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Comment #143909 by kaiserkriss on March 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Dr Benway said "No more science for you lot who reject the rules of evidence. Time to hand in the computer, the microwave, the cell phone. Oh, and no doctors for you lot either. It's all got to go."

Don't we already have these people around called Hutterites, Jehovah's Witnesses, Amish, Mennonites etc.? jcw

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Comment #143790 by kaiserkriss on March 14, 2008 at 12:21 pm

annabanana... I understand what you are saying, however that was not the case in the specific instances I had in mind. I suspect we tend to give animals that are close to us human characteristics that really don't exist.

An example I was thinking of was of a dog herding a toddler away from harm (a swimming pool)every time the child got too close to the pool. The dog had never been taught to do this, but took it upon itself to look after this stranger, only if the child got too close to the pool. To me that shows reasoning and caring skills above and beyond the usual food, shelter and procreation instincts we as a society tend to put animals down with.jcw

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Comment #143754 by kaiserkriss on March 14, 2008 at 10:58 am

Paula "For instance, my border collie has a very expressive face. She can, without a shadow of a doubt, express longing, ecstasy, boredom, cheekiness, guilt, contentment, fear, excitement and defiance. Many's the time I've laughed at her complete and utter lack of need for spoken language: in many ways she's more articulate than I am. "

I think it is rather naive of humans to put themselves on a pedestal vs animals as suggested by Mphil. (Admittedly I'm paraphrasing his opinion).

It could be that the experiments done on certain animals to date are not true representatives of the intelligence of their species, similarly to Robertson not being a true representative of the human species. Are we overgeneralizing? I suspect there needs to be MUCH more research into the subject before we can jump to any kinds of conclusions.

Personally I have witnessed intelligence and thought processes in many different animals, though this is admittedly anecdotal. jcw

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Comment #143716 by kaiserkriss on March 14, 2008 at 10:13 am

Dr Benway:

Now that was over the top. That picture looks just like Stewart in the office around the corner from me..jcw

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Comment #142975 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 9:36 am

Steve, I didn't take offense at all. It is just that sometimes with the benefit of hindsight we have the luxury of examining events from many more different angles, and come up with a different solution than the people actually involved at the time of the events in question.

This is especially true when media is tightly controlled by the establishment and knowledge does not flow freely as it does today.

This is similar to our collective argument with religion.jcw

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Comment #142965 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 9:23 am

Clearthinker: From your past few comments, you seem to have gotten my message. You have "toned" your usual aggressive style down. Please keep it up. It makes for more civil discourse. Aggressiveness, as you probably realize will only be countered with further aggression. As a consequence, your arguments will also be taken more seriously. jcw

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Comment #142959 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 9:11 am

Steve said: "Individuals have responsibility for their own actions. "I was just following orders" is not an excuse."

Steve, as the grandson of someone who opposed the Nazi regime early on, and paid the ultimate price for this opposition, I think you are not taking the "ZEITGEIST" into consideration with your statement. If you didn't follow orders, you were executed. This is what happens in a military dictatorship. Correct me if I'm wrong, however I think the same would be true for members of the British military at the time.

With our built in instinct for survival, and passing on our genes, I would guess most individuals would choose life over death. Unless of course you are waiting for the rapture... jcw

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Comment #142953 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 8:58 am

AL, I see your point, however paedophilia would probably reach epidemic proportions, so probably NOT a good idea. jcw

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Comment #142942 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 8:38 am

Re the Bishop: What a (coital expletive) douche-bag.

What happens in the bedrooms of a community between consenting adults is NO one else business.

If anything, I find his chosen lifestyle of celibacy, deceit and indoctrination as abhorrent about which something should be done. jcw

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Comment #142936 by kaiserkriss on March 13, 2008 at 8:27 am

Congratulations to PAULA for getting this thread started, and to all the contributors, including clearthinker (I hold no grudges)Mphil, Steve, eepist, diacnu, drbenway, Richard Morgan and ALL the others who have contributed to this on going discussion.

However the biggest recognition should go to Richard Dawkins (not RMorgan this time) and JOSH for making this site possible, and giving all of us the mental stimulation and opportunity to express our thoughts with other like minded or opposing viewpoints.

What this does is broaden the search for knowledge, something many religions have a problem with, since it questions authority and erodes control over the "faithful".

