Comments by Goldy

2001. For sale: 13-year-old virgin

Comment #160924 by Goldy on April 14, 2008 at 2:45 pm

If there is not God, Henri Bergson is right...

So you religious types need the threat of punishment to keep your lusts and immorality in check?
Hmmm...religion - something to calm the perverts...makes sense.

2002. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160915 by Goldy on April 14, 2008 at 2:40 pm

I was basically good without God for over thirty years.

I am now basically good with God.

I don't know any serious person (Christian or otherwise) that would assert that one cannot be good without God.

Kardy, you were you without God (or at least, his voice in your head). You are you with God (at least, etc, etc).
What changed in between? A voice in your head. The god you describe could, in the wrong (or right) circumstances get you killed if others think you a blasphemer.
You haven't told me if you take all your knowledge of Jesus from the gospels...given that paul might have spun them a bit and all...

As for all the religious people coming here saying you pray for people like me - do something a bit more useful. Give to your communities actively. Travel a bit. Help the needy. Get off your smug arses (or knees) and stop telling me you're praying for me. I don't need it. If I do need it, I'm sure I'll be more grateful for something a bit more here and now and constructive. Save your money, don't over extend your credit, drive less, eat less, exercise more, cycle when you think you want to drive.
Just stop wasting time in prayer.

2003. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160904 by Goldy on April 14, 2008 at 2:32 pm

It's been my experience (for 50 years), that people who behave like you did (in your article), do so because they're deeply afraid of Jesus.

But...

God loves you dude!

So why should we be afraid, Jesus being God as well as his son and all?
Does this also cover other religions?
50 wasted years - sad.

2004. Richard Dawkins' secular army must be stopped. God is behind some of our greatest art

Comment #160397 by Goldy on April 14, 2008 at 3:15 am

Neolithic cave paintings are a work of God? Methinks the big G as not even born when they were daubed on the walls in an inaccessible part of a cave.
Opinions, all it is. Read the Guardian's gushing praise of Bob Mugabe when Ian Smith's Rhodesia passed into the history books. They are singing from a different hymn sheet now...

2005. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160389 by Goldy on April 14, 2008 at 2:56 am

Kardy, somehow my questions don't feel answered to me. I'm still "hungry"!
And then you come out with the "Jesus did..." and "Jesus said..."
How do you know? You already said that the Pauline spin is there and apparent. Seems Jesus' own family were written out of the whole Christianity story after his death. How can you then say, hand on heart, that what Jesus is meant to have said and done is correct and true?

Edit - like here

Jesus was quite clear on this, as portrayed in the gospels

I particularly liked your use of the word "portrayed". It is just a portrayal - the artist definitely had an agenda, a picture he wanted to portray. We know the influence Paul had on the gospels and on what the early Christian cultists had to read and to think, which sources he approved of and which he didn't. We can gather he was a regular Benny Hinn character, what with his sailing around the Med telling people everywhere what Jesus was meant to have said and, more importantly, what Jesus was meant to have meant.
C'mon, dude (if I may use your expression) - we're all above all that literalist stuff here. You talk to the big G, to the Father (who is also the Son....damn, bit like that 60 Minutes program I just watched about incestual families in a way). We know God, according to you, has a plan, seems we can gather he can bend the laws of Nature (virgin birth NOT resulting in a female - that's pretty damn good going. Wonder who the Y chromosome donor was...) and, more importantly, of man. Shit, he can't even do that nowadays - all those honour killings and stuff are done in his name, with seemingly his approval (he loves a sacrifice really. He doesn't have to say it in a booming voice coming out of the heavens, he tells people like you what he wants - the rest of us just listen and blindly accept because...well, it's God talking through you. What makes you different from that priest or imam who live their lives for God?).
It's so self apparent I see even Bonzai said it

God cannot possibly be the answer to where morality comes from because God never talks to us, we only hear from humans who claim to know what God wants but they all disagree with each other, sometimes violently. They cannot even agree on how to interpret their own "holy books"(that leads one to wonder if God might have needed a course in good communication)

Trust me, I hadn't even got as far as reading Bonzai's comment. Like Wallace to Darwin, I am to Bonzai - an independent source.

2006. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160273 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:37 pm

Max

Oh and how can you know God wasn't talkig to Jim Jones when he told every one to drink the Kool-aide?
God did tell Abraham to kill Isaac.
And many other human sacrifices occur in the book to placate God or protect his servants.

I know you don't think that the bible is a work of literal truth, you do think it is a worthy way to apply God's plan.

Kardy said

I simply see the Bible as being good enough for God to use it to accomplish His plan.

