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Comment #171032 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 8:55 am

Tyler

I never swear your ideas like Evolution idea is stupid Dawkins is Moron, Dennett is a clown because I respect them and I will not do that because bad words belong to the mouth it pops up, Would you do the same thing not to swear people's belief. If you want to discuss something then, it is okay but if swearing is making you relax and feel that evolution is true, then get a room all alone and start swearing without being offensive.

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Comment #171025 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 8:48 am

Rian

How do you explain the following statements?

You dodged it or you will pretend that you did not get it?


Connection, cooperation and harmony between
Chlorophyll AND sunlight
Soil And rain
Vegetables and fruits along with vitamins AND our body
Photosynthesis, oxygen AND humans' breathing
Animals' products, honey, milk, eggs, silk AND human beings' needs
Animals' skin and products AND human clothes and accessories
Our brain AND controlling parts of the body
Lungs AND oxygen
Spinning of planets and our earth AND days and nights for humans to work and to rest.
Carbon dioxide AND trees
AND HUMAN BEING AND THINKING
heart and faith

153. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #170924 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 6:31 am

Sorry reverend
It will be 'they eat leaves and produce SILK.

Rian

Do you believe in God or Allah or Yehowah?
Or Do you believe in any creator?

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Comment #170920 by clearmind on April 28, 2008 at 6:28 am

My Atheist pal, reverend,

You are at it agaain with lots of vocabulary, slang but yet no satisfying answers to :

Why is that silkworms change into moth in a very short time that evolution goes crazy along with Darwin and Russell?

It was not milk as you are a smart guy, you can guess, it is SILK they produce - mine was a typo because if writing too fast-
How is that possible? Eat keaves and produce silk, the most expensive fabric on the earth?

And how silkworm survived from so called natural selection?

Take care reverend, still I pray for you. I hope you can see your mother in your dream. And you can see the truth.

155. Interview with Dan Dennett

Comment #169897 by clearmind on April 27, 2008 at 4:03 am

A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse men

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce silk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

156. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169778 by clearmind on April 26, 2008 at 6:51 pm

To markG

(Are you aware their are other creatures that eat leaves and produce milk? Cows, goats, sheep, humans, etc?)

This is another amazing thing before our eyes we can think about it? So what do you think? Each animal is designed to serve. This is the question to evolution!



To Clintspark
(can't help it,Are you human?)

Me too. I am clearmind.
ARE YOU REVEREND?


riandouglas
(interpret dreams as the actions of my mind while I'm sleeping.)
I am sorry to ask; your mind has got the eyes?


(If your mother appeared to you, and said "Allah is real, please clearmind believe in Allah", what would you do?)

I do not need to see such a dream. I believe in God already.

(Do you ascribe supernatural character to them, such as messages from God? If so, are all of your dreams messages from God, even the naughty ones you occasionally have? If not, how do you tell the difference? Do you only get "God" dreams after you've stopped taking your meds for a period of time?)

I explained it already. But let me put it another way:

Dreams are the reflections of our daily life, our beliefs, fears, loves, likes dislikes; They are like a mirror which reflect what we are what we do and we have in our minds; Divine dreams are the true ones which God helps us if we are doing something wrong.

If your mother says, Rian, please believe in God or Allah. Please I am begging you. Or in your dream, you died and they put you in grave and they left. Suddenly you noticed that you are not dead and your soul leaves your body dress and go up to heaven to face God. Suddenly you woke up. It was a dream and you just said abruptly "THANK GOD it was a dream."

Each of us have faith in our hearths but a few of us just buried it with some illogical ideas and we can't revivify it.


To MAXD
Why should we take anything from dreams too seriously?

Dreams can be divided into three categories;

1. Divine ones that can help people to lead to the truth
2. If you think of something deeply in a specific day, then, you can dream something about that thing which boggled your mind all day.
3. That depends on person's state of mind; some people can have bad dreams because of their abnormal psychology and mental state of their mind.

Yours go for item 2.

I know that atheists avoid talking about spiritual; based conceptions but dreams are true and we see our dreams WHILE OUR EYES ARE CLOSED. How is that possible? Because our eyes are the windows of our souls.

157. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169777 by clearmind on April 26, 2008 at 6:49 pm

To riandouglas

(clearmind, I don't know if anyone has asked you this before. English is not your native language, correct? What is?
It's obvious a lot of people here have trouble following your logic, and it is either due to language or because you're unable to explain the brilliance of them to such simpletons.)

Hmm Let's see:

1. Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

2. A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse man

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce milk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

OR
3. Welcome to the club, "I do not understand since i can't beat clearmind's logical analogies so I play clueless so that insulting him can help me relax". No worries my analogies are well understood by intelligent people not for the people who is supporting a web page where no intelligence allowed.

What part is confusing you? You can use some online dictionaries for ENGLISH WORDS YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND, or my students can explain them to you?


To riandouglas 2

(I'm new here, so I'm sorry if you've covered it previously.
What is this connection between things?
What does it do?
What is the mechanism behind it?
How do you know of it?)


Now you are catching on, right? Or you are conflicting with yourself?
Connection, cooperation and harmony between
Chlorophyll AND sunlight
Soil And rain
Vegetables and fruits along with vitamins AND our body
Photosynthesis, oxygen AND humans' breathing
Animals' products, honey, milk, eggs, silk AND human beings' needs
Animals' skin and products AND human clothes and accessories
Our brain AND controlling parts of the body
Lungs AND oxygen
Spinning of planets and our earth AND days and nights for humans to work and to rest.
Carbon dioxide AND trees
AND HUMAN BEING AND THINKING
heart and faith


I can give you more examples but it will do it. Everything was created by only one single creator who knows our needs very well and created all necessary things for us. That is why in universe and on our earth, everything is connected and cooperated with each other to only serve HUMAN BEINGS.

