151. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #188152 by Diacanu on June 3, 2008 at 9:24 am

I've argued with homophobic bigots before, and there's nothing new; all their arguments are the same; they're molecule-for-molecule clones of each other.
Every one of them has the same brain.
They're a hive mind.
I skim this shit, and it looks exactly like me fighting that other biblethumping conservative homophobe douche two years ago.

Depressing.

152. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187871 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 11:34 pm

Fanusi Khiyal-

non-patriachal societies

Define and identify one.

'The Return of Patriarchy',

I was unaware it ever left.

153. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187869 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 11:30 pm

Appleby-

You may call this homophobia or bigotry.

Okay.
:)

154. Storm erupts over 'virginity' divorce

Comment #187861 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 9:57 pm

Ah, THAT'S why this thread has been so popular, you guys have been batting a homophobe troll around.

Shit, 12 pages, too late for me to join in on the fun.

I avoided this one, cuz the title made me think it was about Gary Coleman's marriage.
:P

155. Physicist Claims First Real Demonstration of Cold Fusion

Comment #187780 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 4:15 pm

doreladam-

one must expend a lot of energy to dissociate H2O into H2 and O2.

Geothermal.

156. Physicist Claims First Real Demonstration of Cold Fusion

Comment #187761 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm

entheogensmurf-

Think of the devastation to the countries...

Um, that's pretty shitty to root for though.
I want to see the fall of the power OPEC, but wishing for the countries to be devastated?

That's like that nasty cold war hatred of Russia.
Oh, yaaay! Their economy collapsed and now all kinds of innocent mothers have to whore themselves to feed their children! Yaayyy!!!
Yuck. Come on.
That's awful.
And that's exactly what you're wishing for.

157. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187752 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 2:21 pm

Hmm, y'know what I think is the hangup of people who distrust science, be they creationist or not?

Mainstream folk have seen too many z-grade horror/sci-fi movies (and one is too many) where science invariably fails, and incorporate that into their cultural perception.

You know the ones, ghosts, or zombies, or vampires show the fuck up from wherever they come from, and the scientist is this bug eyed sweaty faced loser in a lab coat with a whiny voice who goes "but, but, zombies/ghosts/vampires are sciieeentifically impoooosible!! *shakes jowls, waves finger*".

Then the monster bites his throat out, and the bimbo and the hunk seek out the old crackpot with the bag full of garlic and stakes.

And the credulous viewer goes "yeah!! That's what a scientist WOULD do if the zombies/vampires/ghosts came!! I hate those guys! Damn snobs!!".

Or, you get the ones that buy into the luddite fears, where science IS the problem.
Like Temrinator, or all those ones where "oops, I dropped the petri dish full of airborne Super-AIDS!".

OR, you get the flat out religious ones, where DEMONS show up, and the demon eats the incredulous scientist, then Jesus shows up, and goes "tsshh, told ya so!".
Well, more or less.

Then, all it takes is alar in the apple juice, or Windows Vista sucking, and these people who took this stuff as well...gospel go "see? See? Just like (insert movie) said! Ya can't trust these goddamned science types!".
Then they take that attitude to the next luddite/Jesus/zombie-vampire-ghost movie.

And all this adds up, and they subliminally think this shit was real history.

Folks, movies are fake.
This shit didn't happen.
The Skynet war never comes, vampires and zombies ARE scientifically impossible, that's why you've never seen one, and if demons wanted to munch on The Wicked Doctor Dawkins, they would have by now.

158. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187743 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 1:59 pm

Here, txpiper, watch this.
It was literally made so even children can understand.

Designed and designoid objects.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8165848317250752475

159. Physicist Claims First Real Demonstration of Cold Fusion

Comment #187719 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 1:27 pm

F_A_F-

With the stranglehold that oil companies have on the world economy, you really think they would let cheap, easy energy leak onto the market?

So we find ways to fight 'em.
They're not gods.
Even God isn't God, or else we wouldn't be on this site.

160. Physicist Claims First Real Demonstration of Cold Fusion

Comment #187708 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 1:20 pm

A miniature version keeps my heart going.

I am Iron Man.

*Is rushed by reporters*

*Black Sabbath kicks in*

161. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187656 by Diacanu on June 2, 2008 at 12:29 pm

Exactly. That's how we ended up with evolution by Darwinian natural selection in the first place.

It was scrutinized like a motherfucker, and it held up.

