151. Beauty ad banned after Christian outcry

Comment #142395 by Logicel on March 12, 2008 at 12:45 pm

...including one from the Archdeacon of Liverpool, objecting that the ads were offensive to the Christian faith.

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And his point is?

152. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141745 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:46 am

...abortion, which offended "the dignity and rights of women"...
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I agree absolutely as I consider a rusty clothes hanger thrust up a woman to be very dignified instead of having access to legal, safe ELECTIVE abortions which are just so undignified.

Bunch of demented fuckwits that need every last bit of power stripped from their immoral hands.

Take a wild guess, what part of a women controlling her body do these dangerous morons don't like? Here's a hint, it begins with a c, same letter that begins the word, competition.

153. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141733 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:34 am

As for the article: Put a fork in it, the Catholic Church is done.

154. Seven new deadly sins: are you guilty?

Comment #141728 by Logicel on March 11, 2008 at 6:31 am

Not surprisingly, I made the 9th level, probably because I am a rude native New Yorker who chooses to live in France:

Ninth Level of Hell - Cocytus

This is the deepest level of hell, where the fallen angel Satan himself resides. His wings flap eternally, producing chilling cold winds that freeze the thick ice found in Cocytus. The three faces of Satan, black, red, and yellow, can be seen with mouths gushing bloody foam and eyes forever weeping, as they chew on the three traitors, Judas, Brutus, and Cassius. This place is furthest removed from the source of all light and warmth. Sinners here are frozen deep in the ice, faces out, eyes and mouths frozen shut. Traitors against God, country, family, and benefactors lament their sins in this frigid pit of despair.

An OK place for the likes of me, as I prefer icy climes over hot ones, but the mouth being frozen will need to be changed (as I adore talking and eating, among other things).

155. Lords Approve Abolition Of Blasphemy

Comment #140244 by Logicel on March 7, 2008 at 4:24 am

Lord Hailsham, bouncing up and down like an electrified blancmange, as was his wont,...
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Morgan would be welcomed at my home for drinks for that precious line alone. I got this image of electrified blancmange in my mind now, and it won't leave me alone. Every time I see in my mind this insipidly bland pudding jump with fright and horror from its cozy bowl, I collapse in shrieking laughter.

I wonder if the good Lord Morgan then fell into a satisfying slumber after his literary exertions? And if he did, then I am the first to say it was a very well deserved sleep.

156. Bulldozers tear down giant religious teapot

Comment #138947 by Logicel on March 5, 2008 at 1:27 am

Members and visitors to the commune believe that water from the teapot, which poured into the giant vase, held purifying powers.
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How does the water get poured into the giant vase? Is there a water pump at the base of the very long spout? If it is a miracle, think of the riches the Malaysian government can harness by renting their teapot out to the world.

Believers who emphasize the ecumenical approach drive me nuts which I refer to as let's all serve up the same warmed-up crap to everyone, let's revert to the worst common denominator, let's stew in our stagnated juices and rot for all eternity.

157. Church exhumes Padre Pio

Comment #138430 by Logicel on March 4, 2008 at 10:04 am

Put a fork in it, the Catholic Church is done.

158. Fleas on the Horizon: In Defense of God

Comment #138173 by Logicel on March 4, 2008 at 3:04 am

clodhopper wrote: Would that be 'winsome' as in 'sweetly or innocently charming'?
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No, it is winsome as in the crucifixes hanging on the walls of Christian homes and churches, with their man-god in great, bleeding pain just so their mythical 'sin' will be washed away in his blood sacrifice. Winsome as in death cult, winsome as in embracing nonsense, winsome as in total waste of human creativity, ability, and time. With winsome like that, we need some unwholesomeness in buckets, please.

159. It's Make Believe!

Comment #137502 by Logicel on March 3, 2008 at 2:20 am

Carlin is so sharp that when he does get sloppily 'soft' it just leaps up at you.

However, he is mostly in top form, and this part of the special shows his genius (United Strokes of America with the Statue of Liberty jerking off Uncle Sam):
http://atheistmedia.blogspot.com/2008/03/george-carlin-on-heaven-and-hell.html

160. A natural phenomenon

Comment #137492 by Logicel on March 3, 2008 at 1:57 am

He will continue to make TV programmes (including a series about Darwin), but his days of going on location, of getting urinated on by birds, pooed on by bats or having a Mozambican cobra spit venom in his eye, are over. Attenborough will never whisper from the bushes again.