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Comment #169344 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:41 pm

reverend

When I write to you i always use my divine feelings and prayings that one day you will believe in God but you don't. My mother passed away and yours too, i guess. I see her sometimes in my dreams. Now my question is that if you see your mother in your dream and says "the truth is that God exists, please reverend believe in God." What would you do? This is another sincere question of mine.
And how do you interpret dreams?

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Comment #169341 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:36 pm

Epeeist:
(I take a bottle of water, don't have it blessed and put a spoonful of salt in it. That dissolves too. Now, I don't have a deductive-nomological explanation of why the salt dissolves. However, what I have done is show that your conjecture is false.)

We cannot limit God's creation into a bottle of or glass of water. All creations and creatures are all wisely connected to each other from sun and and sunlight to plants and vegetables or from soil to rain.

Blessed water or other miracles of God requires to have faith in God so if you don't have one how are we gonna discuss it?

160. Is religion a threat to rationality and science?

Comment #169335 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:27 pm

A Challenge to Mr Dawkins and his horse man

An open letter with a brief question:

Are silkworms another threat to Evolution? How come a silkworm changes into another structure in a short time? How come they eat leaves but produce milk? How do they do that?

(If)Any scientific argument is welcomed?

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Comment #169331 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 7:23 pm

To riandouglas

Hi nice too meet you. Welcome to the club, "I do not understand since i can't beat clearmind's logical analogies so i play clueless so that insulting him can help me relax". No worries my analogies are well understood by intelligent people not for the people who is supporting a web page where no intelligence allowed.

I donna wanna say you are talking gibberish because bad words belong to the mouth it pops up. When you wanna talk something someting scientific or logical you can leave that club and go up to the intelligent level of logic, the, you will see us.

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Comment #168423 by clearmind on April 25, 2008 at 6:18 am

To Mbee
(must say you are an interesting character.)
Do I have to say thanks?
(you speak semi english,)

Well, thanks God then,- I wrote more than 400 hundred pages argument in English and I got the so-called answers in the same way. So hmm â€" If I were native speaker, this web page would be closed down. I guess it is gonna be a little longer.
(trying to antagonize people)

Nope. People are trying to offend LOGIC and logic defends itself.


(If you ever open up and tell people about yourself and why you believe what you do,)

I am bit of everything. But I would say I am a teacher. I am married and I have a daughter who recently has been observing the amazing creation in silkworms' job.

(I'm afraid you are getting no where!)

I do not think so. I am write in the human level in creation while Russell and Darwin looking for amino acids in the little pond. Indeed, my argument is very simple. Nothing can be existed by itself or other unconscious things like luck or chances; you can refer to my wooter or clearmind comments to see logical analogies.

Second if you wanna judge my comments, you have to ask each of the person who reads my arguments, then, you can say something. Otherwise assumptions will not make me look bad since it is based on I lose so I attack by insulting which is the worst sign of losing a battle.

The arguments I put forward need a very high IQ to understand; Example, I give the Rubik's cube an analogy and I got the answer how blessed water becomes blessed? There is a very big IQ Gap between what I write and what I get as reply.

Check it out!
Me:
Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

Epeeist:
You take a bottle of water to a priest and ask him to bless it. He does so and turns it into "holy water". You then take a spoonful of salt and put it into the water, it dissolves. Your hypothesis is that it is the blessing that causes the salt to dissolve.

I take a bottle of water, don't have it blessed and put a spoonful of salt in it. That dissolves too. Now, I don't have a deductive-nomological explanation of why the salt dissolves. However, what I have done is show that your conjecture is false.


Incredulous
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(Is religion a threat to rationality and science? I rest my case.}

Clearmind.
You see what I am saying? These are the answers they are able to. Now what?

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Comment #168059 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 1:42 pm

To DINAH

('clearmind's' mind seems about as clear as thick oxtail soup or a mud-filled ditch. I have to confess that most of the time I have no idea what he is on about. Is this a common problem, or is it just me?)

Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

If you don't understand my question above while my students DO UNDERSTAND, and some of them here as well, hmm let me think, yeah it is just you.

Still you don't get the Rubik's cube analogy and amino acids, you better get someone to explain it to you. No worries intelligent guys understand what I am talking. Take it easy. Don't blame yourself.


To: Enlightenyouagain

Sieve is a term that Mr Dawkins popped up first. You can ask him. Accordingly I figured out reason sieve that means evolution ideas cannot get through the cirle of reason. I feel funny when I explain these simple conceptions. No intelligence allowed is the best term that fits in

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Comment #167629 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 8:18 am

Mr Dennett

My favorite pal, reverend say, and i hope and pray for him one day, he just saw the truth and became a believer and he started writing against evolution and he is writing so well that nobody can refute his comments? What will you do with him?

Sorry reverend. Just an example to make it clear what truth is indeed about the reaction toward the converters:

I was blocked two times from this web page, a cencorship in the 21st century. So are you different, Mr Dennett? Blinkering ideas are not helping to save evolution.

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Comment #167623 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 8:12 am

(Newton's law's of gravity explain the orbits of the planets)
Sorry to correct you: Newton did not/cannot create that law; he just found it. The one who finds it and the one who creates cannot be mixed up.
(random mutations.Natural selection, a non-random)
So where does silkworm fit in on this random mutations, natural selection and non random chances?
1. What makes Intelligent Design science?
2. What predictions does it make?
3. How can these predictions be tested and falsified?
4. What tests have been conducted?
5. What were the results of the tests?
Okay get a Rubik's cube and try to set it without touching it. But you can use some external powers, like wind, water, etc which are all unconscious, and then if you set the cube right, then I will believe that amino acids will went for the same way in the first place!