Maybe God does like the odd sacrifice. Maybe one day soon God'll be asking Kardy for a sacrifice or two as well...

2007. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160270 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:33 pm

Jim Jones actually began his life with Jesus on much more friendly footing. He was a powerful voice for Civil Rights

So was Charlton Heston. Just goes to show - you're only as good as your last job... :-)
I have to ask - what is it about Jesus and swine? Surely in Palestine there would not have been a great swiniculture, would there?

2008. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160266 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:21 pm

I have no such interest, unless you count my fierce adherence to the wish that I can control my own destiny

Better tell God to sling his hook, then, cos that's not what he has planned for you ;-)
Joke, sorry, couldn't resist :-)

2009. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160264 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:18 pm

Goldy,
I actually read about this god in Dan Simmon's Hyperion Cantos! Funny you should say what you said.

:-) And you know, I have never heard of Dan Simmon or Hyperion Cantos.
Illustrates a point, though. I believe, Kardy, you once said God spoke to you of things you never knew about. Is this, then, God nudging me? Or are some ideas there and they just come out - sounding, at times, as other people's (or, indeed, divine beings') ideas?

2010. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160262 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:13 pm

I think that the concept of an omnipotent, omniscient god is the minority view among theists, historically

Errr, you sure? As I recall he "is, was and evermore shall be". He is onmiscient and omnipotent - Rowan Atkinson used this knowledge to good effect (or was that Mel Smith? Probably Mel Smith) in some comedy sketch. God is eternal and he knows all - that's why we pray.
Hardly straw man arguments.
I'm merely accusing you of "Mysterianism" to prod your mind to think about how you have to put all this info so I can understand. It's hard - this IS God we're discussing, after all :-)

2011. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160258 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:09 pm

Perhaps you have forgotten my discussion of the mechanism of creation. God "made" Himself in the future. We are a part of that process. He needs us like you need your ancestors...

At the speed these things go, maybe don't edit replies (or at least label the edit if you feel the urge to) or they'll get lost.
So...God is us? Or the celestial breeder? God made himself in the future? So he's a concept - he made himself in his mind? We are just the process to get God-now to be God-then? Or are we God?

2012. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160255 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:06 pm

Yah. I can think of only one way to summarize an ontology in just a few words: "It's all in my head."

It is, though, isn't it? There is no God, no gods, not anything. Just a voice in your head, some ideas that you may or may not have actively picked up in your life being personified.
The God you know is what you want this god to be - you've even made him understandable and more human.
My theory, anyway :-) You'll disagree. Everyone disagrees with me :-(

2013. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160253 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 9:02 pm

Uh oh. You may have been infected.

No, but my daughter is all stuffed and wheezy... ;-)
How infected? With or without faith? After all my comment makes sense, right? The Tooth Fairy is a magical being, giver of coins and taker of teeth. It is a bit of a downer when one finds out she is, in fact, your parents.
Same with God - or any other god. If God is revealed, it is no longer a god. Gods are some sort of mysterious unknowables, with strange and supernatural powers.
Your god doesn't appear to have this. Sounds more like some sort of inter-galactic space/time traveller needing to get things done using whatever resources are available. Hardly god-like, is he?

2014. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160244 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:51 pm

I think that Goldy is hungry too... let me assemble my thoughts.

Actually had a rather large helping of dhansak (read earlier posts for recipe) so belly is full.
Goldy is, however, after something that doesn't involve the mysteries of a Delphic chronicle.

2015. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160243 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:49 pm

I am saying that I believe the day will come when there is no denying that God is real, and that there will be plenty of scientific evidence to back it up, in the form of His presence before you.

Scary thought, mind. If and when God does appear, he'll no longer be a god - merely a higher being. It is actually in God's interests to remain hidden.

2016. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160239 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:44 pm

Max

How do you know so much about the mind of God and what he wants us to do?

God speaks (or at least spoke) to him.

2017. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160237 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:43 pm

I believe that God is quite active and that the creation is ongoing, thanks to us.

Again, you're making God do things through the medium of us - hardly freedom, is it?
Creation is on-going? Thanks to us? Why then a god?

2018. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160232 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:40 pm

Our freedom is part of the plan. He cannot "just do it". He needs us to do it.

Why? He made us, apparently, so freedom is a moot point, is it not? He made us becasue he needed us. That's not freedom, at least, not the freedom I know.
Why can't God just do it?

2019. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160223 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Hey Kardy.
Lumping you with the other theists? Moi? Mais non, old boy! ;-)
One wee point

Evolution by natural selection has been on the wane for thousands of years (at least in species with which humans interact),...

