151. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295555 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 12:02 pm

Al rawandi comments "Spot the difference you say... worldwide domination. Destruction of all western democracy. Oppression of women. Persecution of gays. Violent destruction of any Islamic government not Islamic enough. Murder of Jews to usher in the end of times.

Did I find any yet."

Steady, fire, aim.

You missed the point. The political solution rejected was the same as the one accepted.

No difference.

Why?

152. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295540 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 11:12 am

Al Rawanadi "But you think the coming 30 years should put an end to 14 centuries of behavior patterns(qm).

I admire your optimism."

I come from a continent where ancient enmities are not just frequent but run deep.

My position is from the experience of history.

Heck, Europe just about has the most violent history of anywhere on this planet and much of it well within living memory. Even in my country, the ancient enmities go back 1700 years.

Politics is the method we have to resolve such conflicts. They looked to have been solved in NI by that process and in Europe, in general, by the institution called the EU.

Shrug.

Why shouldn't I be optimistic when I can see how things work?

153. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295529 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 10:15 am

"Spot the difference you say... worldwide domination. Destruction of all western democracy. Oppression of women. Persecution of gays. Violent destruction of any Islamic government not Islamic enough. Murder of Jews to usher in the end of times.

Did I find any yet."

That's simple. What people want in politics isn't what they get, no matter what the rhetoric is. Politics is the art of the possible.

My prediction is that sooner or later Hamas will have to go to the negotiating table and compromise because its ambitions are unacheivable. It will do it for the same reason as they did in Northern Ireland.

That's what politics is and Hamas is a political organisation. For all I know it may take 30 years.

154. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295513 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 9:12 am

"In fairness you might also get an ear-bashing from the Paisleyites if you suggested that they might like a cup of tea."

Well whatever you do don't offer them Garibaldi biscuits to go with the tea.

"Goriboldi - a notionalist who wonted to re-unite his contry and a Catholik to boot."

155. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295508 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 9:05 am

" I forgot about that Hamas rejection of self government."

The provos rejected power sharing and a settlement in NI in the 1970s - as did the Prods.

Same language - Brits out, Taigs Out.

So what did they both end up with? A settlement and power sharing.

Spot the difference.

156. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295502 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:58 am

chewedbarber "the United Kingdom and anyone who supports it are abominations to the Provos".

The Republic of Ireland didn't exactly rush to support Britain when it stood alone against Hitler in 1940 (although many individual Irish people did).

157. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295492 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:47 am

Al Rawandi "Please read up on the 1956 War first, then comment. Egypt was developing offensive weapons for use against Israel."

It no doubt did but the 1956 war was between nation states using conventional means of warfare, not against terrorists. No one doubts that Israel seriously felt threatened by Egypt.

158. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295488 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:42 am

Al rawandi "Hamas is not contained, they operate in Syria freely, as the PLO did in Jordan, Lebanon, and Tunisia. Hamas achieved a goal when Israel left Gaza. How would you contain a stateless actor(qm)
"

The Provos operated in the Republic of Ireland, the mainland of Britain and the USA as well as Northern Ireland. The Protestant terrorists had a major base in Canada. The ANC operated out of numerous bases outside of South Africa. ETA has been using France as a base for years. So what?

159. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295480 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:28 am

Hungarianelephant - talk to the soldiers that did it. They didn't do it with normal military techniques. They used small arms and intelligence.

I had a long chat recently with one of the soldiers who was at Bloody Sunday. Completely scathing about the incompetence of the paras in failing to see their roll as a policing operation.

A friend of mine had her head blown off as a consequence of that.

In the case of the Malayan emergency, it was generally considered to be a policing operation by the UK armed forces - a lesson incedentally not learned by the USA in Vietnam and Iraq.

Indeed, we controlled Ireland for generations by what was lightly armed infantry dressed as policemen- - the Royal Irish Constabulary (and spies as well).

160. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295472 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:17 am

Al rawandi - "What did the IRA think of Russia(qm) Or the Basques of Brazil(qm). Nothing. Now, what does Hamas think of Russia.... It will eventually be part of the Islamic state. How abot Brazil(qm) The same."

So what? If so, Hamas's aim's are politically and militarily unrealistic. So were the aims of the Provos to unite Ireland as a socialist state. Politics is the art of the possible. Shrug.

161. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295468 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:12 am

Al Rawandi - I don't know how to negotiate with Hamas. So what?