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Comment #167501 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 5:33 am

Sorry Mr Denyit - sorry dennett

Your attacking on religions and their some practices will not make evolution theory true. Religion is the manual and handbook of humans if some they interpret it wrongly, that does not mean that God does not exist. If you take it wrong and fail to interpret it according to the time an circumstances, it has nothing to do with religion and accordingly evolution delusion. Your attempts are like the same as a little boy whose delusional toy is proved that it is delusional, having frustrated, attacking on real toys of other kids who are unable to use their toys properly and they damaged them.

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Comment #167493 by clearmind on April 24, 2008 at 5:25 am

Dan Dennett VS Reality

Are silkworms another threat to evolution delusion?

Silk worm: Okay guys let's do our job. Make the silk for humans.

Dennett: Hello little fellas

Silk worm: Hello dear! What's up?
Dennett I am just curious. Why are you so hard-working. Take it easy. Lie down. Relax.
Silk worm: Sorry we are created to serve humans. We gotta work.

Dennett : Created? You are not. You came from the worm million years ago?

Silk worm: we were not gone through NATURAL SELECTION?

Dennett :You know too much.

Silk worm: Yep. Like all the other animals, we are all designed and heavenly inspired to serve people.

Dennett :Prove it. Come on prove it.

Silk worm: Are you blinded or deluded? What are we doing now? Silk right? How do we do that? Who taught us to make the most expensive fabric in the world? What kind of proof do you still want? How come we eat green leaves but we make white silk?
Dennett :Evolution?

Silk worm: Excuse me did you say frustration?
Dennett :I did not say frustration. Evolution is not frustration. Look! All animals happened by evolution, chances and unexplained luck, okay?
Silk worm: And you are saying that we, unconscious creatures like silkworms, bees, chickens sheep and cows, produce amazing things for conscious humans by chance and luck?

Dennett :Evolution cannot be explained because it is too complex to explain! Thus complex things are evolution because they can't be explained.

Silk worm: Yeah when we look at the evolution ivy creeper, it says all itself what it is.
Sir, what you say is totally not referring to logic and intelligence. And also, between science and evolution, there is an unbridgeable gab which cannot be filled by anything even with playing words.
Look, we are really busy and we have no time for chit chat. But we saw two guys named Bertrand Russell and Darwin around LITTLE POND, LOOKING FOR SOME AMINO ACIDS, YOU CAN HAVE A CHAT WITH THEM. BYE.

168. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #166523 by clearmind on April 23, 2008 at 9:35 am

Incredulous
Incredibly incredible incredulous
SAYS
'Intelligent people are supposed to fall straight into line.'

If I were you I would be extremely careful about your wording while you are supporting an unintelligent theory with intelligent mind, which proves otherwise.
You are telling us that YOU came from worm by chances and unexplained randomness and luck yet you have no clue how the universe existed in the first place, and still claiming to be intelligent calls for the title, "no intelligence allowed." I don't know you but we all creatures have been created by God through wisdom and explainable the curtain of reasons and causes.


To Epeeist
How do explain the earth and other planets' rotation and spinning around themselves, their relation between them and the creatures on the earth by sky evolution? (Sky evolution ?) Or again unexplained CHANCES?

First I asked it and no dodging my question, please!


(things cannot be questioned" )

Do not cut out my sentences to twist my meaning. Here is the whole sentence:

(Indeed, the existed things cannot be questioned how they are made since they are already existed. It is more important to ask WHY RATHER THAN HOW?)

Your questions' answers lie in the answers â€" you are supposed to give but you dodged them again to my question, "If you leave a Rubik's in public and wait for it to be set by itself or chances, selfish genes, menotthinking, blindwatcmaker, etc (each cube like an amino acid) then if it is set, then I will give up"

Testing testing can you hear me?

Indeed my question is simple; since I proved that evolution has nothing with logic, who is the creator of creations which require a creator?

Mr Dawkins vainly jumped on other planets looking for aliens for evolution topic. He is like looking for the designer of a huge building who cannot find him in the first room, now he is looking for other rooms? Alas, he is having hard times. And if Ben Stein is movie has not so much influence on Public, why is he pissed off that much?

169. Gods and earthlings

Comment #166516 by clearmind on April 23, 2008 at 9:33 am

Quetzalcoatl
(Let me spell it out. The picture is of a TROLL. You are a TROLL. Your contributions are of less value than the greenish residue in my handkerchief following a particularly vehement nose-blowing.)

1. Bad words belong to the mouth it pops up. So Nice to meet you Mr TROLL, t_r-o-l-l right? MY NAME IS CLEARMIND.
2. Insulting will not help evolution come true. And insulting is a bad sign of losing the battle
3. Just give up insulting but if it will relax you or give the impression that you are saving your hurt pride, then, continue, but it is not good advertisement for you while Irate is setting a bad example for evolins and leaving his name card in the end with capital letters.

170. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #165704 by clearmind on April 22, 2008 at 4:24 am

lievemebe
(How can such an obvious circular fallacy contribute to intelligent discussion? And, what is this nonsense about circle of reason and logic surrounded by circle of faith?)

Nonsense means something that does not make sense because it is not logical. So if I say millions of creatures came from a worm that came from a cell that came from amino acids' UNEXPLAINED CHANCER AND LUCK(Dawkins) mixing up, those amino acids came from the chemicals rains from planets and those planets

Incredulous
(How do you know this, clearmind)

84 per cent of world population stick to their faith because they are rational and see the things through logic and reach the conclusion that perfect things require perfect design and a designer.

(So the only way to faith is through logic? You are prepared to publicly demonstrate this, yes?)