This research suggests the opposite
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/26/science/26human.html?scp=51&sq=human evolution&st=nyt
We are not like our ancestors of even 1000 years ago (by the way, while looking for the above link, I found this for csrbm http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/18/science/18mora.html?_r=1&scp=33&sq=human evolution&st=nyt&oref=slogin)

Perhaps you've noticed that I have commented several times about my distaste for Paul, and my unwillingness to treat the canonical Bible as the single (literal) source for understanding Christianity.

I simply see the Bible as being good enough for God to use it to accomplish His plan.

How then can you understand Christianity? All we have are what has been allowed to filter down the ages to us. Unless you knew Jesus a bit better, all you know of Christianity is from Paul and his spin. You are then not a Christian, I take it. More a, well, a Kardashovellist :-)
How can the Bible be good enough for God to accomplish his plan? Why doesn't he just make it so - he is God, after all. Please explain. Simple words, skip the mystery, the "God works in mysterious ways", etc. If God has a plan, why not just do it?

2020. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions

Comment #160186 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 7:37 pm

Ohmygod (excuse the profanity), I really don't want to offend anyone, but I thought the famed Dawkins cheerleading club was composed mostly of bright folks. I now have some doubts and I'm out of here (again). See you.

It is.
You are the weakest link
Goodbye.

2021. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #160173 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 7:06 pm

It was the Prussian army model that made the English/American school system such a soul-crushing drone factory after all.

And gave the British bobby his helmet :-)
http://www.britishpolicehelmet.co.uk/
Check it out - scroll down - think the date was 1863.

2022. Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher

Comment #160164 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 6:48 pm

Sorry, I'm not into many Austrian/German things.
Something in the water over there, I dunno, they had a propensity for militaristic cookie cutter robots in a row stuff long before it went too far and became Nazis.

Methinks you're confusing Austrians and Germans with Prussians. Never catch Bavarians or Austrians being so authoritative! A rather wide brush there, old boy (speaking as one with an Austrian mother). Read The Good Soldier Svejk - that's the Austrian of the militaristic pre-WWI period. He was Czech.
My turn to be a tad aggreived!

2023. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions

Comment #160161 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 6:42 pm

Why do you ask? You a racist bigot?

You looking for a disciple? ;-)
But yeah, I guess those piles of Armenian skulls turning to dust in the Syrian deserts are but...well, nothing. Just natural. I guess the sudden dearth of Jews after the war in middle Europe was just a consequence, that the trials and records found concerning the death of Jews and other undesireables a conspiracy theory.
You sound like an Arab - everything is a conspiracy.
My mother remember the Jews disappearing. She also very much remembers the local opinion of Jews. Somehow the two can't be related, can they...nah! Of course not. They just got deported to...ummm, well, where ever one had a camp of a few million people who, would you believe, no one can trace. And after having been at the receiving end of...how did you put it?

...pressed on all sides by advancing enemy armies, its cities reduced to rubble to a historically unprecedented scale, the population in hidding, in flight under devastating bombing, or being massacred, robbed and raped by invading armies, its hospitals crammed, its communication infrastructure in shambles, its road and railroad systems utterly disrupted and under attack from both high-altitude bombers and low-flying ground attack planes,...

it does seem odd that all the Austrians remained but all the Jews left.
Hey, maybe the Nazis were in contact with aliens! Yeah, that'd be it - all those millions of disappeared people (unlike the deported Germans, Tatars and other ethnic soviet minorities) are in fact in a distant planet...

2024. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160121 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 4:54 pm

Quine

I will probably read it.

I might too - but I do have to read a few fleas to get a balance :-) People will think I'm biased ;-)
Reporting Religion, on the BBC (the other link) is quite good. I do like listening to it. Liked the Nigerian morality laws they want to pass - an unholy alliance between Pentecostalists and Muslims deciding what women are allowed to wear :-) As someone pointed out on, I think, another program, traditionally women in Africa didn't wear too much...until religion came in from the north...

2025. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions

Comment #160117 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 4:48 pm

What are your views on the Armenian Holocaust? That false too?

2026. Richard Dawkins on The Big Questions

Comment #160115 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 4:46 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/reporting_religion.shtml
Have a listen. Jesus might have existed, but Paul is who the "Christians" worship :-)
I guess all those jewish Holocaust survivors were all wrong too. As were the gypsies, Slavs and other undersireables. All a Zionist conspiracy...
You an Arab?

2027. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160113 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 4:39 pm

Talking of Lying for Jesus, anyone seen this?
http://www.barriewilson.com/hjbc.html
I heard it on the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/programmes/reporting_religion.shtml
All about Pauline spin to get a religion started :-)
What do you say to that, Kardy, csrbm et al?