I do know how to get them to the negotiating table, though. That's to contain them for years so they don't actually achieve anything significant. It took us 30 years in NI with that approach.

The method to contain is effective policing, not a military invasion of somewhere or other.

Israel's invasion of Egypt in 1956 was not an attack on terrorists - it was a concerted attack on a sovereign nation state in conjunction with the Brits and the French. It was illegal.

I also note that the USA forced our hands on the matter to pull out of Suez afterwards.

162. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295463 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 8:03 am

Al Rawandi says "How do you negotiate with a group dedicated to your destruction"

Same method as always. Shrug.

There's no guarantee of success. I've never claimed otherwise.

163. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295459 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 7:59 am

Al Rawandi - "I suppose you feel the Jews should have negotiated with Hitler."

The British negotiated with Jewish terrorists in the run up to our pull out of Palestein.

We then followed up by making allies with them and invading Suez.

164. Does Religion Make You Nice?

Comment #295431 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 7:15 am

Goldy - congrats on misses successfully dropping sprog.

165. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295423 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 7:09 am

Al Rawandi claims "Of course the Basques and IRA both have goals which don't involve the total destruction of Spanish or Irish society."

The Provos ambition was to bomb Northern Ireland into economic bankruptcy and oblivion. It was what in military terms is known as a scorched earth strategy.

They very nearly suceeded. Even ten years on from the settlement, 70% of the working population of the province are in public sector jobs and it is now the poorest part of the British Isles.

For Protestants today, a university degree is a one way ticket out of the province.

What's more, the private position of many republicans was ethnic cleansing of the the place of Prods. I have that from first hand testimony.

It was worse than that though, as the British security services have caustically commented about the US War on Terrorism. Vast amounts of funding were provided by US citizens to support the Provos - as were guns (See Noraid). It was an international issue.

166. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295417 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 6:57 am

Al Rawandi says "Explain to me how Israel should negotiate with Hamas when the Hamas charter calls for the total destruction of Israel. When you figure that out, let me know about your Jaw Jaw plans. Until then spare us your simplistic analogies."

Well, what is your solution to the Palestinian problem?

167. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #295391 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 6:21 am

Al Rawandi "And jaw jaw doesn't always work. Once Hitler roled through several countries people figured it out. When will you'"

The war against Hitler was a war between nation states, not a battle to control terrorism.

As Churchill once said - Jaw Jaw is better that War War.

Just about every terrorist movement of any significance I am aware of has ended up with Jaw Jaw to find a solution.

The only time when terrorism wins is when there is a serious power vacuum.

There is precious little in the way of power vacuums in the Islamic world or in the West. Iraq is probably the biggest exception but that has been created by Western chronic mismanaged of the situation.

168. Forced to Marry

Comment #295352 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 5:28 am

Katana - I also suspect that if the BBC places material on the web which is not electronically copyright protected - such as by encryption, it doesn't have a legal leg to stand on if someone watches it.

It's legal protection is no greater than a billboard owner posting up something. It has, in effect, made it legal for anyone to watch it without payment.

Three years ago I checked the position on BBC programming on the Internet with the BBC, ITV, BBC's license collection agent and Ofcom.

Only the BBC bothered to reply and it told me I was legally not required to have a licence if I only received its content by Internet.

The content I was on about was actually not a programme or video clip but a BBC channel then available only on Internet (BBC Local TV in the Midlands - it was a trial).

169. Forced to Marry

Comment #295347 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 5:19 am

MrJohno,

As far as I am aware, the law does not require you to have a TV licence in the UK unless you have a workable TV set - that means a device that is tunable between TV channels.

If you have a TV tuner built into a PC allowing one to watch broadcast TV channels, then that's considered to be a TV.

Watching video received on a PC through Internet does not require a TV licence because the signal is not a broadcast sugnal and the PC does not tune between TV channels. It involves a telecoms signal and therefore is not subject to broadcasting laws.

Last time I checked, there was a a grey area of the law involved but it appears that the matter has not been subject to legislation to claify the position, nor has the existing legislation been tested in the courts.

I suggest that it is exceedingly unlikely that a UK court of law would accept that you need a TV licence to watch a video received over the Internet (businesses would go bonkers if it did).

Nevertheless, the BBC has been looking at having the legislation changed.