Even you use your mind and logic to set Rubik's cube right, how come you ignore your mind and reason to set the creation right? And you say Rubik's cube is set by itself or CHANCES OR UNEXPLAINED RANDOMNESS?

If you leave a Rubik's in public and wait for it to be set by itself or chances, selfish genes, menotthinking, blindwatcmaker, etc (each cube like an amino acid)
Then if it is set, then I will give up!


(I take it this is the difference between cultural religion and true faith. I guess what you are saying is that if your prayers are not answered then clearly you do not have true faith. Yes?)

My prayers, most of them are answered:
God answers the believers' prayers and if the things they ask are good to them, God will give them right away or later or in heaven.


(What's boggling my mind is that you actually have the capacity to operate a computer!)

If you explain us how your computer-like brain works by evolution from worm, unconscious, mindless creatures, to conscious, reasonable, thinking human beings? Is it enough boggling for evolution?


Darwin's shitsu
(there are mountains of evidence for evolution but don't take my word for it, look it up, go on i dare you.)

Well, mountain of evidence is in terms of semantics or reality since we do not see any?
I have got another amazing animal which will cause another problem for evolution?

171. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165689 by clearmind on April 22, 2008 at 3:38 am

Let's see what we have in evolution menu today:

(This isn't a difficult puzzle.)

I got one puzzle already. Please help me out which one is which? Which came from which and How?

http://www.google.com.hk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/trevol.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/evol.htm&h=150&w=104&sz=784&tbnid=WK3hQdYPAFsJ:&tbnh=150&tbnw=104&prev=/images?q=evolution tree&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1

Sorry about the length. You know when the topic is evolution tree, the related web page is even getting complicated.

And please tell us where that picture, half human and half monster that describes evolution best takes place in the evolution â€" I donna wanna say tree since tree is something that is in order, let's say it CREEPER EVOLUTION/ evolution creeper.


EEPIST
How do explain the earth and other planets' rotation and spinning around themselves, their relation between them and the creatures on the earth by sky evolution? (Sky evolution ?) Or again unexplained CHANCES?


Reverend;

I am worried about you, man long time no reverend;

I am so sorry about uppercase. Speaking of coherence and coherent, how do you interpret these two concepts in terms of evolution? Is there any coherence and consistence in evolution creeper? Very lately, some guys keep saying mountain of evidence for evolution? I guess they mean ALIENS OR EARTHLINGS OR SOEMTHING ON DELUSION ISLAND?

As for logic, Logic has done its job already with Stein's movie. And there will be more. Even if Dawkins write millions books or keep insulting or write dozen of articles a day, he is unable to wipe out the refuting of evolution because we human being think and act reasonably and rationally and this is what Ben Stein movie did it openly; no intelligence allowed in evolution.

Take care reverend, please think and think about what evolution brings to your logic!


Frankus1122
Tell us how God and Jesus did it.

Indeed, the existed things cannot be questioned how they are made since they are already existed. It is more important to ask WHY RATHER THAN HOW? You are already given a lot of blessings and you want to see how and if you don't want to see how you are created, then you deny it because you did not see God in a lab creating entire university. Does it make sense to you? If you watch an unborn baby's phases to happen, you see the miracle of God openly.

172. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165151 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 6:10 am

(by Quetzalcoatl on April 21, 2008 at 4:00 am

Excellent, Clearmind has posted. That gives me an opportunity to use this: )

wOW THE PICTURE IS THE EVOLUTION OR BEFORE MONKEY OR AFTER MONKEY,. MAN. RVOLUTION HAS GOT A LOT OF PROBLEMS ON EVOLTION TREE. WE CANNOT FIND THE SPOTS FOR THE MONSTERS ALREADY, NOW YOU ARE SENDING ANOTHER MONSTER LIKE HUMAN OR MONKEY OR DNA ACCIDENT OR SELFISH GENE IS NOT SELFISH ENOUGH, MUTATION IS NOT COMPLETE OR MENOTTHINKING FAILED AGAIN. nOW TELL ME WHAT WE ARE GOING TO TIS EVOLUTION PICTURE? sEND IT TO BEN STEIN TO MOCK EVOLUTION. oH MAN

173. Interviews with Richard Dawkins and Michael Shermer

Comment #165122 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 5:02 am

(If you look at the evidence for evolution, then still deny it,)

What evidence and what army?


(So I would say that religious belief is all about emotion, not reason!)

Circle of Reason and logic is surrounded by the circle of faith. When the reason's border is finished, the border of faith starts and ends in heaven. In other words, reason and logic is the initial step to have faith in God's creation. Creation requires logic and reason, and logic and reason verifies creation of God. Some people in any religion have the faith as a custom, and some people have the faith deeply. Otherwise whatever you pray will not go further an exercise or body tiredness.

As for you, Layla, I just asked some muslims guys that whether whether Muslims quit their religion or not. I was told that this is a very rare situation in Islam religion.

Why are you here? (Who are these people?" I wondered, "...and why do I keep coming back to their site?")

a. You quit your religion.
b. You are atheist and you are trying to prove that Evolution is true because you are giving a helping hand to Dawkins after the battle of intelligence with Ben Stein
c. You are an attention seeker?

Now If I would say, I would not be surprised if some more believers popping out of nowhere claming that they became atheists to try to save evolution and atheists face along with Dawkins, " Nah, but I wouldn't. I do not think that evolution is so hurt by Stein's Movie? Then question is boggling my mind; why is Dawkins overreacting?

174. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165096 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 4:00 am

(Moderationmuse
And farewell.)

No intelligence allowed.

175. Gods and earthlings

Comment #165093 by clearmind on April 21, 2008 at 3:55 am

flying goose
(But why should apparent design imply a designer? Any way why would God be a designer?)