Religion and political power is all about control of people. The more educated a population becomes, the more it thinks for itself, and the less influence an existing hierarchy has over the people. (Off on a tangent there sorry)

Anyway back to PAULA, you are my kind of person, a first class fruit based distillate, is so superior to hot "strained grass". jcw

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Comment #142355 by kaiserkriss on March 12, 2008 at 11:32 am

Re clearthinker: (still think its an oxymoron when related to Robertson) is probably suffering from jet lag and selective memory, and truly because of the load we are heaping upon him and his FCOS duties believes he is forthright and honest.

That some of us here believe he is deluded and dishonest is our problem, since he is PERFECT in his own eyes.

I find it amazing that one of the basic xtian tenets, that of a little humility is lost on this fellow. Does he not have the courage to admit to not knowing everything, and occasionally (more often than not), being WRONG? What a sorry example he makes for his cause. jcw

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Comment #141835 by kaiserkriss on March 11, 2008 at 9:24 am

fidesetratio wrote:"As I'm not a scientist I leave science to those that study it and assume that, as many scientists believe in God, there's no conflict there anyway. At their core thay are both a search for the truth,etc."

Well, I've been an Earth Scientist for over 30 years, and STILL don't know everything about my particular speciality, unlike others on this thread who seem to know everything about everything, yet when pressed offer little about their own speciality. (Are you listening Robertson?)

I work with many theist scientists who genuinely believe in the scientific method for 6 days of the week, yet on Sunday, they are suddenly young earth creationists. The only explanation when confronted with this contradiction is irrationality and compartmentalizing, something certain individuals are very good at. Close the eyes, close the ears and go LA_LA in a loud voice.

Others will offer the comfort religion / belief brings to them to their non argument defense. Just because someone has the credentials, or professes to be a Scientist does NOT make them rational people. jcw

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Comment #140708 by kaiserkriss on March 8, 2008 at 11:53 am

Cartomancer: ROFL!!

Paula, RichardM: "Innocent exterior" More like a sharp tongued Pixie throwing her "dust" at the theists like there is no tomorrow.jcw

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Comment #140517 by kaiserkriss on March 7, 2008 at 3:55 pm

Richard Morgan... Now, now, don't get carried away "serenading" WeeFlea. His overinflated irrational ego just might not get the irony and burst.jcw

PS Keep up the great work though. I REALLY enjoyed We saw the comet.

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Comment #139847 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 2:50 pm

I've been running seti since "the beginning of time" and have added climateprediction to one of my other machines.

I have never had any problems related to bonic. Some network guys are not at all happy about it for reasons that seem irrational to me. jcw

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Comment #139695 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 12:06 pm

Steve said: "I want it to fade into the background and become as causally accepted as heterosexuality."

YES, I totally agree. Sexual orientation, either way is a personal and private matter, and totally irrelevant to a persons worth. jcw

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Comment #139684 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 11:52 am

Paula: Maybe it is my age or general demeanor, however I personally wouldn't get upset at someone "tolerating" my atheism, just as I tolerate their religiousness. At least they have moved forwards, and no longer condemn it.

English is difficult enough without getting into word games when trying to communicate with like minded individuals.

On the other hand, I have little tolerance of individuals such as the weaflea. jcw

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Comment #139666 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 11:31 am

Steve : Without wanting to open another can of worms, I do see your point, however instead of having the word "homosexuals" in al's post, would you feel the same if the word "atheists", or "religions" would have been used, obviously in an appropriate context?

While you are correct, are you not also being a little pedantic? Not everyone is as good at expressing him/ herself as you, Paula and many others on this board. Just a thought...jcw

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Comment #139643 by kaiserkriss on March 6, 2008 at 10:03 am

Mphil:
I found this in FOCUS magazine. I must admit I found this rather appalling. I never thought some visible minorities were so thin skinned as to be offended by this book. Any comments?

http://www.focus.de/kultur/buecher/antisemitismus_aid_264114.html

For the Anglophones on this thread, unfortunately the link is to a German web site. Apparently an atheist children's book has been declared to contain anti Semitic pictures and text. jcw

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Comment #137907 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 3:10 pm

Everyone:

Thanks for your compliments, however I can't take credit for this. I just thought this would be a group that would appreciate it. It reminded me of the Bugs Bunny, Christopher Columbus cartoon " The Earth, she's a flaaat like a pizza pie"

SG I'm not quite that ancient (1918), but I got a great chuckle out of the Tetrahedron illustration of the earth before continental drift. If I remember correctly Wegener didn't postulate that until the mid twenties.. Thanks anyway! jcw

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Comment #137832 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 2:19 pm

I wish I could take credit for the following passage sent to me by a friend:

hello, wea flea, etc. eat your heart out...