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milt, it says that right in this article!

161. Rock-Bottom Loser Entertaining Offers From Several Religions

Comment #137062 by Logicel on March 2, 2008 at 9:07 am

...which has offered a comprehensive package of everything and nothing.
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That just about sums up religious 'truth.'

162. Interview with Richard Dawkins

Comment #134669 by Logicel on February 28, 2008 at 4:57 am

The interviewer was so boringly trite that even hearing Dawkins doing his usual excellent 'routine' could not keep me awake. I shut it off after a minute.

163. The Giant Tortoise's Tale

Comment #133861 by Logicel on February 27, 2008 at 1:41 am

Ooooh, a barefooted Dawkins!

Not only factually presented, but also 'fractally':

Archipelagoes within archipelagoes

Islands within islands.

164. The Encyclopedia of Life, No Bookshelf Required

Comment #133858 by Logicel on February 27, 2008 at 1:12 am

This may sound nutty, but most people want to reach some kind of milestone before they die, and for me it was to be part of a global, user-generated network (this was my fondest dream over 30 years ago when I was studying McLuhan and getting bowled over by what many now consider to be the print precedent of what we have in the net, Brand's Whole Earth Catalog).

So being the weirdo that I am, I often muse out loud, I can die happy now because we have the Net. That's when the folks next to me on the bus or train move on over to some vacant seat, somewhat far from little ole me.

165. Pakistan blocks YouTube over blasphemous video

Comment #133321 by Logicel on February 26, 2008 at 4:08 am

rod-the-farmer, did you use this email address: Submit an article for the front page by sending an email with the information to: articles@richarddawkins.net

166. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132956 by Logicel on February 25, 2008 at 12:58 pm

Those are quite a lot of books decrying the 'new atheism.' Quantity can't trump quality though.

This author is focusing on the audacity of atheists of stating outright that religion can be dangerous (how can anybody doubt that, were they in a coma the day the World Trade Center was destroyed by devoted religious believers?)

Oh my, criticizing their beliefs is the equivalent of being a Stalin or a Hitler?

This loss of esteem and respect for their beliefs is earth-shattering for them. I thought God was enough for them? Not a single of the well known atheists writing have ever said anything in terms of depriving folks the right to worship.

They have no arguments against our stance. There I said it. They have none at present.

Here's a 'rabid' excerpt from TGD: I suspect - well, I am sure - that there are lots of people out there who have been brought up in some religion or other, are unhappy in it, don't believe it, or are worried about the evils that are done in its name; people who feel vague yearnings to leave their parents' religion and wish they could, but just don't realize that leaving is an option. If you are one of them, this book is for you. It is intended to raise consciousness - raise consciousness to the fact that to be an atheist is a realistic aspiration, and a brave and splendid one. You can be an atheist who is happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled.

So what is it about being happy, balanced, moral, and intellectually fulfilled that is being the equivalent of being a Stalinist? Why would this state of affairs be a state that any decent human wouldn't want to encourage?

167. Fleabytes

Comment #132090 by Logicel on February 24, 2008 at 6:28 am

I am disappointed in our low level of masochism. Why stop at Robertson? Invite also McGrath and the other two fleas against whom P. Kirby presented her rebuttals with admirable skill.

As for this thread, some thoughtful posts managed to withstand a bevy of beery burps most likely triggered by watching sports on the telly.

Geoff, thanks for the Allen link, love that guy and somehow missed that clip.

Epeeist, damg, I loved that quip regarding female logic and P and Q. Cute.

168. The Lava Lizard's Tale

Comment #131666 by Logicel on February 23, 2008 at 1:24 am

26. Comment #131067 by kennykyles on February 21, 2008 at 9:34 pm
Marvellous. The style and presentation harks back to an earlier time when content was king.
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I agree. Josh did well with this vblog. I, for one, think this site needs more original content. With my Newsreader, I catch about 50% of the non-original articles which are posted here (so this site is still quite valuable in that regard). However, original content is what the 'eyeballs' want.

I enjoyed the opportunity to see some marvelous landscape and to hear once again Dawkins' superb handle on regarding the role of time in evolution. I particularly appreciated the simile used for the day-long lava flow--what an artist can accomplish with her brush, an activity with we can visualize easily. This easily understandable perspective is a bridge on which we can stand so we can begin to understand a time span that exceeds our own, the time span in which evolution happened.

