 years and appropriately sinified for general consumption...

168. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200951 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 3:23 pm

Sunday morning, rain has stopped for a spell and I'm having a coffee before painting a room...so I read DickyD.net :-)
TerBrat - I'm sure you are a really nice person but sometimes you come across.....slightly immature. I'd try and phrase that less impolitely, but caffeine has not kicked in. It is rather endearing in the right time :-) And you still think people in love should share - how sweet. You must be young ;-)
Christianity was not Jesus' invention. Paul of Tarsus saw a quick buck in the making and started a new cult. I believe there was conflict between him and Jesus' own family. A lot of the NT is Pauline spin doctoring and marketing - no circumcision and the lack of porcine restrictions on diet are meant to appeal to Gentiles and hence broaden the appeal. He must have been good at promotions - see how Christianity flourished! I dare say if he were alive today, Paul would be a concert promoter or something...

TheIdiot, I am still confused. You believe, yet you don't. Mother Theresa complex? You say you are witnedd to a cross - could you explain that for me? Not quite sure I get you there. Obviously not a literal thing - unless you are talking about the crosses in church.
If you are digging for a religion for meaning, why Christianity? Are you also looking at other religions? Or is this a cultural comfort blanket?
There is no god. Everything you do if from yourself. As Emo once said
"I prayed and prayed and prayed for a bicycle, but never got one. So I stole one and asked for forgiveness instead!"
This sums up religion to me.

169. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #200615 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:45 am

Scottishgeologist

But, he doesnt believe it. He's a "pick n mix" man.

Aaah, a hypocrite. Hmm, they are the worst sort to argue with - after all, if they have no idea where they stand, then they'll shift and squirm at every argument....hey! Would you believe it - he does!!! :-D

170. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #200612 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:41 am

Steve

this is now the 7th or 8th time of asking.

9th, I think. Might have missed one or two, but the last time I saw this question, it was the 8th time, so this must be the 9th :-)
What a sad git I can be!

171. Common New Atheist Fallacies

Comment #200609 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:39 am

TB, if ridiculing never convinces anyone of anything, why is it still used? Surely if it never convinced anyone, the whole concept would have died out. However... ;-)
Ridicule does work. Drink lots of beer, get a gut and then try turning up to work in a tight T-shirt (the sort one would have worn when a lot thinner...). Trust me I'll, errr, one will never wear such a shirt again!

172. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #200605 by Goldy on June 28, 2008 at 1:30 am

In the Brave New World of Atheist facism one can only shudder at the thought of what being 'neutralised' means. After all we have tried that before in Europe.

Indeed we have, DR, indeed we have. For centuries people have been neutralised - and for what? Worshipping the wrong gods ring a bell? Sexuality (I'm pretty sure you don't like homosexuality)? Or how about your personal favourite - being a Catholic. You hate them, I take it. After all, you subscribe to this

CHAP. XXV. - Of the Church.

V. The purest churches under heaven are subject both to mixture and error; and some have so degenerated, as to become no churches of Christ, but synagogues of Satan. Nevertheless, there shall be always a church on earth, to worship God according to his will.
VI. There is no other head of the church but the Lord Jesus Christ. Nor can the pope of Rome, in any sense, be head thereof; but is that antichrist, that man of sin, and son of perdition, that exalteth himself in the church against Christ, and all that is called God.

Synagogues of Satan. What an odd choice of word for describing a place of worship dedicated to Satan (there is only one god, right? So Satan isn't a god...but how can one tell - he appears as powerful as God!). Are Jews followers of Satan too?
What a vile religion you follow!

173. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200523 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 7:41 pm

Goldy,

And what's hers is yours ;-)

Aaaah, TB, you have much to learn! What's hers is, of course, hers!
I think there is a great deal of research into human social behaviour. Look up baboon society - I think that's being used as a model.

174. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200505 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 6:32 pm

TB, I know. I was talking of the actual concept of marriage. the passing on of genes and raising young is fairly separate. Lots of species don't kill the offspring and indeed look after all the young.
I still think marriage (as opposed to living "in sin" with children) is an ownership issue.
It is to me, anyway. My wife told me we were getting married and now everything I have is hers ;-)

175. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200489 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 6:05 pm

I think the institution of marriage may have evolved for this reason.

I dare say ownership (of the woman, invariably) is probably more important a factor in the evolution of marriage...

176. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200486 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 6:03 pm

The most frequent argument you'll find for opposition to gay marriage is a belief that it serves as a gateway, that undermines the traditional role of family, and blurs the line on sexuality. In fact the entire political argument against gay marriage is its effect on society and family.

Ok, you said about this...

And as I said, I myself am not opposed to gay marriage, but I understand the view of the other side well enough that I can articulate it.

Why, then, bring it up? So what if it does not conform to "traditional" values. Neither does polygamy - I don't see a witch hunt against them. How about Hindu weddings? Or, indeed, any other religious affirmation of living together?
You say you can understand the "other side" (which, given your views, is hard to know which side this is ;-)) - so can we. And we refute that. Heterosexual marriages can also ruin society. Forced marriages are a traditional norm, yet I find it hard to see how that is societally cohesive. Mistresses are very traditional (and many of those that wish to impose their utopian views on the rest of us are not short of them) and that really can destroy a social family unit.
Why didn't you bring them up? Why focus on homosexuality?
As an aside, some societies have no problems with homosexual or transgender issues.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa'afafine
http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2008/06/25/world/20080625VIRGINS_index.html
I think, if you dig into history, you will find this anti-homosexual views relatively recent...and in many cases the origin lies in the God you are apparently wavering over...

177. I believe that there is no God.

Comment #200443 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 4:31 pm

TheIdiot, just been reading your answer to Steve (the "gays and women don't deserve equal right becasue people shag too much" comment) and I think you don't understand atheism. You claim you are half atheist is incorrect. You believe, maybe can't fit the Bible to reality but you are trying.
Atheists don't all go to science. Most just use common sense and a well developed sense of reality to cope :-)

178. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200202 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 4:28 am

I'd suggest that faith schools tend to do better in the UK because they managed to minimise the interference from local government....

That's the trouble. Education is always at the whim of someone or some committee with an agenda. There is no way, as far as I can tell, when education is just, well, education. I don't want religion in it, nor do I want politics. I want education, the teaching of what is useful to living. I don't want people telling my children that God is the way, that the Bible is true and inerrant, but neither do I want my kids to learn that everything that is their culture is wrong.
OK, not making much sense...someone will polish my sentiments.

179. Saving Us from Darwin

Comment #200197 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 4:20 am

What is diffrence between piranhas and atheists?

Same diffErence as atheists and cattle, I guess.

Any common more common points;

???

Sometimes piranhas can attack on each other as well.

Something the religious are very, very, very well known to do :-) (I corrected your spelling...)

180. Creationist critics get their comeuppance

Comment #200194 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 4:13 am

Conservapedia - I have taken the liberty to distribute among the friends of mine. Aaaaah, the laughter rings around the the uni now!

181. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200186 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 3:19 am

Vaal, sorry, still laughing. Can't write anymore...

182. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200182 by Goldy on June 27, 2008 at 3:11 am

Scottish idiot religious dude

Indeed - which is why we should be allowed to have Christian education because we do not believe that children should be indoctrinated.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

183. Creationist critics get their comeuppance

Comment #200003 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 3:35 pm

Just hearing that Jesus was supposedly concieved by a holy spirit and his mother was a virgin was enough to stop me from being interested in hearing more.

It was never, luckily for me, something I had to worry about - atheist father and pretty non religious mother. Religion in either side was never an important aspect of life, merely a cultural thingy. And when I really had to hear, it made me interested....in the background. Sent off into mythology, into the Egyptian religion of the time and other Mediterranean mythology. The archeology of mythology can keep me occupied for days! :-)
Mark Smith

They see the world through this lens. Everything is interpreted to fit.