What the Bible Tells Us About Our Planet Earth.

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
Revelation 7:1 (NIV translation)

It is a well-established Biblical fact that the Earth is flat and immobile. Every good Biblical literalist knows the Scriptural passages which demonstrate that the Earth does not move and that its surface is not curved: Daniel 4:10-11, Matthew 4:8, Joshua 10:12, 1 Chronicles 16:30, Psalms 93:1 & 96:10 & 104:5, Isaiah 45:18; the list goes on and on.

But far too many lazy Biblical literalists today ignore the plain fact that the Bible also tells us that the flat Earth does not have curved edges. Even the late, great Charles K. Johnson, the valiant fighter for the Truth who carried the message of the earlier Zetetic Astronomers forward into the twentieth and twenty-first centuries by founding the International Flat Earth Society, made the grievous error of assuming that the Earth was shaped like a circular disk. Nothing could be further from the Truth.

The Book of Revelation, chapter 7, verse 1, makes the following unmistakable statement about the shape of the Earth

After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.

This clearly shows that the Earth has exactly four corners. One might argue that the edges of the Earth between these four corners could be curved. But look at the following passages in the Book of Job

for he views the ends of the earth and sees everything under the heavens.
Job 28:24 (NIV translation)

He unleashes his lightning beneath the whole heaven and sends it to the ends of the earth.
Job 37:3 (NIV translation)

Both of these passages clearly state that the earth has ends â€" that is, straight edges. This, combined with the four corners provided in Revelation 7:1, means that the Earth must be some kind of quadrilateral shape. The possibilities are:

Square
Non-square rectangle
Non-square rhombus (i.e. a "diamond" shape)
Non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram
Trapezoid
Concave quadrilateral
Isosceles quadrilateral
Scalene quadrilateral

Narrowing down the possibilities, we can find more information about the shape of the Earth in the Book of Isaiah

He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth.
Isaiah 11:12 (NIV translation)

A quarter, of course, means exactly one-fourth. In order for the Earth to have four quarters, it must be of a shape that is divisible into four pieces that are all exactly the same shape and size as one another, i.e. four congruent pieces. Not all quadrilateral shapes can be divided into four congruent pieces. In fact, the only kinds of quadrilateral shapes that can be divided into four congruent pieces are the following

(so, in light of Isaiah 11:12, the two Job passages, and Revelation 7:1), the possible shapes of the Earth are limited to

Square
Non-square rectangle
Non-square rhombus
Non-rectangular, non-rhombic parallelogram
Isosceles trapezoid with three sides of identical length
Isosceles trapezoid with the shorter parallel side 1/3 the length of the longer parallel side
Isosceles concave quadrilateral .

Finally, we can look to the mention of the four winds in Revelation 7:1 to give us the last clue. Everybody knows that "the four winds" are the North Wind, the South Wind, the East Wind, and the West Wind. Right?

Well, Revelation 7:1 clearly shows four angels holding back these four winds. In order for each angel to "hold back" one of the Four Winds, he would have to be standing at the point on the Earth from whence the Wind originated. Thus, to hold back the North Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the northernmost point on the Earth. To hold back the South Wind, an angel would have to be standing at the southernmost point on the Earth. Et cetera.

The four angels would have to have been standing at the northernmost, southernmost, easternmost, and westernmost points on the Earth â€" in other words, at the extreme ends of the four main compass points.

But we already know that they were also standing at the four corners of the Earth. This means that the four corners of the Earth are located at the compass points! A non-square rectangle, a non-rhombic parallelogram, or an isosceles trapezoid cannot be aligned in such a way that their corners are pointing directly at the compass points. Only a rhombic shape can be aligned in such a way.

Therefore, when we have carefully examined all the clues in Revelation 7:1, combined with the two Job passages and Isaiah 11:12, the only two possible shapes for the Earth are a square, or
a non-square rhombus . . . with its corners oriented to point directly north, south, east, and west.