2028. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #160112 by Goldy on April 13, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Golly, this still going? csrbm - who defines handicapped, infirm, genetically weak - all those Nazi-istic thoughts you seem to be confsing with evolution (Darwin just described the process, as did Wallace. Do you refer to gravity as Newtonistic? Powered heavier than air flight as Wrightist?).
Why are they condusive to betterment? After all, sickle cell anaemia survived because of evolutionary pressures. As did lactose tolerance, blue eyes and red hair :-) Cows and doggies underwent selection but buggered if I would describe them as particularly fit in evolutionary terms...

2029. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158803 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:55 am

Paula, I have to say what exposure I have had to Christianity here has made me shudder what sort of people preached to me at school. They seemed so nice then!
Ah, well, they'll burn in hell :-D
Right, definitely off to bed!
G'nite all!

2030. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158800 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:52 am

Steve, he'll have to show that Jesus' commands are actually Jesus' commands.

2031. Discussion between Richard Dawkins and Paula Kirby

Comment #158797 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:51 am

Neal, I have read a lot of the DNA sitting in our genome is but a gift of viri that infected our ancestors. A lot is sold crap, a lot is just jumbled garbage and a lot is...well, we don't know yet. In fact, a lot of the "garbage" might be damn important! We don't know yet.
Might be that they do influence the person. We can only find out is we can knock it out and see the difference. Diseases do that for us...but we can't just go in and do it as that is immoral.
We're finding out more and more.
What answer you get here might be shown to be wrong in the future. Take everything people tell you here with a touch of scepticism and follow up on the research opportunities presented to you :-) The journey is better than any answer!

2032. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158794 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:43 am

To set up Dawkins as some kind idol that needs to be knocked down truly is a straw man. My ideas would not change in the absence of Dawkins, and neither, I suspect would those of many others here

True, I have been an athiest since, well, at least the 70s. Not bad for a 10 year old, methinks :-)
Odd, don't you think. I presume they come to change our views, but only succeed in entrnching them more. They appear to take pride in it - a sin, as I recall, and one which earns them a place in Hell.
Must be the Jesus Special Suicide Squad :-)

2033. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158792 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:40 am

Is your whole argument that if a person is tricked by someone once in their life that all they achieve or think for ever after is worthless idiocy?

AllanW, methinks he has never seen Life of Brian ;-)

2034. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158790 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:38 am

I don't know what Hitler believed, but he certainly wasn't Christian. His actions were completely contrary to what Jesus teaches. You're not a Christian because you say you're a christian, or because you go to church for that matter. You're a christian if you believe in and obey Jesus' commands.

Ah, yes, the good old "That's not MY God!" argument. Trouble is, every person has his or her own interpretation of Jesus' command. Including Paul, who you slavishly follow now. How do you know you are following Jesus' teaching? After all, EVERYTHING you know about Jesus is what Paul said and I hear Jesus' own brother didn't agree with him.
How many gospels have you read? 4? That it? Just the Nicean gospels? And you know they are the right ones? The Muslims claim Jesus was a prophet of God and Mohammed was God's last prophet - how does that square into your argument? They wrong? If so, how do you know?

2035. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158786 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:30 am

Bugger me, there was a cretin called Vulcan? Only an idiot would identify himslef by a pagan god. Ummm, I am assuming he was a Christian - sounds stupid enough, but pther religions are just as stupid...read the slavery articles I posted.
Ho hum - too exciting to go to bed!

2036. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158785 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:27 am

Rather, the debate rests upon the Existence of Idiocy alone. Richard Dawkins by his acts and his words reveals himself to be an idiot -- "Mathis tricked me and Myers".

Heheheheh - nah, mate, it's gone waaaay beyond that! Or is reading difficult?
Anyway, what's your problem? You can't say my name? Mike - say it. Refer to me, go on, I dare you.

2037. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158781 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 3:23 am

You dummies ought to log off from the Internet and start reading books from long ago

We did, you silly old sod, that's why you're swimming against such a strong current! Your arguments are as good as pub in Saudi Arabia because we know you know we know more about God than you'll ever hope to. You know we know more about any holy book you can even quote and you know we know more holy scripture, of more faiths than you can even dream about, than you'll ever know in your life time.
Sad, eh? And we're the athiests ;-)
Damn, IDO, you've been good sport. I do hope you are Richard M. There is a part of me that really does like you. If not, if you are just a sad old bugger trying to convert us by proving there are no gods, well, I still have an affection for you. You are a bloody good laugh!
Where's Whytebread? Fly by night sort? Sad. Pissy moniker, have to say.
Late here in Aotearoa. Off to bed - BBC for 30 minutes, then off to Nod.
Ta ta, all!