Hence my raised eyebrows at some of the things I heard and the interesting arguments about other religious books with them...if they ever had the misfortune of being alone with me :-) Oddly enough, I can recall them not really being too keen to go anywhere with me by car...and religion was actively avoided! :-D
As for the screwballs, they are the dangerous ones - they are the ones that need their own party in politics and, if my reading of Israeli politics is right (it's sort of like NZ politics), the mainstream need them to form a coalition to get enough seats and then the screwballs have the rest of the population by the short and curlies. It may be a fairer democratic system in terms of letting everyone have a voice but one soon tires of having to listen to the whims of the strange!
Noah - flood myth. Excellent story. Felt sorry for the species that he killed off when sacrificing one of the animals to say thanks to God. Methinks that's where the unicorn went ;-) But lots of flood mythology out there. Get Oppenheimer's Eden in the East - he has a rather interesting explanation.

184. Creationist critics get their comeuppance

Comment #199964 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:49 pm

TB, I've worked with a Christadelphian and a Biblical literalist in scientific fields - one was achemist and the other a pharmacologist. Both are PhDs. Both have all the evidence there in front of their eyes, both can see what cannot be true (even to a religious person) but must be mythology, both believe the Bible is the word of God and inerrant. I really don't know how they mashed reality and mythology together. If I may rephrase your last sentence... "They aren't too interested in the rest of the world."

185. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #199961 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:41 pm

More on misyar
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=93592&d=13&m=3&y=2007
Funny as hell :-)

186. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.

Comment #199958 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:38 pm

I have never heard of any such night in Saudi Arabia. Perhaps you are thinking of the Shi'a practice of Mutt'a (temporary marriage).

Small article for the Saudi playground :-)
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=9§ion=0&article=100687&d=2&m=9&y=2007
Check out the rest of the paper, there's heaps more :-)

187. Creationist critics get their comeuppance

Comment #199948 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:28 pm

I doubt there's anything you could throw at a well versed Rabbi

The best versed Rabbi only has mythology to back up his arguments. They are easily swatted aside. The hard part is for the well versed Rabbi to think rationally - and all the most religious cannot - or they would not be so religious.
Arguing with them is pointless. Just make more places of worship - it keeps them happy and off the streets.

188. God hates Mars

Comment #199578 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 3:03 am

Opal fruits..... is that a gay australian?

"Opal Fruits, made to make your mouth water!"
You decide ;-)

189. An Interview with Prof. Richard Dawkins

Comment #199572 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:32 am

Did not see this when I happily chanced upon this site over 2 years ago----why so often and usual recently?

Well, you know, banks and other lending establishments realised that giving money to people who really couldn't pay back was kinda stupid, so mortgages went up, which had a knock on effect when speculators decided that maybe banking money (hahahahah) on broke people was a bad idea so decided to turn to oil insted, raising the price to way above what it really is worth, leading to people thinking making food into fuel was a great idea and driving the price of necessities up, bringing with it the price of other food, like dairy....ah, fuck it, you get the picture.
Lighten up. There is an amazing amount of drivel - I know, I contribute to it. But sometimes it's hard. Look at txtpiper on one of the threads - no arguing with him. We face, here, militantly ignorant people. Seriously militant in maintaining their stupidity (and I can say that as they just don't read) that drives some of us to despair. Steve Zara left for a spell, others of the frequent contributers have not been as vocal as they used to be, one has even become a Christian (again...for how long, we wonder).
Just go with the flow. I try, when I can, to give reasoned arguments...but sometimes I feel like Sisyphus and I am sure others do to.
Please don't be pissy with your condemnation - try and let us know in a light hearted fashion and we'll love all the more for it.
Accept my apologies for apparently making your Dicky D experience a bit off.
Mike

190. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199569 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:16 am

Please can you wish them a fun and tea fuelled life together from me!