We know that God is perfect. God would, therefore, have created the Earth in the most perfect shape possible. As I've already proven, we know from Rev 7:1, Isaiah 11:12, and Job that the Earth must be a rhombus of some sort. It makes good Biblical sense that God would have created Earth to be the most perfect kind of rhombus possible. The most perfect kind of rhombus is the square. Its rectilinear corners perfectly match the rectitude of God. Therefore, the Earth must be square.

And if that's not enough to convince you, consider this: Of all the nations on Earth today, God most loves the United States of America. This is evident from the fact that Pat Robertson, God's chosen spokesman, lives in the U.S. One of America's main pastimes is the game of baseball. Baseball is played on a "diamond", which is perfectly square in shape â€" and which, I might add, has its corners oriented to point toward the four compass points. God would not have made baseball into the national pastime of His 'favourite' nation if He didn't have a higher purpose in mind for it. Clearly, His higher purpose is to show us the true shape of the Earth. The Earth must be perfectly square, just like the diamond-shaped field in God's chosen sport is square.

Take a gander at this passage from First Samuel

He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of glory: for the pillars of the earth are the Lord's, and he hath set the world upon them.
1 Samuel 2:8 (KJV translation)

This clearly shows that the Earth rests on an unspecified number of pillars (Discworld fans take note). A couple of translations of the Old Testament floating around say "foundations" or "fixtures" in place of pillars, but the original Hebrew word that appears here is "matsuwq", which literally means a cast metal support, a pillar, or a column. What the pillars themselves are resting on is unknown. They might not be resting upon anything. Perhaps they are being held up by divine grace. Perhaps they are infinitely tall. All we know for sure is that a set of pillars beneath the Earth must exist.

This means that Hell, which is under the Earth, is interrupted by pillars in some places. This may explain how Satan is going to break out of Hell after the thousand years of peace in Revelation: perhaps he's going to climb up one of these pillars. This is a speculation for another webpage, however.

F.A.Qs

"Can I believe in the round Earth and still get into heaven?"
No. As you know, if you do not accept every word in the bible as literally true, you are not really accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior and are doomed to burn in Hell for all eternity. God won't let any half-assed believers into heaven.

"What about all those pictures from space, showing that the Earth is round?"
Just more proof that Hollywood is in league with the devil. Charles K. Johnson of the International Flat Earth Society has already demonstrated that every picture of the "Earth" as seen from "space" was faked. In fact, the entire NASA space program is a sham. The movie Capricorn One was a documentary about how the Apollo moon mission was faked; the people who worked on the movie knew all about this, but were told to keep quiet. O.J. Simpson, one of the stars of Capricorn One, was going to come forward with THE TRUTH, but he was silenced by being framed for the murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ron Goldman. The conspirators agreed to convince the jury to hand over a "not guilty" verdict only because O.J. Simpson promised not to go public with the cover-up.

"How come no airline pilots have ever reported seeing the edges of the Earth?"
Airline pilots are also in league with the devil. This is for your protection. If True Believers were allowed to pilot airliners, many planes would instantly become unmanned during the pre-Tribulation Rapture, thus crashing and killing everybody on board. When crossing the Equator or the Prime Meridian, airline pilots have to make sharp 90-degree turns to follow the square contours of the Earth. They hide this fact by blaming it on "turbulence."

"Couldn't the phrase 'four corners of the Earth' in Revelation 7:1 merely be a commonly-used metaphor for the farthest reaches of the Earth?"
Beware the slippery slope of interpreting a Biblical passage as "metaphor," for that way surely leads to Death. Next, you'll be saying the Earth wasn't created in six literal days, or that the Earth wasn't literally split in two in Genesis 10:25, and then your daughters will grow up to be temple prostitutes and your children will learn how to cast real spells by playing Dungeons & Dragons® and locusts will descend upon Israel and lions will lie down with lambs. They've already kicked God out of our schools because of such thinking. Don't let Satan convert even more souls away from the One True Way than he already has.

"What about Isaiah 40:22?"
Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22 reads (in the NIV translation)

He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in.

Does this mean the Earth is circular? Not at all. If it were circular, Job's mention of the ends of the Earth would be meaningless. The word translated as "circle" in this verse is the Hebrew "chuwg", which can mean circle, but can also mean circuit or compass. When occurring by itself, this word can also mean the vault of the heavens. This verse probably refers to the fact that God sits enthroned above the vault of the heavens, which encompasses the whole Earth. Besides, everyone knows that tents are supposed to be square.