So you are saying that a watch and a solar system, both of which are designed with specific calculations â€" tilting of the earth, the sun's perfect distance to the earth, earth's spinning around itself and around the sun to make us days and nights, do not need a designer? Or do not imply a designer?

This is where atheists or evolinn get stuck. They do not want to deal with logic or reason while they put their evolution idea forward, or they go with Dawkins' UNEXPLAINED DODGING.

Dodging logic is not a way to prove something which one claims that it is logical

176. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163611 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Al rawandi

Ignorant is coming from ignorance. Anyway, having no answer to logiocal arguments requires to insult to save the evolution. take its easy and give the kids an explanation why is that evolution does not fit in Logic?

177. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163608 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:51 pm

clearmind:
(As a linguist, I'm saving your comments to help me teach syntax. Your name is also very good evidence that reasoning skills (in case your mind is as clear as you claim) are totally unrelated to language use.
Also, in your post you mention "being in denial" several times. I really think you should listen to yourself)

No worries; I use the comments here in philosphy lesson as the examples of how illogical arguments come out. They love it. Specially the monkey and Monalisa parts. Way to go jack, way to go.

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Comment #163607 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:47 pm

Richard Dawkins, an evolutionary biologist, is a professor at Oxford University. His most recent book is "The God Delusion."

Trying to get back on the track with a very intense, article with a name card?

"WOW. The tone of that article was incredibly intense".

The atheists will never understand where to look at it. They always look;

The artist inside the art (like Russell trying to look for Leonardo inside Monalisa)

Computer designer inside the computer,

The architect inside the building, among the bricks and claming that bricks came out by an unexplained chance.
A car designer inside the car components' design

AND GOD INSIDE THE UNIVERSE

Creator and creation cannot be the same kind, that is why God is the creator and we are created.

If we see even a simple mini solar system model, we conclude instantly that somebody made it. For a real one needs a designer too. We cannot explain it with we cannot explain because evolution says it just evolved by the SKY SIEVE THROUGH EVOLUTION AND THERE YOU GO, sun is tilted earth is located perfectly so that we can have days and night, sun light, not to be frozen or burned?

Chance, evolution, sieve, blindwatcmaker?, or GOD!

I guess this is a one million dollar question.


Clearmind is not a biologist, nor professor. He is just a person WHO CAN THINK!

179. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163380 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 9:08 am

Ben Stein says: No intelligence allowed.

Dawkins sez: No intercourse allowed

Steverot sez: Storktard!

Slippy sez: Could you please dumb down your original post

SPS sez: Someone needs a hug.

Epeist sez: Personally I think I am going to accuse the poster of being a wind up merchant.

AND CLEARMIND SAYS: The very noticeable discussion type that gets more and more participants and more popular is criticizing that is based on proud or 'my pride hurts' screaming.
Indeed criticizing means to find out the good and bad sides, compare the one that is supposed to be WITH THE existing one is to lead ourselves to the ideal. Criticizing positively and be open to criticizing is a scientific way, but this calls for a very mild and appropriate way to make it happen. First of all the one who criticize must be fair and SANE and his critique should be based on finding out the truth and proving it rather than trying to save his PRIDE BY CLOWNING AROUND.

That is very clear that everybody speaks of his level and the level of the idea he is standing for. Way to go guys. You are almost there.


Ichneumonid,

If you don't get it I can write in LATIN. Please take it easy.
(sez= says just for your information)



P.S. Dawkins, it is really so sad to see you at this level of insulting and being low. We lost you completely while looking for you in the evolution tree.


175. Comment #163352 by blaine on April 18, 2008 at 8:26 am
I was disappointed by the screen saying something like "Stein is an ignorant fool".


Me too. It is really pathetic.

180. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163278 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 6:08 am

Ichneumonid

To understand something in English requires to study on Literature and semantics. You can understand my comments by reading Garfield. It is okay to use slandering and twisting; they are another sign of denial or trying to save evolution. You can just join dawkins. Now he is a politican; maybe he can run presidency for the states?

181. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163275 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 6:00 am

Wanna speak of Latin? Okay let's speak.

Ad impossibilia nemo tenetur

Munit haec et altera vincit.

Nihil Sine Deus.

Risus abundat in ore stultorum

182. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163198 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 4:10 am

you go and read it and respond.

already. But You would not understand as I explained in my argument comment for Dawkins. take it easy.

183. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #163194 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 4:07 am

Epeeist

Okay you are right. I agree. there is no intelligence design at least on this web page.
Now you go and sleep well. Beaware of the bedbugs' bite. Now I can't help it. No I doona wanna ask. I can't help it. In the evolution tree where is the spot of bedbugs?

Sorry Philip I gotta go. I will reply you on Monday.

184. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163176 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:47 am

To phatbat

No worries; my message is well-understood by the ones I am expecting not you and others since it reflects the entire picture within logical limits of argument. Denial is another way of showing the sign that you are beaten but still your pride is getting in.

185. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #163171 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 3:40 am

(Wooter, with his hermaphrodite invisible friend "logic" and his Mona Lisa painted by Piccasso is irrelevant.)
Invisible logic, hmm I forgot the magic word. You are right. Logic is invisible. Since NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED. What do you have? Visible(!) blindwatcmaker, menotthinking, any kind of sieves except the logic sieve, me and my logic will pass.
Eepist: Just between you and I. You look really funny when you mentioned invisible logic? Are you all right?