169. DLD08 - Life: a gene-centric view

Comment #130618 by Logicel on February 21, 2008 at 2:46 am

Though Dawkins and Venter were wonderful with their discussing of ideas, Brockman, with his 'laymen' perspective, although quite intellectual, grounded the discussion. Brockman was an asset to the scientists' chat.

I am really warming up to Venter; he reminds me of a lumbering bear, shuffling around, and then with concentrated determination, ruffles up a bee hive and leaves with the honey.

My two fave lines of his from this vid:

We can't play God if there is no God. (Can you get any more brilliant than that!!! Cuts right through the religites' crapola)

Pinker thought evolution has stopped because he has spent so much time at an university. (Venter's independence and business skills help him to sharpen his edge)

170. Fleabytes

Comment #129685 by Logicel on February 19, 2008 at 1:07 pm

I am still reading this article, but I want to say I got goose bumps reading this! Such a lovely sustained flow of well presented thought. Kudos!

I regard the religites' blathering about how we are made in God's image as their meaning that we have eternal souls (whatever that bit of fluff means). Humans are therefore not just animals.

171. Fleabytes

Comment #129681 by Logicel on February 19, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Leaving to one side the sheer audacity of Wee Flea, of all people, complaining about being patronised, let's get one thing straight: David Robertson, this paragraph is not about you. TGD is not about you. The universe was not created with you in mind. Of course our identity is bound up with all our choices, preferences and beliefs. All of them â€" which football team we support, our favourite composer, our preferred holiday destination, whether we take sugar in our coffee - form part of who we are. Yet it would be ludicrous to suggest that no one should be allowed to write anything that is in opposition to our own preferences, for fear of causing us offence; and equally ludicrous to suggest that religion should be granted special status in this regard. When Robertson writes in his book that atheists have a "profoundly depressing" view of the world, I would challenge that on the basis of reality, not on the basis that my identity is bound up with my atheism and that he's therefore offending and patronising me.
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Simply excellent!

172. Why do we believe in God? 2m study prays for answer

Comment #129433 by Logicel on February 19, 2008 at 6:07 am

The Templeton Foundation has a dubious reputation; their focus is to present religion in a favorable light. It is not necessary for them to do the impossible which is to prove God's existence, but instead, to establish that religion is not just an evolutionary byproduct, harmful or not, but something in itself that has an evolutionary advantage.

173. Atheists An Increasingly Outspoken Minority

Comment #129281 by Logicel on February 19, 2008 at 12:31 am

Hanson is wrong. America is not a safe place for many to come out and declare their lack of belief. Atheists coming out because of the Christians invading the secular nature of government is valid. In addition, the outspokenness of atheism is in large part because of the net, not only because of chats, forums and blogs, but because of videos, audios, and artwork, cartoons, etc.

174. Atheists An Increasingly Outspoken Minority

Comment #129278 by Logicel on February 19, 2008 at 12:27 am

I place my trust on all those swirling atoms that seem to annoy religionists so much--with those around, anything is possible.

175. Archbishop's 8 March centennial message: Let Sharia Law govern women's lives, Amen!

Comment #128670 by Logicel on February 17, 2008 at 2:38 pm

In fact it only exposes his ignorance.

It seems that Williams' state of shock was triggered by his disbelief that his words were so 'misunderstood.' Sigh. Are Christians so focused on imaginary sin that they are impervious to when they truly commit egregious acts like this pathetic man stating his pathetic words? Do they feel no shame for their lack of knowledge, sensitivity, and fairness?

176. The argument from oranges

Comment #128463 by Logicel on February 17, 2008 at 4:19 am

I envision an American theocracy where all its international transportation hubs will have mobile food carts piled high with peanut butter/banana/orange sandwiches (in the shape of a fish) of which mandatory consumption is required in order for one to step upon the sacred theocratic soil. The ingestion of such iron-clad proof of the existence of God will be sufficient to nip in the (taste) bud any propagation of atheism.

177. A match made on RichardDawkins.net?

Comment #128446 by Logicel on February 17, 2008 at 2:58 am

I am so excited and pleased for you two--now I no longer need to keep my yap closed about this great news!

I am pleased as punch that V will be much closer geographically to me now and looking forward to visiting with you both.

Congratulations, my funny, intelligent, courageous friends!

178. Smaller Version of the Solar System Is Discovered

Comment #128088 by Logicel on February 16, 2008 at 4:50 am

Tooltroll (Comment #20), you made my day! Hilarious.