"What can I do in my community to make the heathenous Round-Earthers see the light?"
Show them this webpage. Take out your own bible, and show them Revelation 7:1, Isaiah 11:12, and the two Job passages. If that doesn't convince them, you can use your bible to hit them on top of the head and shout, "Earth square!". Hold Square Dances where you hand out International Square Earth Society literature. March in picket lines in front of globe manufacturers with signs reading "Earth square!", "Satan says the Earth is round," "No round Earths", etc.. Boycott Rand McNally. Buy square Earth maps and place them prominently in classrooms and on bulletin boards. Yell at the school board and demand "equal time" for the "equally valid" scientific theory that the Earth is square, while reminding them that the notion of a round Earth is "just a theory." Hold up signs saying "Rev 7:1" for the cameras at football games. There's so much one person can do to spread the Word that it's impossible to list all the possibilities here.



jcw

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Comment #137778 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 1:19 pm

SharonMcT.. A fellow Albertan!!
Actually to split the difference and get into the true bible belt, Richard D should come to Red Deer, and while he is at it visit the Creationist museum in Stettler. Edmontonians and Calgarians can should be able to meet half ways.

Despite the poor choices for today's election, I WILL exercise my franchise today and vote for Peter Griffin from Family Guy. jcw

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Comment #137689 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 10:52 am

al, I like to have transportation lined up on the other side. :-) Seriously, I don't think the border is a porous as Home land security propaganda likes to make out.

You are mixing the Sutter brothers up with this Suter. Now some of the kids are in the NHL. Gary Suter came from Madison Wisconsin. jcw

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Comment #137671 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 10:28 am

I'd even settle for an RD showing in Vancouver.. Travelling to and from the US is such a pain these days, so much so that I try to avoid it as much as possible.

YUP Al McInnis, the mullet man! I was really sorry to see him get traded. Together with Gary Suter, the Flames had a wicked power play that remains to be emulated anywhere in the league.jcw

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Comment #137663 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 10:21 am

al-rawandi: Yeah I know about the US Swing. Actually I live in Calgary, Alberta with population of about 1 million. We even had the Winter Olympics in 1988, so we ARE on the world map as opposed to a place such as Moose Jaw Saskatchewan, or Hicksville Alabama (sorry that was a low blow). jcw

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Comment #137647 by kaiserkriss on March 3, 2008 at 9:41 am

Paula, I couldn't think of a more appropriate individual than you to moderate the interview with Richard D at the upcoming event. Just wish I could be there. Congratulations!

RICHARD D : Wish you would show your face more often in the "Colonies" bible belt, specifically Western Canada, rather than just the British Isles bible belt. There are many fence sitters here who would benefit from your wisdom, clarity, intellect and ability to explain difficult concepts in easily understandable terms. jcw

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Comment #137247 by kaiserkriss on March 2, 2008 at 2:57 pm

Diacanu.. I took it as a compliment!! jcw

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Comment #137237 by kaiserkriss on March 2, 2008 at 2:48 pm

Diacanu said "He's lying for Jesus, and it's a heroic thing."

Err.. Thanks for reiterating what I said in post 137147 jcw

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Comment #137232 by kaiserkriss on March 2, 2008 at 2:43 pm

scottishgeologist said: "What is truly unbelievable is that some people actually get taken in by all this."

Most people unfortunately don't think about these things because they are too busy with other things. What is unfortunate, is that when they go and relax on the Sabbath, some moron in a smock has the gall to present a cock and bull story to them that is swallowed hook line and sinker. jcw

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Comment #137147 by kaiserkriss on March 2, 2008 at 12:26 pm

Re the Wea Flea:
One despicable sick puppy. In his mind he can and will justify everything since his path is leading him closer to his mythical hero jesus.

Sort of reminds me of young kids getting totally involved with the current fad, be it Lord of the Rings, Matrix etc. Should DR INDEED not be suffering from some sort of mental illness, he needs to grow up and try living outside his fantasy world and smell the roses. Some of the things he spouts off, be it in the heat of the moment and not thought through properly are truly offensive to anyone with a modicum of a sense of right and wrong.