(The computer cannot reproduce there for how could it not have a designer.)
Sorry your arguments does not sound right or logical or you are missing the point which I get used to it;
Computers and our brains
Plane and flies
Cameras and our eyes
Radars and seismic monitors
Anything that has a design requires a designer. Period. Your argument to prove otherwise is not argument but only an effort to play with the words to prove your are right. (I refer you to the comment i wrote for dawkings on the first thread for today)

(If you don't understand evolution then just say that you haven't read any books on the subject and admit your ignorance on the subject.)
Today I told about evolution to my students and their first reaction was "What?" neither me nor 84 percent world population do understand evolution since it doers not make sense in any way. Nothing happens from nothing. If there is a conscious and designed beginning it can go on in that way. If there is an attempt to start something unconscious and blind and random and you want to end it up in a very smart, thinking and conscious creature, it will not move anywhere from the little pond â€" I just give a little credit to evolution skipping the question how planets and chemicals popped up on the planets, solar system which will you make you more disappointed.

Genetic deformation is not based on God did something wrong. Circumstances, outside effects, environment, radiation etc can cause and deformation. In old times we did not have problems like that, but we do have now. God created this worlkd like a very big hotel and designed it everything for us and sent the regulations through prophets, dos, don'ts like a manual. If we don't follow the manual there will be consequences like in Japan after the atom bombs were exploded.

Even you look at how your body works; lungs, airm heart, blood vessels, ceaning the blood, stomach, acid amount to digest, brain, and your soul and conscious. Still you say Evolution did it; we came from worms. No further comment.

186. Sexpelled: No Intercourse Allowed

Comment #163137 by clearmind on April 18, 2008 at 2:59 am

The very noticeable discussion type that gets more and more participants and more popular is criticizing that is based on proud or 'my pride hurts' screaming. Indeed criticizing that means to find out the good and bad sides, compare the one that is supposed to be and the existing one is to lead ourselves to the ideal. Criticizing positively and be open to criticizing is a scientific way, but this calls for a very mild and appropriate way to make it happen. First of all the one who criticize must be fair and sane and his critique should be based on finding out the truth and proving it rather than trying to save his PRIDE.
Debate on something includes brainstorming trading ideas and thoughts and coming to the same point at the end through commonsense. Unfortunately, today, debate turned into argument or demagogy that we can also call it dueling ideas which based prejudice and vain struggle to make others accept what we believe in such way that you often have unstopped efforts, word and mind games, provoking by teasing, aiming to beat them in their argument or making them feel embarrassed. We entirely close our minds and hearts to the truth. There is only one truth; "you are right". You always try to check mat your rival whatever it costs in terms of argument; belittling, slandering, mocking, INSULTING teasing and lying. This is not a scientific argument and participants cannot go beyond being a clown.
Ben Stein's movie definitely delivered a message, a message of truth. Whatever you do attempt to save the self-destroyed and illogical evolution idea, you CAN'T refute the truth.

Mr Dawkins did what I expected; trying to save his pride AND FACE by so called counter attack. A few laughs or trading jokes or an animation movie will NOT help evolution get out of the little pond where it landed by BLIND BLINDWATCMAKER. Evolution does not need to be destroyed since it is self-destroying and self refuting. Rest is just humor which cannot be answered by counter humour. Counter-humour'' regularly served as a political tactic in attempt to silence the rival. So Dawkins made a decision to be a politician that comes from having many faces which fits in evolution coming from worm and turning into many faces by CHANCE AND BLINDNESS AND RANDOMNESS.

Hoping that there will be new eras where real scientific people will discuss science in the circle of reason and logic. Alas, NOT ON THIS WEB PAGE AND NOT WITH DAWKINS.

187. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #162452 by clearmind on April 17, 2008 at 2:11 am

(Comment #162039 by clearmind
Reading this makes me think of a tornado roaring through a junkyard and dumping tons of crap into your post.)

A self describing comment is commented by the commentator that works in the junkyard waiting for a plane to come out.

188. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #162451 by clearmind on April 17, 2008 at 2:08 am

Wooter,

Please can you answer the question I gave you, I made an honest inquiry, I promise I will not tease you or make fun of anything you say, I just want to know if you drink Tea and what your favourite is?

Early grey tea with logic cookies.

189. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #162043 by clearmind on April 16, 2008 at 3:48 am

(Anyway, my purpose here is to just hoping to have a little bit of fun while finding some intelligent individuals to talk to, which seems to exclude you, based on the word-salad of your post. (No, I'm just kidding...the joke was far too good to pass up!)


Intelligence comes through understanding intelligent posts. If you don't, you either your intelligence level cannot go up to the level of intelligence from the level of clowning around or you do not want to understand. In your case you are in the group A since trying to belittle comes from "losing it."

I just advise you to buy some comics instead of writing here. So sorry again a word of salad goes well with sish kebab since you will not get it.

I respect all divine religions but your existence here is to prove that you are defending atheism while you are Muslim and having fun so what is the word,
Ms No personality. Hmm. And …. No I donna wanna use humor I will just pass.

190. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #162039 by clearmind on April 16, 2008 at 3:17 am

(but as for the bearded wonder of the Christians, well, I have yet to see ANY evidence for Him.}

Evidence symptom again. I already proved that evolution idea is just an idea that is refuted by Logic. You are telling us that a simple computer you are using to write on this web page should have a designer but your best computer like brain CAME FROM A WORM.
Proof is proven by the logic, and evidence is evident that entire universe has got a designer and cannot be based on luck, chance, menotthinking or blind blindwatcmaker.



(Because a larger number of people believe in something doesn't make it true. Most people used to believe the world was flat, and the Earth was the centre of the Universe.)


84 percent people are mindless, blind and ignorant but 16 percent atheists are very smart(!); why because they believe that they all came from a worm. They evolved and evolved and evolved into many animals with different DNA codes, no accident, no clashing or no miscalculationsamong the amino acids and DNAS, THANKS TO unconscious BLIND BLIND WATCHMAKER, THEN, we became monkeys, then, falling the hair (not on the head, evolution fixed it, no worries) finally we CONSCIOUS HUMAN BEINGS CAME OUT.