But if FRESH tripe is malodourous, I would hate to smell beyond-its-due-date tripe. (I have only cautiously peered at tripe wrapped in vacuum sealed plastic in the meat counter, never smelled or tasted it)

Astronomy has come a long way, baby.

179. Ayaan Hirsi Ali asks for protection

Comment #127968 by Logicel on February 15, 2008 at 8:15 pm

Finally, something that BHL does about which I can feel positive.

180. A Tyrannical Romance

Comment #126521 by Logicel on February 13, 2008 at 12:21 pm

Olivia Judson is an evolutionary biologist with flair--if you use a Newsreader, make sure you subscribe to her informative and enjoyable blog, The Wild Side (link provided in above article).

Though I throughly enjoyed the 'avianlanche' of puns, this comment (out of about 50 so far) at the article's original site had me in complete stitches:

Do we really have to know all this stuff? I mean, what’s it all got to do with St. Valentine’s day? I mean, all this anatomical business;�"it’s a turn-off, you ask me.

Now don’t get me wrong, I like dinos, like reading about ‘em, watching ‘em on TV. It’s just that, well, based on what I’ve seen and read about ‘em, romance just wasn’t part of their everday life.
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movingshadow, your LOLdino is excellent!

181. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #126330 by Logicel on February 13, 2008 at 2:03 am

Niel Crafford, Atheist Alliance has this feature to help organize atheists all around the world: http://www.atheistalliance.org/outreach/index.php

I hope this helps. Also contact this site (Dawkins) by email and ask if DVDs can be bought at an discount, etc.

Hang in there, and you find a solution to your problems.

182. Charles Simonyi Professorship in the Public Understanding of Science

Comment #125828 by Logicel on February 12, 2008 at 5:57 am

Other possibilities are Jerry Coyne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Coyne) and Michio Kaku (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michio_Kaku)

How ridiculously ageist it is to have an mandatory retirement from an academic position!

Of course, Richard is going continue his work via his wonderful foundations. Who needs Academia.

183. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #125756 by Logicel on February 12, 2008 at 1:45 am

Really enjoyed reading all our cards!!!

How nice it would be instead of Halloween (or in addition to it, since it can be so much fun), to have D-Day evolve where folks go around dressed up as the creatures we have evolved from, where community halls would have delightful interactive learning 'seminars', etc. (welcome any ideas).

It was hard to pick a fave, but this is mine so far:
http://media.richarddawkins.net/images/2008/darwinday/028_Sarah.jpg

184. Bill Maher on Larry King Live

Comment #125741 by Logicel on February 12, 2008 at 1:07 am

Despite not being a Maher fan, he did good with this interview.

Steve Novella MD, who writes the NeuroLogica blog has assembled up a stable of medical writers at a newer blog which is excellent (good discussion in the comments also):

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/

They debunked the anti-vaccination crowd thoroughly (check the archives).

The 'failing' that I see in science-based medicine is that it is just learning how to tailor custom its practice to individuals, for example, how to get the dose of medicine to be optimal for each patient--many of the untoward reactions and waste of medicinal resources would be decreased with the implementation of this angle.

Claiming that medicine focuses on the elimination of all disease is a fallacy. Having been trained in science-based medicine, I would agree that this was the focus under which I was taught: Medicine is the science and "art" of maintaining and/or restoring human health through the study, diagnosis, and treatment of patients. (from Wikipedia). Note not a mention of the word disease.

A fit gene is a gene that allows the organism to reproduce in its environment. Once the environment can be changed, as it has been via medical breakthroughs, those people are now fit to survive in that environment.

185. 10 cc of atheism

Comment #124823 by Logicel on February 10, 2008 at 10:29 am

Ah, how nice to hear Laurie doing an American accent--he speaks better American English than his co-actors!!! (I watch in France, so I hear House speak French, which is a hoot also).

Great dialogue (and sarah95 thanks for your link and I have subscribed).

186. The challenge of finding peace in Lourdes

Comment #124817 by Logicel on February 10, 2008 at 10:18 am

He rubbed his temples vigorously in the manner of a man who is relentlessly tortured by his own brain activity.
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Hilarious. Vigorously rubbing one's forehead is a sign of being at peace? Isn't that what religion is being touted as, as a salve against tribulations? Sounds like this guy will know a helluva lotta of more peace by ditching his superstitions.