One minor point is that the BBC is only legally empowered to collect a TV licence in the UK. Therefore watching BBC outside of the UK does not require a licence.

As far as I am aware, the BBC can provide adverts on its external services offered outside of the UK. Likewise with content offered over Internet.

Finally, as far as I am aware, nobody is breaking the law if they watch BBC Internet content outside of the UK even in the BBC attempts to limit viewership to the UK. I beg to ask if someone did this whose law would they be breaking?

Certainly not British law as the persons involved would not be based in the UK. As far as I am aware, other countries simply do not have domestic legislation to prevent it.

170. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God

Comment #295270 by Roger Stanyard on December 2, 2008 at 3:08 am

One of the things we picked up a couple of years back was the presence of now convicted criminal Kent Hovind at a church basically run for USAF personnel based at RAF Lakenheath in the UK.

It begs the question as to whether belief makes you nice.

One big concern amongst the anti-creationists in the USA has been the extent to which fundamentalists have infiltrated the US military. In this case it shows that compulsory fundamentalist proselytising exists in the USAF.

It appears that compulsory "education" in fundamentalism and creationism is taking place amongst USAF personnel at RAF Lakenheath.

It makes for disturbing reading.

Details are given here - http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/30/105157/02/379/667800. It's about as hardline fundamentalist as it gets.

A full copy of the relevent powerpoint presentation can be found at http://www.militaryreligiousfreedom.org/powerpoint/Lakenheath.ppt.htm

Basically the presentation argues that the Cold War is a result of Darwinism - casually forgetting to mention that the Cold War is long over. The bogeyman is, of course, "commies".

It is centred on the astonishing claim that suicide can be prevented by religious fundamentalism and creationism.

Just as disturbing is the apparent influence of Rick Warren, often claimed as the leading cleric in the USA.

One of the deeply disturbing facets of this is that the PP presentation makes no mention of US military involvement in or against countries where belief in God is widespread - Iraq and Afghanistan. It seems that the fundamentalists would prefer to skip over theis awkward fact and concentrate on making a bogeyman out of the now defunct Soviet Union.

Cynics may also point out that the USA is critically dependent on "communist" China to fund its trade and budget deficit and, therefore by default, its wars. But, then again, facts never seem to bother creationists/fundamentalists.

I've opened up a thread on this on the BCSE web site at http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2044

If anyone wants to participate, feel free.

171. Does Religion Make You Nice?

Comment #294942 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:42 pm

jgirolamo - you seem to have not even a basic knowledge of science that the average person is given. "When I say did we come by chance I mean the world being formed, the big bang theory is just that. and explosion would not cause order and complexity."

Do you know what a theory is? Clue - in science it is not what a layman thinks it is and only needs one single word to define it. Guess what that word is.

Um, what explosion? There was nothing to explode into.

Time and time again I have seen nutters turn up claiming that this or that in science is "just a theory". It is alpha and omaga of the pig ignorance of a rank amateur incapable of bothering even to use Google to understand what it means.

jgirolamo, do you really think you have anything whatsoever to say if you think that a theory is just an unproven hunch?

172. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #294930 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Al Rawandi claims "One option seems to make the terror even greater for them. Blow up a subway... have a city in a Muslim country destroyed by nuclear weapon. If the costs are too high, this might bring people to the table... ask the Japanese."

Except terrorism is s criminal activity, not a war. Solution - policing not military.

See lessons of history. Easter 1916 in Ireland, 30 year civil war until 1997 in Northern Ireland, British handling of Basra, Greek Cypriot terrorists, Jewish terrorists in Palestine, ANC in South Africa, Mau Mau.

End solution, jaw jaw, not war war.

173. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #294925 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:18 pm

DP claims "Sign me up for that strategy. Lets stop pretending these people are reasonable and actually want peace. All these muslim extremist know is destruction so lets talk to them in their own language."

Just like the enormously successful US policies in Iraq. Pull the other one.

174. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #294919 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:14 pm

Al Rawandi says "I get what you are saying. These groups should be subjected to intense intelligence surveillance, all travel to foreign countries monitored, sermons monitored, etc... All LEGAL under current laws. Immigration should be more restricted as well... again... legal.

How is banning illegal immigration gonna stop what happened in Mumbai? 150 million Indians are Muslims.

"If 33% of Muslims support stripping women of rights and executing gays, I would be more concerned about Muslims, as one in three are of the crazy variety. I doubt Protestants register in the 33% range for radicalism, or Catholics, thus my heightened concern for Muslism."