Any conscious people would believe which one? We came from a worm or we were created individually?

Numbers are ALWAYS RIGHT; This is where logic involves; in the language of numbers. Denial is a matter of state of mind that is closed to the truth.

191. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #162031 by clearmind on April 16, 2008 at 2:52 am

Evolins's answers:
(Wooter,

This is an honest inquiry, do you drink Tea?

Philip)

(Wooter-

(that equals 102%. Check your sums.

Steve-

(it's ClearMIND not ClearTHINKER posting. You've gotten them muddled.)


(Steve - I think you have just been wootered.)


(Er...fucktard?)

That's cruel. The man can't even spell Tea.

and clearmind says;
So these are the answers. Hmm I guess this is the reply that fits in

NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED. Bye

192. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #161810 by clearmind on April 15, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Dr Runaway runs
1. (Ugh. Me sicka wooter/clearmind.
Please everyone, don't bother learning wooterese. Insist that wooter speak English before engaging with him.)

2. (Why am I a chicken wing uncald? It's not Cleveland, mutherfucker! Get off of me, bitch!)



Have you considered therapy? You talk complete s***! by Incredulous

I guess somebody needs it. Manners therapy, swearing issues, personality disorder. Oh man, this is really so sad to see guys like this!

193. Religious education as a part of literary culture

Comment #161227 by clearmind on April 15, 2008 at 3:45 am

(Religion and belief in god is a disease. Why not just eradicate it from the source or at least one of it's sources - it's holy texts.)

(We can give up belief in God while not losing touch with a treasured heritage.)


Religion and faith are the essence of this life. One who sees this world with the eyes of atheism will see that entire world is a chaos; people are dying, no justice, sicknesses no resurrection, no hope as if entire world is a big GRAVEYARD and there you go; Just see this dark picture seen by dark glasses of atheism. But we look at the events and incidents we will see that people are dying will resurrect again, victims will have real justice hereafter if they can't have it in the world.

All dying people are not dead indeed. They just go to a better place by getting rid of their sicknesses and leaving their body dress on this earth so that they can a much better one. The kids who die very early WILL BE A SAVIOUR FOR THEIR PARENTS since they are innocent. If we look at the world and live it and see it with light of FAITH, as if it is a very big hotel in which guests are coming, staying and leaving for their real HOME, we will see that everything is in perfect order and circulation.

If you give up your belief you will be a part of that dark picture and be hopeless and desperate yet pretending or denying God since you don't see the truth because YOU ARE IN DARK. THE ONLY THING IS TO DO IS TURN ON LIGHT OF FAITH AND SEE THE TRUTH.

Denying, giving up or trying to refute it will not help because you just close your eyes and as if you say sun does not exist while the only thing is you have to is open your eyes.You are just making day night for yourself and your call to others to do same is another blind and vain attempt since people will go enter that dark picture if faithless and they did not as we see in numbers of atheists/theists - 16% and 86% respectively- all over world population.

194. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #161197 by clearmind on April 15, 2008 at 2:55 am

To Bonehead

and your point is?

A. You see all famous thinkers and scientits deny God so God does not exist.

B. You have no proof that you can prove that God does not exist so you just dumped some quotations about denial of God so that you can prove God does not exist(!)

I have proof that I can prove God exists by dumping quotations of the famous people you wrote

People sometimes say soemething; But where did they say? When did they say? TO WHOM DID THEY SAY?(Consider Galileo; According to popular legend, after recanting his theory that the Earth moved around the Sun, Galileo allegedly muttered the rebellious phrase And yet it moves.)

The following pages refute what you say;

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/sciencefaith.html

http://www.eadshome.com/Sciencequotes.htm

http://www.adherents.com/people/100_Nobel.html

Now what?

As far as I know evolution is claimnd to be a scientific idea - though no application proof was seen and nobody applies it today as a method in tha lab like what your guys' cliche' with reverse version evolution did it or show me in the lab how evolution did it?

195. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #161183 by clearmind on April 15, 2008 at 2:31 am

So eponsterical means evolin, right?
Let's what eponsterical means in terms of EVOLINS COMPARING TO IQ:


Mona Lisa: What are you doing?

Russell: I will melt you away. Then I will see that evolution will happen in my own eyes?
Mona Lisa: Are you crazy? Leonardo died. Who is gonna REMAKE me?

Russell:No worries. You don't need A MAKER. You will just evolve into all colours then, the colours will mix it BY CHANCE, then, there you go, Mona Lisa is out.

Mona Lisa: Was any of that supposed to make sense? What is your IQ, crazy old man?

Russell:What is IQ?

Mona Lisa: Just forget about it and leave me alone.

Russell:Never. I will prove that black colour evolved into other colours. And then,

Mona Lisa: Excuse me old man, (I need to buy some time until security comes) How did black colour exist in the first place?

Russell:There was some black colour raining from meteors and stars and planets(Which one was the right, planets, stars or meteors or all the same, anyway, she does have no clue what I say)
Mona Lisa: Excuse me, how did planets come out or happen?

Russell:You are asking too much. An Intelligent design made them.

Mona Lisa: You mean God? (why the heck did i say this ID?)

Russell:No God. There is no God. Not enough evidence not enough evidence,not enough evidence

Mona Lisa: (I guess the word God triggers him!)But how come planets and solar system with their perfect location, estimation and connection with the earth and their residents so deeply exist? Who created solar systme, created Sun and earth and who created plants and trees created sunlight and rain. Who created this earth created animals, fruits and vegetables. Who created human beings created this palace like earth. Who created you created your mind as well so that you can THINK TO BE DIFFERED FROM ANIMALS AND FIND OUT THAT THIS WHOLE UNIVERSE CANNOT BE DESIGNED WITHOUT A DESIGNER.