Allow me to add the spirit of choice for said tea :-)
Apologies, Philip! :-D
Right, best get me back to painting!

191. Fossil of most primitive 4-legged creature found

Comment #199568 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:14 am

Mord1 - I feel for you. If it is any consolation. Probably not, but in New Zealand, there is one person that really really feels for you. Seriously.

192. Fossil of most primitive 4-legged creature found

Comment #199566 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:12 am

Phil

and still broke the crank in 3 places.

Could you fix it?

8teist

Hahahahaa

No it was fucked

This was so funny I think I snotted gin through me nose!
Marcus

Why is it particularly surprising that it seems "out of sequence" in terms of how advanced it is?

I was wondering that too. Given the comments about whether it was pentadactyl or not.... Ah, well, maybe a hook for the cretinists...

193. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199562 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:05 am

Although the roles are heroic and flashy, and musically a tour de force, if you are not into the genre, they will seem very very sissy.

Well, I'm sure they'll be fine and dandy :-)
(better add this, just in case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dandy)

194. God hates Mars

Comment #199560 by Goldy on June 26, 2008 at 2:01 am

By reading the comments, I can see when the IDiot said

Mars is a desert planet and...

he actually meant

Mars is a dessert planet and...

195. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199527 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 10:40 pm

The real reason for polygamy
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/men-like-casual-sex-more-than-women-ndash-scientific-fact-854323.html
Not sure how that explains the dislike of same sex marriage by polygamous men...one would have thought they'd positively encourage it!

196. An Interview with Prof. Richard Dawkins

Comment #199526 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 10:31 pm

"if you want to chop down a tree it takes a bunch of small, precise knicks, not one fell swing"

Could do but when they cleared the bush where my house is built they used a bulldozer.
Don't mind me, only throwing oil on the fire ;-)

197. Do you have to read up on leprechology before disbelieving in them?

Comment #199521 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 10:06 pm

That Garth has his head so far up his arse he's staring out of his mouth (I know, biologically impossible..)
He never pauses to think what religion might be doing - hell, it seems that some of those murderers who killed that Sikh liquor store owner were actually church going Christians. I know they were taught religion. He thinks religious extremism is the saviour of society without even pausing to think that maybe the malaise is not going to be sorted by the church (who fancy the souls they can save) but by working out what is wrong with some people. God isn't going to help anyone - people are, and they aren['t going to get anywhere using God to help them help others.
A fuckwit. He always was, by the sound of it. I'm swapping to the Dominion Post now...

198. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199518 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 9:59 pm

Used the search function in Arab News ("Man marries" in the search box). Some cracking ones there!

199. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199516 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 9:55 pm

KEYSAR TRAD: I certainly would not have entertained the thought of having a relationship without a religious marriage. Rather than entertain any thoughts of an affair, I thought the only decent thing to do was consider a proper commitment to that person.

ALISON CALDWELL: Hanefa Trad was asked if it was just about men wanting sex with more women.

HANEFA TRAD: Yes, it can be. But having it in the right way but doesn't happen it in like go to prostitute or just date and just go for a woman for one night and leave her.

Now this is champion! Can't make them sound more....stupid if I tried!

200. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #199513 by Goldy on June 25, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Senior leaders of the Islamic Community in Sydney are calling on the Australian Government to recognise polygamous marriage in order to protect the rights of women

Stunned ????????????????????????? from me!
EDIT
OK, allow polygamy. But also allow polyandry - and if the wife of a Muslim wants another man, he has to take it and love it :-) Or, indeed, if the wife wants another wife for herself :-D
I do love Muslim clerics - they just don't get this democracy stuff, eh? Demand, demand, demand without any thought for the consequences. We should encourage them more - they could back themselves into a corner and really fuck themselves :-). I have to laugh - all this pandering to them...and they just can't see the backlash coming their way!