Wanna bet. See Northern Ireland. Favourite device for slitting throats - the meat clever. See Shankhill Butchers.

175. God No!

Comment #294760 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 10:42 am

Re TheAmericanAtheist - yep, that's partly my (limited) understanding about what is happening in the USA. Religion is now in long term decline and it is amongst the young that the reason is found.

You mention roughly half of your friends are atheists. That's my understanding of the mechanics of decline in belief of religion. When it starts to fall, there is only a 50% chance that children will eventually follow the religious beliefs of their parents.

176. God No!

Comment #294754 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 10:34 am

Vaal - yep. I usually try and contrast Life of Brian to the shere unadulterated sadism on The Passion of the Christ to show how different the attitude towards religion is in the UK from US fundamentalism.

Of the many things I love about Life of Brian is its gentleness. It really does lack violence and the bogus combination with sentimentality seen in Hollywood. It also mocks left wing politics of the 1970s.

The other brilliant work which is also a very gentle and very English humour is the Hitch Hikers Guide to the Galaxy.

177. God No!

Comment #294743 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 10:01 am

We at the BCSE have done a fair amount of research on religious belief in the UK (and, to a lesser extent, in the USA).

it's almost impossible to come up with accurate figures from opinion polls, not least because Christians lie. Church attendence in the USA on a Sunday is about 20% of the population but the opinion polls all suggest it is 40%.

I also think that that the term "atheist" is still viewed with suspicion by much if not most of the population even here in the UK. If the question were re-phrased as "non-believer in any religion" I suspect that more would admit to it.

dvesperttilio makes an interesting comment. I would probably say that atheism is the norm amongst my friends and colleagues in the UK. I can only recall meeting about half a dozen people in the last 20 years who ever mentioned they believed in religion.

Still, this is the country that produced Monty Python's Life of Brian which probably sums up most people's attitude towards religion.

178. Why we believe in gods

Comment #294675 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 8:55 am

Wooter "I wıll pop up another one for you' How many transtional bones do you need to prove evolutıon ıf you consıder trantıon perıods for mıllıon kınds of specıes'"

just the one.

Um, Wooter, we have millions of fossils of transitional species for the simple reason that there have been millions of transitional species.

Yet again, Wooter showing us that he doesn't understand what a transitional species is.

179. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294670 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 8:51 am

adamd164 - Yep, I was right over the top and apologise.

Done in a fit of anger about Mary Kenny.

180. The Sea Turtle's Tale: Back to the sea, and back again to the land

Comment #294648 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 8:34 am

Ah, Wooter, glad to see that you are again clear front runner for the title of stupidest creationist on the Internet. Even Laurie Appleton isn't anywhere near as daft as you are.

(Wooter seeming to think that all fossils are just bones and failing to comprehend what a transitional species is.)

181. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #294562 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 6:54 am

Sadly, it appears that the fundamentalists in the US military are peaching to the ranks that America's military enemies are defined by the extent to which they believe in God.

See my brief on it at http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2044

182. Hitchens Debates Rabbi Wolpe on God

Comment #294552 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 6:44 am

May be of interest to those in Ireland looking at attending the July meetup in Dublin - http://community.bcseweb.org.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2016

183. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294528 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 6:20 am

Yet another kennyism (should I say Batism?) http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/jan/08/post883

Um, apparently the marriage of Prince William is ginna have a big pyschological effect on us all.

184. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294513 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 6:06 am

More Kennyisms - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/mar/17/thestpatricksbrand

185. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294503 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 5:53 am

More Loopyisms - http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/10/ireland.eu

186. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294474 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 5:23 am

ev-love - let her keep publishing her loopyisms/Kennyisms. They are a good way of getting humourless atheists to have a good laugh (and everyone else, I guess).

187. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294365 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:52 am

jusdefacts - Yep I gather Mary Kenny is today seen as somewhat loopy. Do you have any other examples of Kennyisms.

Is she regarded as a West Brit in Dublin?

188. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294362 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:41 am

Just for the record, the BCSE has invested a considerable amount of time and effort bringing to attention the rise of creationism in NI - and I hope with some results.

We brought to the world what was going on in the European Theological Seminary (BBC NI followed up on it). We were helped by one very well known NI cleric as well as the several members we have in the province.