Russell: You, painting, you talk too much and paintings do not talk.

Mona Lisa: Whatever you say is so crazy that I can't take it anymore. No worries for this web page's FOUNDATION lies in where there is NO INTELLIGENCE ALLOWED, HUMOR COMES IN.

Russell: You watched that movie, right?

Mona Lisa: Sure I did. You can as well.

Russell:No way! That movie is not good. DON'T BUY TICKETS. Don't watch it. There is no God. Ben stein is Jewish. Not enough evidence. Not enough evidence. Black colour evolved.

Mona Lisa: Oh God he is completely losing it. There they are. Security is here.

Russell: Get your hands off me. Hey you why are you having mustache? Monkeys evolved already. You should not have any hair.Let me go. I have to melt this Mona Lisa. I have evidence.

Mona Lisa; Just ignore him. He is another victim of evolution.


Oh man, It is gonna be a long day.

196. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #161042 by clearmind on April 14, 2008 at 5:24 pm

If one goes to any theme park or something, and you look at the funny mirrors, even you are so small, you can seem big!

In shrek movie, one of the line i like it

Shrek says, "YOU AND WHAT ARMY?"

197. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #161040 by clearmind on April 14, 2008 at 5:21 pm

("I am myself a dissenter from all known religions, and I hope that every kind of religious belief will die out."

- Bertrand Russell, British philosopher, educator, mathematician, and social critic (1872-1970). )

last time when we left Russell was around the liitle pond fishing for amino acids with Darwin. Stll they are there. Of course Russell often goes to big art exhibition and screams that there is no artist for the paintings and each time he is sent out by the LOGIC SECURITY.

God help him. He is gonna wipe out or die out very soon because of his repeating himself in the exhibition art 'not enough evidence not enough evidence, there is no artist for these paintings, there is no artist, not enough evidence.? This is not healthy.

198. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #160267 by clearmind on April 13, 2008 at 9:22 pm

To layla nasreddin?

Who are you?
What are you?
Why are you?

We are all curious. You are a muslim, christian, jew or pretender? You are mocking yourself or on entertaining business or being a clown that clown around by making jokes about religions randomly because you have nothing else to do. Next picture will be a nun? Or being ridicolous is just a way to relax yourself? Or you are an atheist that portraits a picture of nobody with no personality that is trying to have a personality or you are genie?

199. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #159653 by clearmind on April 12, 2008 at 5:38 pm

To Mr Dawkins

I have no idea why the pretending is still going on. Mr dawkins, i guess, you are not aware of what you are fighting for. It is over. Indeed it is. This web page is like fish tank and the guys think that this is the whole world. Outside this fish tank, something is different, quite different. But fot this web page same same. Nothing is changed. Stein's movie put the period to the evolution idea. But we have same stuff here. (they don't even dare to join in.}


From now on this web page will repeat himself.
Jon will go on copying and pasting the answers to answer, Zara will keep saying that he is an educated person, Diacanu will chip in with swearing, Eepist will bubble up the same stuff with the level of three dimension stuff, with the approach if i see it i believe it, Irate will irate himself only with low-level jokes and rest of you sometimes trying to be funny, insulting, slandering(Al rawandi is good at it)twisting and swearing. Mr Dawkins will go on trying to save his books' image more popping up the articles, especially after Ben's movie is out. Humiliated ideas never survive, especially if they are humiliated by logic and reason. So this web page and evolution idea IS GONE WITH THE WIND OF LOGIC.

If we accept it, it is better than posting articles trying to prove that 'evolution still alive we are still alive' , trading jokes, chit chats to pretend as if nothing happens while evolution was stomped by an elephant like effect by LOGIC AND INTELLIGENCE. This is very well constructed self-deceiving. It is really so sad to see this ongoing vain attempts.

Briefly, there will be more movies soon after the books that prove evolution does not fit in logic dress.

No intelligence is allowed and can I change it:

No intelligence is needed since evolution is gone forever.

200. Expelled Overview

Comment #159647 by clearmind on April 12, 2008 at 5:28 pm

(they don't even dare to join in.}

Some of they do, but some of them do not dare to join since the level of discussion is easily down to insulting and swaering once evolution is down by Logic and reason. To me I have done my job because now more people join in through logic and reason to prove that evolution is no more than a joke not explicitly but through their smart discussions. I wrote more than 300 hundred page answers for this web page and anybody can refer them what I put forward. And Stein's movie was the final stage of this play as I pointed before in Vanity Fair's last lines. From now on this web page will repeat himself.
Jon will go on copying and pasting the answers to answer, Zara will keep saying that he is an educated person, Diacanu will chip in with swearing, Eepist will bubble up the same stuff with the level of three dimension stuff, with the approach if i see it i believe it, Irate will irate himself only with low-level jokes and rest of you sometimes trying to be funny, insulting, slandering(Al rawandi is good at it)twisting and swearing. Mr Dawkins will go on trying to save his books' image more popping up the articles, especially after Ben's movie is out. Humiliated ideas never survive, especially if they are humiliated by logic and reason. So this web page and evolution idea IS GONE WITH THE WIND OF LOGIC. If we accept it, it is better than posting articles trying to prove that 'evolution still alive we are still alive' , trading jokes, chit chats to pretend as if nothing happens while evolution was stomped by an elephant like effect by LOGIC AND INTELLIGENCE. This is very well constructed self-deceiving. It is really so sad to see this ongoing vain attempts.

Briefly, there will be more movies soon after the books that prove evolution does not fit in logic dress.

No intelligence is allowed and can I change it:

No intelligence is needed since evolution is gone forever.