And with friends like Father Bob, one need not be concerned about staving off demons, because you got one right next to you.

187. Battle of the Chambersburg billboards

Comment #124812 by Logicel on February 10, 2008 at 10:08 am

American atheists are finding a political voice via the Secular Coalition: http://www.secular.org/index.html

Discrimination can be reported and action alerts will be emailed if requested. And of course they accept donations if you have any spare cash sloshing about.

American conservative Christians must be challenged on the political front. The more bleating and whining they squeak out about how criticism is really oppression is proof that their strangle hold on critical opposition is eroding. The poor babies--I hear baby Jesus sobbing as I post this.

188. The Passion of 'Anonymous'

Comment #124789 by Logicel on February 10, 2008 at 9:02 am

Scientology regards psychology as a rival religion. As other religions in the past have tried to obliterate their religious rivals, so are the Scientologists. Cruise, in particular, seems to be the main 'crusader' in this regard.

Psychology's depth and accuracy is improving because of evolutionary psychology, while Scientology's 'scientific edge' is dissolving into a puddle of pus. I would also be jealous if I was them.

189. Why Darwin matters

Comment #124320 by Logicel on February 9, 2008 at 5:06 am

Superb article.

Understanding its cold, beautiful logic is a must.
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And thanks to Dawkins, I do. I was one of those people who did misunderstand such terms as selfish, fittest, mostly because of the sloppy way evolution was taught. Now, I can read many interesting articles on evolution brought to me fresh by my Google Reader each and every day. Just delightful. I am looking forward to learning more about that marvelous scientific theory/fact, evolution.

190. Sharia law in UK is 'unavoidable'

Comment #124300 by Logicel on February 9, 2008 at 4:05 am

Thanks, AllanW for that link. Spot on excerpt:

Many commentators are mistakenly seeing demands like the Archbishop's as “liberal�, “progressive� or “PC gone mad�. They are anything but.

Properly understood, the effect of devolving national law and national morality to local and group level is profoundly conservative. Dr Williams's ideas really represent the wilder fringes of a bigger idea: communitarianism. Communitarianism can come in a surplice, a yarmulka or from a minaret and is all the more dangerous because armed with a divine rather than a local loyalty. It almost always proves a repressive and reactionary force, fearful of competitors, often anti-science, sometimes sceptical of knowledge itself, and grudging towards the State.
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Vaneigem, no, the folks that run this site are not ignorant, unless you call the posting of thousands of varied articles within a year an ignorant activity.

Here is the address posted by Josh in his update log: Please send all article submissions to articles@richarddawkins.net. From now on, please do not send articles to the 'design' email address. This will help us keep things organized. Thanks!

Here is Josh's update log (I just noticed it today): http://richarddawkins.net/updateLog

191. Ad 'likely to offend gay people'

Comment #123404 by Logicel on February 7, 2008 at 5:30 am

To those who are thinking DavidJMH is a Christian, be it known that he has presented himself as an atheist, occasionally posting here since the inception of this site around a year ago. He has expressed his distorted opinion between the connection of homosexuality and the fall of civilization before, hardly ever responding to the excellent rebuttals his nonsense triggers. And here he is yet again, trotting out the same tired crapola. How sad it is to see an atheist so deluded.

Excellent suggestion of flagging his comment as offensive--I shall do that right now.

192. God-Man and Human-Man Team Up

Comment #121199 by Logicel on February 3, 2008 at 5:02 am

Fantastic! I love it: "worst...super-hero...partner...ever!"

God-Man needs to be sent to a workshop on improving his hero skills, because at this point God-Man is so useless he might as well be non-existent. Since a majority of humans insist that he does indeed exist, God-Man better start beefing up his hero skills because maybe even those hard-liners will start doubting his existence.

193. Documents detail church coverup

Comment #120786 by Logicel on February 2, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Epeeist, spot on!

Quill, The Catholic Church has been habituated to getting away with their crap for so long, why would they think to be careful in covering up their tracks? However, the times have changed, and they got caught.

Reached at his Mayville home this week, Becker said he believed that his rights - both the constitutional rights afforded every citizen and church law protections for a priest - have been violated.
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church law protections? What is this piece of sh't referring to? Something like diplomatic impunity?

194. Atheism and Violence

Comment #118342 by Logicel on January 30, 2008 at 3:50 pm

After a few paragraphs, it became clear that the author is just another verbose, intellectually deficit, snobby, aloof Jesuit, boring the reader with the odd, mental contortions that so afflict his religious order.