There was no "evil conspiracy of god-haters", everyone wanted to believe the argument from design back then.

162. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187304 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 9:21 pm

txpiper-

having discovered that I was taken in by an ancient Hebrew conspiracy?

Yeah, pretty much.
Sorry.

The bible was written by desert loonies.
Mortal desert loonies.

Just like today's desert loonies.

Put nuclear weapons in the hands of Moses and/or King David, plop them into today's world, they'd turn New York into a crater.

Glad the fuckers are imaginary.

Keep reading that shit to your kids though.
Lovely little fables, really.
Chock full of family values.

163. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187303 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 9:13 pm

txpiper-

why genes that deliberately cause death and aging would have been added to our genome.

Aging and death aren't controlled by genes.
The gradual loss of telomeres is what slows down cell production, and thus aging.

The enemy here is chemistry and physics, not genes.

My reason for asking about this is that in view of the amazing tenacity of life, this seems like an extremely queer thing for mutations to produce and selection to retain.

Yes, it would be if that were the case.
It's not.

What are your thoughts about this?

You're an idiot.
A tiresome idiot.

164. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187302 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 9:03 pm

txpiper-

...belief in imaginary scenarios...

Like Noah's Ark, the Anti-Christ, and a magic weilding mystery designer you're terrified to name, but clearly is the madman god of the desert?

165. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187234 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 2:58 pm

Pick, pick, pick, run away.

166. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187229 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Oh, and txpiper, stop dodging the question, what mechanism did the designer use?

A shaft of sunlight through a pretty cloud, and choir music?

A kit of little molecular wrenches?

Come on, what does ID actually predict?

167. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187228 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 2:34 pm

txpiper-

But the real kicker here, is that you have this extremely improbable sequence of of lucky events happening in most any species that winds up isolated in a lightless environment. Obvioulsy, the odds are preposterously stacked against this.

If evolution required that these changes occur within months and weeks, you might have something, but, utter imbecile that you keep making of yourself, you refuse to wrap your narrow-focused little mind around the geological time scales involved.

168. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187224 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 2:28 pm

txpiper-

...cause people to believe ridiculous things..

Like Noah's Ark, that anti-christ, and a "designer", who used magic?

169. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187181 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 12:19 pm

MaxD-

Txpiper,
What is your degree in again?

He's an engineer.
Of toy trains.
:P

170. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #187177 by Diacanu on June 1, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Creationists are obsessed with "accidental", "random", and "chance", I notice.

They need to be.
It's a philosophical thing.
Which admits their crap isn't science.

Evolutionary theorists have their hands full in explaining how DNA, RNA, proteins and enzymes (most of which are proteins) ever formed in the first place.

As has been pointed out to you endlessly, that's the feild of ambiogenesis.
I'm sure you'll ignore it again.

Worse than that, they have to talk how these things function without using the word "intelligence".

Where did the "intelligence", come from?

So, do you want to discuss, Noah's Ark, the anti-christ, and the nature of the so-called designer yet?

Surely you have the intellectual vigor to justify your literal belief in your favorite fairy tales?

171. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186872 by Diacanu on May 31, 2008 at 2:20 pm

Oh, I know!
He won't answer me or Rev cuz he's marginalized us in his mind and posting attitude as cranks.

Everyone, shut down this endless evolution loop, everyone ask him about his religion.

See if he sticks in the fray.

Hey, txpiper, how about Noah's Ark?
How about the super powered Anti-Christ?
What instrumentality did the intelligent designer use?

172. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186870 by Diacanu on May 31, 2008 at 2:09 pm

Teratornis-

Define "consumed." Is Richard Dawkins "consumed" by the atheism topic?

Yeah, but this is an atheism forum.

Why do you choose this particular venue as your bullhorn?

173. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186868 by Diacanu on May 31, 2008 at 2:01 pm

Course, I'm aware creationists are aware of this threat to their reinforced delusion, I'm blabbing no state secrets, that's why we have this whole casting doubt on evolution campaign as a counter-offensive to have to eyeroll through.

But, we have evidence, they don't.

They never will.

And they know it.

That's why you see the slipperyness that txpiper displays in this thread.

Pick, pick, pick at evolution, run away when asked about religion.

Pick, pick, pick, run away.
Pick, pick, pick, run away.

Go ahead, watch him do it, even after I've pointed it out, he can't not do it.

174. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186866 by Diacanu on May 31, 2008 at 1:50 pm

Hmm, going back to childhood indoctrination, no other childhood belief works this way.

Parents tell you about the boogeyman, you figure out it's bullshit, and grow out of it.

Likwise Santa, likewise the Tooth Fairy, likewise the Easter bunny, likewise the Septic Tank Monster.

It's gotta be the reinforcement by other adults.

If some kid refused to let go of Santa belief, and his parents indulged it into his adulthood, and he found other adult Santa freaks, well, you'd have yourself a little club of such people.
and if you could get that little club to grow, bam, a religion of Santaists.

Wheras, normal parents finally go "...sorry Billy, there's no Santa, your dad ate the cookies and milk, and I bought the presents".

And it stops.

And if it doesn't, the ridicule from other children ensues.

So yeah, it all comes down to modeling, and conformity.
That's what the deep compulsion is.

We gotta keep the ridicule going in the discourse 'til it's the norm.
There's no fuckin' Santa.
Enough already.

175. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186862 by Diacanu on May 31, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Reverend Shayne Dark-

Oh that's right. You don't have any. Only incredulity and biblical creation.

And hypocritical blind credulity to biblical creation given there's jack and shit for evidence.

That's the part I can't get mentally ahold of yet.

Mountains of evidence for evolution, mountainous threads explaining this shit "duhhh, nope, nope, nope, nooope!!".

Someone tells you middle eastern fairy tales as a youngster "duurrpp! Makes total sense! I'll hang onto this shit like my life depends on it!".

I can understand the stubborn incredulity once you're indoctrinated with the religious shit, I can't fathom the credulity that one lets that religious stuff slurp into their head without the slightest skepticism filter in the first place.

Yeah, I get it when you're a kid, cuz kids believe whatever adults tell them.

And I get it when a stupid illiterate adult swallows it, because they're effectively neurological children.

I don't get the grown people with otherwise functioning minds who can waste so many braincells defending this stuff, but REFUSE to turn that scrutiny back on religion.

All they have in the end is "I WANT to believe it, leave me alone!".

But, they know "WANT", doesn't cut shit, so they darent even say it.

It's clearly some sort of deep compulsion that ingrains deeper than conscious thought.

The human brain is a funky thing.

176. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186655 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Teratornis-

The only world any of us will see is the real world.

And given that there's no such thing as fate, that world is what we make of it.

177. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186640 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 10:23 pm

Quine-

Hear hear!!

178. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186629 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:46 pm

Teratornis-

but none of us will ever see our ideal world.

*Smirk*
Not with that attitude.

179. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186624 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:32 pm

txpiper-

I don't believe that...

That's your whole argument.
That's all you have, that's all you're going to have.

180. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186622 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:26 pm

Txpiper-

Then I do wish Prof. Steele success in furthering his research.

I do as well,

Boolsheet!

To quote the good Reverend quoting you...

Well wouldn't I be rude to dismantle evolution and offer nothing sane to believe in?

I believe things are in descent having begun in perfection. Evolution is trying to say that organisms have ascended to where they are now from a single cell by way of mutations. I believe living organisms are in a downward spiral.

'Nother liar for Jesus.

181. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186618 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:13 pm

Gravity is even older and dustier!

Let's get rid of that shit, I wanna fly!!

182. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186605 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 8:21 pm

:)

183. Senate bill allows display of Lord's Prayer, 10 Commandments

Comment #186604 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm

njwong-

The style is just too tedious for me.

Funny, it scratched me everywhere I was itching.
It was like cool soothing lotion on my inflamed and irritated brain.
To each his own, I guess.

184. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186597 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 7:44 pm

Teratornis-

I'd take a world in which everybody stopped driving cars and became a creationist over any world in which everybody drives cars. Just in terms of which behavior is the more objectively destructive.

I'll take the world full of electric car driving atheists, thanks.

Have no use at all for the first choice, and we agree the second one won't last much longer.

185. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186592 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 7:26 pm

Teratornis-

Alright, I'll just tackle this particular bit that grated on my nervous system like sandpaper.

Peak oil is a far greater threat than creationism.

With you so far...

If you don't believe that is true, please show your work. Civilization survived for thousands of years despite creationism being the dominant point of view.

A stultified stagnant civilization in relation to what I'd accept, but sure...