On top of that he does not Even posses a little humility, or the cojones to admit to his mistakes or short comings, a pathetic individual indeed. jcw

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Comment #137040 by kaiserkriss on March 2, 2008 at 7:56 am

Billy Sands " Steve, I really do wonder if David is actually mentally ill"

Yup, I agree without throwing out an ad Hominem here. I even suggested schizophrenia, for which I was chastised, not only by the "patient", but also by one of "us".

If DR is not mentally ill, his musings would suggest he is in fact the EXACT opposite of what he espouses to be, namely a untruthful, disingenuous person with selective or non existent short term memory dysfunction.

In the REAL world as opposed to "fable land" DR would have extreme difficulty finding a job, let alone holding one down given his predispositions. jcw

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Comment #136565 by kaiserkriss on March 1, 2008 at 12:22 pm

NMcC:

Puleese, Grow up, what DrBenway said in her last few posts. Put the shoe on the other foot. IF one of DR's minions/ followers had pulled the same stunt on you, you probably would NOT have been amused in the slightest, and quite rightly so.

You have had your Pi-Pi whacked, take it like a man and stop whining about freedom of speech.

In most parts of the world, and probably until recently in your neck of Ireland, given its sectarian history, such jokes (death threats)don't go across very well and could get you into a lot of hot water. While such juvenile banter may seem cute or macho or clever on the spur of the moment, should you in future wish do risk your otherwise good name, do it in the form of PERSONAL MESSAGES with your co adversary. Just my 2 cents worth and probably that of others as well. jcw

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Comment #133739 by kaiserkriss on February 26, 2008 at 4:21 pm

al, sorry for being so pedantic, however I think you meant:
Spottgeburt aus Dreck und Feuer, roughly translated as "A ridiculous birth from dirt and fire". jcw

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Comment #133717 by kaiserkriss on February 26, 2008 at 3:25 pm

Does the wea flea get a separate page?

I think Adam must have been a really old dude by the time he finished with the last naming ceremony. Assuming each naming ceremony took 1 hour (got to make notes and catalog things)and he worked 12 hours a day, 6 days a week (resting and worshipping on the seventh), it would have taken him 480 years. Hmmm..

Also what happened to Adam's book? Was it not deemed worthy by the bishops at the first council of Nicaea to be included into the holy book?

Questions, questions. Robertson, where are you when we need you? jcw

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Comment #133591 by kaiserkriss on February 26, 2008 at 12:11 pm

"To be honest, Quetz, I even prefer wooter to Roberston. There isn't the scheming."

I couldn't agree more.jcw

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Comment #133104 by kaiserkriss on February 25, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Having had a more serious look at Paula's review of Robertson's work, and witnessed his invective on this post along, the question begs to be asked if Robertson suffers from Schizophrenia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

Without trying to be vindictive, mean, post an adhominem, he seems to possess some of the basic symptoms.."most commonly manifesting as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions or disorganized speech and thinking in the context of significant social or occupational dysfunction"

Maybe the guy is screaming out for medical attention and no one is hearing him.. Just a thought. jcw

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Comment #132910 by kaiserkriss on February 25, 2008 at 11:53 am

Response to Chapter 5
Those wicked theists: Lets rattle of all the Roman Emperors, Kings of Europe, Leaders of the Ottoman Empire, Current politicians including Bush, Blair, Mugabe. The list is endless.

To only have the usual 4 suspects named as atheists is not bad at all. Looks like try as they might, they can't come up with any more. jcw

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Comment #132886 by kaiserkriss on February 25, 2008 at 11:14 am

While I don't want to detract anything from Paula's fine working in exposing the fallacies of some of the other fleas, I'm not going to waste my time and put money into the coffers of anther neo Luddite.

These people just don't get it, that THEY are the ones whose values need questioning. They live in their own little self important world trying to save similar minded individuals from themselves. To make matters worse, in many cases they are illiterate, and often cannot even understand the irony when their own tactics are reversed on to them by claiming ad hominem and ignorance.

Robertson are you paying attention???jcw

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Comment #132356 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 4:11 pm

Cartomancer, I wouldn't waste my time doing that. A couple of episodes of The Simpsons or Family Guy in Latin would be much more entertaining, even for those "warmduscher" in Rome. jcw

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Comment #132332 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Well Goldy, my other language is German (as you might have guessed). I also have a minor understanding Italian, Maltese and Farsi, but besides a few years of Latin and French in School several decades ago, my current written language skills (though they are poor) are restricted to English and German.