Some religites get huffy when their monopoly on morality is challenged, while others like this pathetic Jesuit get absolutely bug-eyed with indignant rage when their make-believe grasp of intellectual reality is ripped to shreds. This Jesuit's anger is palpable.

This guy's Occam's Razor must be in the shop getting sharpened.

195. Banned From Church

Comment #115290 by Logicel on January 24, 2008 at 12:08 am

an older woman was confused and thought the church had voted to send the man to hell.
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Well, I don't think the bible forbids creepy Christians to be democratic!

What happened to the free will and love that Christians bleat about all the time? Shunning is sure an odd way of showing love and allowing free will.

This elderly lady's confronting her disgraceful treatment is similar to gays trying to get church officials to accept their right to be gay and Christian. Instead of leaving in a huff, they waste further energy in fighting these pathetically rigid control freaks. Their confrontation shows how great their need is to be part of the church. It takes two to tango. So this pastor is only doing his job, and his parishioner is only doing her job--a match made in heaven!

196. Mandrake: Charles's letter in support of Islamic 'fundamentalism'

Comment #113765 by Logicel on January 20, 2008 at 1:24 pm

Just think of the extra perks resulting from doing away with the British monarchy--no more nauseating, despicable, professional 'Royal Watchers!'

When an elderly British relative explained that she loves to read about the doings of the Royal Family because they represent continuity to her, I advised her to spend some time in front of a mirror and realize that she, herself, being the offspring of successful ancestors, is proof of the continuity pudding, with no need to stuff herself gluttonously with servings of the Royal version.

197. Huckabee Wants A 'Faith-based' Constitution

Comment #111915 by Logicel on January 16, 2008 at 2:18 am

...is amend the Constitution so it's in God's standards rather than trying to change God's standards so it lines up with some contemporary view of how we treat each other and how we treat the family.
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Just as Christians are sensitive to criticism of religion in general and of their's in particular, they are equally sensitive to 'criticism' (which apparently is the actual existence of freely chosen lifestyles other than that of the traditional family) of the family. If their God and His notion that the family is important and necessary for good Christian living, then what is the problem? Its good points will be able to allow the family to continue because it is a system that works, despite the fact that others might not embrace that lifestyle. Why are other lifestyles anti-family?

Their inability to allow their lifestyle to flourish alongside other lifestyles shows their dogmatic rigidity. No one is asking them to give up their family-based lifestyle. Nor should they demand others to give up their lifestyle. Creepy Christians are a bunch of meddling paranoids!

198. Hook, line and rapture

Comment #109427 by Logicel on January 9, 2008 at 3:37 am

Pat, you have convinced me of the special revelatory power of that dream of yours! How dismayed I was not to see an email contact where I can send you money. I am praying now that God with speak to you about this little detail you left out, and you will then fulfill his will, allowing me to forgo a few earthly pleasures that money would have bought so I can wait instead for the real pleasures after my death.

One of Pat's best vids. Parting the water in the bathtub for practice is my fave bit!!!

199. The OUT Campaign has its own Flea!

Comment #106523 by Logicel on January 3, 2008 at 4:37 am

Diacanu wrote: C is for cookie, that's good enough for me.

Not if they are these Christian cookies:

http://www.computersaints.org/CS/page9.html

200. It is possible to be moral without God

Comment #105010 by Logicel on December 30, 2007 at 10:30 am

Being quite sated because of holiday eating, I was able to easily forego even eating a slice of Spam #26 (which I duly marked).

How far are we living on moral capital?
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This is a concern that seems to come largely from elder critics. In part, the elder folks feel that it is a duty to pass on religion-based morality because it has always been that way. They often demand studies to show that without religious mandates to be good, that society will not fall apart. In order to let go of habituated ways of teaching morality, they need some reassurance in order to accept different approaches. In addition, some of them are just anxious about what it means for their occupation of being religious teachers: their jobs will become obsolete perhaps in their lifetimes.

This interesting study (http://www.mindhacks.com/blog/2007/12/beliefs_about_intell.html) made me muse a bit. If students whose efforts and hard work are credited are able to do better than the students whose intelligence is praised, perhaps also it is not focusing on a so-called absolute morality which is the kind touted by religites that is important, but our emphasizing their efforts to be moral and showing the evolutionary evidence pointing to the moral basis. Of course, more studies are needed in this direction.