There is nothing to suggest creationism has lately become a greater threat. Even if creationists imposed a theocracy and forced everybody to go to church and praise Jesus, so what?

....huh??

Science is the only thing that can save us, because the human mind is the only one looking out for us.

If religion destoyed science, then humanity would be signing it's own death warrant.

Religion has NO answers for survival.
Quite the opposite.
The Heaven bullshit is to steel one for early death in a dark ages hellhole world.

And you say "so what"???

I did that sort of thing for years, and it didn't kill me.

It'd kill me.
I know better. And I'm never going to un-know better, nor have the desire to.
I'd be living a lie all day.
I'd go nuts pretty fucking quick.
Only thing that'd keep me sane is a plan of busting out, or mounting a resistance.
Nothing, and I mean nothing about the religious life appeals to me.
Hey, if it was no biggie for you mindlessly going through those motions, whippy-dee, I'm just wired different I guess.

Church was one of the best places to meet women I ever experienced, so it's not all bad.

Again, whippy dee.
I'd have nothing in common with the delusional.
And I'm not attracted to people I have nothing in common with.
And I have no particular desire to spread my genes with people I have no attraction to.
I'd essentially be shooting my seed into a heated hole to make critters that look like me, and nothing more.
Shit, insects can do that.
Big deal.
No thanks.

All you have to do is pretend to go along with the nonsense,

Mmmm...no.

Again, only if I were biding my time to hatch a scheme.

and if it's easy enough for the preacher to do, it's easy enough for anybody. It's not as if religious people are exactly skeptical (which makes them highly susceptible to "affinity scams" by the way).

...so...what are you saying? Become the scammer?

As I have written, in the vast majority of everyday decisions, and even in most scientific decisions, it simply doesn't matter whether a person believes the Earth is 6000 years old.

*Shrug*
Matters to me, I know better.
I can't un-know it.

Yes, people CAN go through their meager and meaningless little lives punching clocks, and buying sugary treats, without this knowledge.

But, if that's the gold standard, let's have anything that makes the trains run on time.
Let's have 1984, or Brave New World.

No thanks.

Once the higher brain came along life became more than just keeping meat alive.

Maybe you could be happy being just animated meat, I dunno.
*Shrug*

If it did matter, then creationism couldn't hang around. Creationists wouldn't be able to find jobs, start companies, win sports championships, become billionaires, etc.

*Shrug*
Don't much care.

I don't base my admiration or respect of people by bank accounts.

Yeah, I know the point you're making is a utilitarian one, I'm just saying.

Drug kingpins rake in dough, that doesn't mean drug dealing is a super-duper survival strategy, so let's all sell drugs.

I went from creationism to atheism, and it would be hard to tell from most of my observable behavior.

Well, I've always defined myself as/by my mind, and my thinking, it's my identity, it's the core of my existence. Religion seeks to destroy the mind, and thus everything I define myself by.

Stifle and imprison my mind, and you've as good as killed me.

I will not live as a husk, and that's what I'll go down swinging to prevent, even with my meager talents.

186. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186588 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 6:13 pm

There, now was that so hard?
;)

187. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186581 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 5:38 pm

Teratornis-

Dire projections do not frighten me. They only motivate me to go down fighting.

Well, okay then, that's all I wanted to hear.

Depending on your reaction, I had a whole long speech of my own that essentially boiled down to that.

Buuut, nevermind.....

Oh wait..

In the end, we will all go down anyway. Imagine, someday, your bones might be on display in some museum, or maybe some animals will be gnawing on them, and then all your hopes and fears and dreams and goals will mean absolutely squat.

Well, there you go getting all bleak again...

Anyway, back to this..

What's your plan for when oil prices reach $200/bbl? Then $300/bbl? $400/bbl? I mean your plan as an individual, not your plan for what whole countries should do.

*Shrug*
No fuckin' idea.
Kind of crossing my fingers for scientists to provide the alternative energy sources, frankly.

What should I do?

Build a fear bunker like some survivalist douchebag?

Rely on my non-skills as a gardener to fill my pampered western belly?

One good freak Maine frost in springtime, boom, dead.

The only skills I have are in my brain, and the only ones of those I have that are developed to full power are my creative imagination and wit.

So, I can be an idea man, but that's about it.
I can write a science fiction story about a positive future, but someone who's good with tools has to build it.

*Shrug*

Not the answer you probably wanted, but...meh.

188. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186569 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 4:28 pm

Sorry, Teratornis, you're a bright guy, but your language is often laced with defeatism, and that gets my back up.

189. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186559 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 3:28 pm

Teratornis-

Perhaps my view of creationists is slightly more nuanced than that of many on this site, because I used to be one.

Well, then give us something we can USE, give us insight into the creationist mind, arm us with knowledge, hand us tools instead of scolding rhetoric.

Telling us the sky is falling does nothing to help.

190. Louisiana's latest creationism bill moves to House floor

Comment #186554 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 3:10 pm

*Sardonic smirk*
Knew he'd work peak oil into it.

191. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186542 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 2:53 pm

I think the stubborn IDiots who come here determined not to learn anything come here as someone upthread said, into the den of hellfire, to deliberately test their skills at slithering free from logic like Houdini out of restraints.

It's a trial of their faith, like an African tribesman leaping over the big bonfire without burning his ass.

They KNOW they're avoiding reality, but they get a sick kind of rush out of it.

192. Synthetic Copycat Of Living Cell Underway: Life, But Not As We Know It?

Comment #186491 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 11:03 am

KRKBAB-

Those "capsule like structures" look too clean and perfect.

I dunno, maybe that's good.
Maybe the blue cheese doodles will do a better job when they inherit the earth.

Oh and welcome, fellow Mainuh.
;)

193. Senate bill allows display of Lord's Prayer, 10 Commandments

Comment #186488 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 10:58 am

Divineosaur-

then why are these politicians so afraid of what the constituency thinks?

Really. What do they think'll happen, the biblethumpers will riot?

And if so, this just further reinforces my assertion that religion NEVER earns its place, it always bullies and intimidates.

Religion never has a cogent and logically persuasive argument, it's always that we're dragging these superstitions like a weight on our leg because of FEAR of what the YA-FUCKING-HOOS will do.

194. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186482 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 10:48 am

D'oh!
Dammit, Phil Rimmer, why did you delete your original post? It was good!

Plus, I wanted to expand on your point about txpiper not being able to understand a process unless he anthropomorphises it.

Txpiper, do you think the foodstuffs in your refrigerator spring into animation and sing and dance when you close the door?

You have about as much evidence for believing in that as there is for religion; so if not, why not?

You may find this a facetious example, but seriously, where's the cutoff point for what's too silly to believe?

195. Car dealership advert tells atheists to 'shut up'

Comment #186465 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 10:14 am

steveroot-

Well,there you go.
That would seem to be God's final word on the matter.
He hates christian bigots, and loves atheists.
Therefore, he doesn't exist.

196. Senate bill allows display of Lord's Prayer, 10 Commandments

Comment #186464 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 10:10 am

Hmm, I think I'm more unsettled by the precident this sets for the definition of "historical documents".

I thought historical documents always meant the documents themselves.
Like the original declaration of independance and constitution.

Not translated reproductions.

To have the real ten commandemtns, someone would have to find the ark of the covenant.

197. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186442 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:41 am

txpiper-

....selection will make a decision...

Yeah, I nailed the intellectual age at 2 alright.

198. Senate bill allows display of Lord's Prayer, 10 Commandments

Comment #186424 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:18 am

Zoron-

What Al-Rawandi said.
:/

199. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #186416 by Diacanu on May 30, 2008 at 9:10 am

MaxD-

Well isn't that precious. I know people who believe they have been abducted by aliens. Their evidence for this proposition is as good as yours for "created in perfection." By that of course I mean it is non-existent.

He believes it, because he believes it.

And he believes it, because he believes it.

And he believes it, because he believes it, and he believes it, because he believes it, and he.....

Try to wedge anything into that endless loop and you get "*ears plugged* lalalalalala..".

But isn't it cute how people like that prance and preen and essentially go "look at me use big words! I'm an intellectual!".

It's like a 2 year old in his daddy's shoes, and a grease paint mustache.

200. Synthetic Copycat Of Living Cell Underway: Life, But Not As We Know It?

Comment #186214 by Diacanu on May 29, 2008 at 11:42 pm

mordacious1-

Uh oh. Synthetic biology. This ain't gonna make the xians happy.

Then it's literally impossible to make xians happy, because tissue grafts from synthetic cells would be the surefire showstopper to the ethical debate over stemcells.

So um...if they object um....fuck 'em.
*Shrug*
People who can't be apeased need to be ignored.