We can never prove it but the exposure we gave to creationism in the province seems to have resulted with a downturn in creationism there. Ken Ham's Spring 2008 visit was a wash out that appears to have lost AiG a lot of money and resulted in the departure of its UK head, Monty White.

We also detailed the political background on the Giant's Causeway creationist scam although libel laws prevented a more through analysis.

189. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #294357 by Roger Stanyard on December 1, 2008 at 2:29 am

Vaal, justdefacts et al,

OK, if I grovel a bit, do you forgive me?

Roger (disreputable Brit if ever there was one).

190. How to sell science to the Big Brother generation

Comment #294120 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 4:16 pm

So, er, how is he gonna address the really big problem that science is under attack by the extreme elements of religion, the fundamentalists and the creationists? Ignore it?

Like it or not the creationists are out to destroy the public understanding of science.

On that he can't be neutral.

Because he is a self-proclaimed atheist, they will use everyu trick in the book to undermine and smear him.

I've seen it happen to me in defending science. See BCSE Revealed.

191. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293989 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 1:07 pm

"unless, in the case of one well-known public atheist, a certain drunken cordiality"

Presumably a snide comment about Christopher Hitchens.

192. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293983 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 1:01 pm

eoin - still worth looking at the BNP list though - we've been trying to find any hardline fundies/creationists on it.

193. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293979 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 12:55 pm

OK, I'll be a bit more measured this time.

Northern Ireland has a serious problem of religiousity at present. It's the rise in belief of creationism amongst more evangelical protestants in the province. It now appears that maybe half the protestant churches or more in the province have now accepted creationism.

Much of this has been due to the efforts of Answers in Genesis and other creationists who have specifically targeted the province.

As we have detailed on the BCSE web site, there is a group within the DUP that has been pushing to get creationism taught in schools and exhibited at every museum in the province.

Moreover, it appears that the province has been used as a recruiting ground for creationist teachers ending up in the Vardy schools.

I've even come across lobbying to give creationist exam answers equal credit in the province's universities.

My personal view is that creationism is the ultimate in religious stupidity.

Thus the province does have a serious problem with religion.

I wonder whether Mary Kenny has her head screwed on about what is happening in the island of Ireland.

194. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293972 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 12:44 pm

eoin - yep, I overdid it. Apologies.

195. The Religious Support Behind Proposition 8

Comment #293969 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 12:37 pm

Agreed Cartomancer. Out of the top of my head, it seems to me that many a marriage has been wrecked or damaged because bi-sexuality is also taboo, with at least the bi-sexual partner having to live some kind of lie.

It isn't a pleasent thing having to go through life living a lie. It screws people up.

196. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293950 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 12:01 pm

micfur - you're right, I overdid it. Just a bit angry with the author.

197. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293932 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 11:16 am

It's suggested that this op-ed piece was written by Mary Kenny. If so, that's the same Mary Kenny who was shouting from the rooftops a decade or so back how great it was that Ireland was saying good-bye to religion.

Um, there's nothing like consistency amongst hacks.

198. 'Atheist bus' more like a bandwagon on highway to hell

Comment #293926 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 11:08 am

It's a bit rich coming from a paddy given that the Republic of Ireland for years suffered from the shere joylessness of its rural life, surpressed by the omnipotent priest screaming guilty from the minute one was born.

The same Oh So Christian Republic that for decades after independence was unable to provide its citizens with jobs so that they were forced leave the country in droves.

The same country that after independence ethnicly cleansed a third of its protestant population.

The same Oh So Christian country that put education in the hands of pedophiles, bullies and thugs on the form of the Christian Brothers and the Sisters of (no) Mercy.

The same Oh So Holy country that ostracised Trinity College Dublin for not being Catholic.

The same Oh So Holy country that banned contraception and kept women in misery.

The same Oh So Holy country that left huge numbers of its citizens locked into joyless and loveless marriages.

And then blamed everything on the unholy Brits.

I thought Ireland had moved on big time but it seems that the sanctimonious preaching is still there.

199. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #293897 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 10:45 am

Alan Caruba = PR puffery merchant, seehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Caruba

200. The Religion of Peace Strikes Again

Comment #293886 by Roger Stanyard on November 30, 2008 at 10:38 am

The entire op-ed piece would not be out of place at all in the Daily Mail.

There is something seriously wrong with it.

Precisely how will we go about "resisting" Islam?