Which brings me to another point I noticed on this board, though English is the common language, there are MANY different sources for that English. Often a sentence can mean different things, depending on your "native" English tongue.

We have Aussies, Canadians, South Africans, Kiwis, Scotsmen and women, Yorkshire men, Welsh Irish and United States of Americans, ALL of whom have a slightly different take on the meaning of certain phrase and words. I don't want to forget all the other contributors whose second language is English either.

It is sometimes amusing to note how arguments occur because of different understanding, or poor understanding of even simple words, because of poor comprehension of the other persons "written" accent even though it is still English. jcw

191. Fleabytes

Comment #132295 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 3:07 pm

Brian: Same here,however the fleas would argue: Deus fecit, ut id facerem! jcw

192. Fleabytes

Comment #132283 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 2:47 pm

"Quod licet Jovi, non licet Bovi" seems to be the guiding phrase for our fleas. jcw

193. The Lava Lizard's Tale

Comment #132175 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 12:04 pm

RM.. I never though you had that kind of talent stored within you, since you always come across as a "Cantankerous" but kind hearted, and reasonable individual, if prodded enough.. ;-)

Good for you, Keep it up. Any Other hidden artistic talents floating around the Board?jcw

194. Fleabytes

Comment #132126 by kaiserkriss on February 24, 2008 at 9:08 am

mikejswalker wrote:"Does anyone believe he does not sincerely believe what he says he does?"

Can't speak for the rest of the posters who have engaged Robertson, however from my personal experience in interpreting his reactions to others and myself, I have concluded (until proven otherwise) that he is a fanatic, delusional shit disturber, ignoring inconvenient arguments.

Like everybody else I meet in the real world, or the ether of the Internet, I'm willing to give everyone a fair chance to prove themselves. In fact when I FIRST ran into DR on this site, I felt a slight admiration for the courage displayed by the guy for going into the lions den, and his obvious typing skills.

However that was quickly dispelled by his poor arguments, snide remarks and rudeness (very unChristian). He not only ignores acknowledgement of good arguments, and like a decent human being claim ignorance, but worse still tries to hide behind bluster and verbosity. As I said elsewhere, in a way, I feel sorry for the guy who has wasted the better part of his life, but is probably too stubborn to realize it. Anyway, my 2cents worth. jcw

195. The coming religious peace

Comment #131866 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 1:37 pm

Ah Yes, the "Defender of the Faiths"..The poor sole (er make that soul)can't help that he was not endowed with more grey matter and put into such a ridiculous profession and the public eye he probably would have never chosen for himself.

As for the Archbishop; just goes to show that having a PhD in religious studies is about as useful and intellectually challenging as a PhD in basket weaving. That this deluded individual has an unelected seat in government is just another reason why I personally find the way we govern ourselves to be completely outdated, and at worst another reason I would consider myself an anarchist.

If the survey is correct, it amazes me that religion and its trappings STILL has such power over the ordinary citizen, and that the minority Muslim population is getting away with such extreme views. jcw

196. Fleabytes

Comment #131844 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 12:37 pm

D'Arcy said "Mussolini was a good Catholic wasn't he? We don't hear his name mentioned in the same tone as the Great Atheist Satans, Hitler and Stalin. I wonder why not?"

BINGO, he was a good god fearing Catholic, whereas Adolf was a lot more ambiguous, as would be expected from the great manipulator that he was. jcw

197. The coming religious peace

Comment #131841 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 12:33 pm

Steve Z said: "This is why I mentioned the increasing defensivness of religious organisations. They are struggling to maintain their hold".

Very true and insightful Steve. jcw

198. The coming religious peace

Comment #131832 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 12:06 pm

"And religious leaders prone to fanaticism are likely to find that the price of using force to spread God's word, or to try to monopolize it, will be a greatly diminished hold on the future."

I sincerely hope this guy is correct. Take note Robertson.jcw

199. Fleabytes

Comment #131776 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 9:08 am

NMcC: Must have been a Freudian slip the first time. To be fair, despite many Christians and Muslims being fanatics, I do know quite a few who are actually decent people who just haven't seen the light yet.

Now that sounds quite elitist!!jcw

200. Fleabytes

Comment #131774 by kaiserkriss on February 23, 2008 at 8:58 am

NMcC: OOPSY, good catch!! Ha, Ha, Now if only I could edit that to FRIENDS..