2038. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158752 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 2:24 am

Odd really. One would have thought the deluded would be here to proselytise. Instead, they come with arguments to really make one turn away from their religion. Muslims don't do that...neither do hindus or Buddhists or animists.
Makes one assume the "Christians" coming here are anything but. They all, even the good David R, an evil coven, all delighting in the eventual burning in hell of us all. They shall, for their evil thoughts, burn in hell. What irony - rather delicious!
You know, DIO, whytebread et al, I am right, don't you? Deny all you will, your god will decide your fate on your actions. So far, they don;t stack up. What would Jesus say?
But, if you are now worried, don't be. Join us. There is not god, there is, indeed, no God :-) No Heaven nor Hell. We'll even give you the right books to show there is no Jesus, or if there was, Paul is who you follow anyway, so Jesus' teachings are but chaff in the wind (shit, I could tell that from reading the NT - how can you be so blind??) as far as Jesus was concerned.
If you do persist, give us something substantial, please! IDO, you are getting weaker and weaker. You are sounding more and more like a fart in the dales - we can't smell you for the wind. Whytebread - what can I say - you're just congenitally stupid. Your parents must be proud of you. What grade did you decide education was enough?

2039. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158741 by Goldy on April 11, 2008 at 2:01 am

Aye, tis true. The detective inspector uses too many Americanisms. Of course, RM might wish to confuse, but... Aaah, well, in that case, he isn't who I assumed and hence barely worth typing a reply too. And he's crap. No substance - an alcohol-free beer if you will. DI, gis something meaty.
OK, the other dude...whytebread. Oh dear, like his moniker, no substance. Try wholemeal. Please, go away and learn something. Evolution is a scientific theory, peer reviewed (you know what this means, right?) and tested. In fact, it came about by 2 people. I'm guessing you know the name of one - who's the other? Independently too. I'll give you a wee clue - there is a line name after the other (independent theorist, remember). You asked Richard for proof - where's your proof in cretinism? (no, no typo there ;-)). Ooooh, by the way, an Abrahamic religious myth doesn't count (hell, they're all a cut and paste from pagan Levantine mythology with local content thrown in). Go one - be a real mensch, give us something really concrete. Knock us for six!

2040. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158651 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:21 pm

Aye, tis true Diacanu. All in the FCOS site. Look for it - posted somewhere in these pages.
Right, I'm off to shag sheep, or whatever it is we athiest New Zealanders do...
Night all!
Night Richard - I still have an affection for you!

2041. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158649 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:19 pm

This smart move lets Richard Dawkins push himself as the Wal-Mart of Atheism, with many books and DVDs.

hmmm, I had a look around the Warehouse, but couldn't find anything. Bugger - that mean I have to go to the US?

Rather than steal the Jesus story and slug it out in a crowded marketplace as the typical Televangelist does, Dawkins chose the marketplace for atheist goods.

:-D - yeah, top marks for originality, eh? Praise indeed, Richard, praise indeed!

Edit - you know, Bonzai, he DOES sound like me when my devil bitch slut ex left me!

2042. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158648 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:16 pm

Yeah mate, howd'ya guess? Was it the gratuitously offensive anti-kiwi abuse that gave me away? ;0

:-D

2043. Hitchens vs. Hitchens

Comment #158647 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:15 pm

Wasn't there some issue with Kosovan deaths and concentration camps?

Remains to be proven, but
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/11/wserb111.xml
Not everything appears to be all black and white...

2044. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158643 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:11 pm

Well, maybe you should stick to sheep then. There'll be plenty at the orgy, I assume?

Well, now we've used AKA RM in the dhansak curry, there's plenty to go around...
You Australian?

2045. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158642 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:10 pm

Until this week very little was known about what was going on inside the compound.

Now investigators say they have evidence of emotional, physical and sexual abuse of young children.

They also say they have evidence that there is a bed inside the sacred temple where young girls were forced to have sex with older men.

The ranch and compound are owned and run by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

Just so you know what the topic at hand was...
Gotta love threads, eh? The way they move and stuff and how it's so hard to get back to the origina topic when you start getting uncomfortable...
This is from the BBC, by the way...

2046. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158640 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:07 pm

Church of Academia....Discovery Institute.
Are they by any chance related?

2047. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158638 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:05 pm

Diacanu, hang on - still waiting for him to read of his religious brethren :-)
Can't have him changing the subject so abruptly now, can we? ;-)

2048. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158634 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 9:00 pm

Ah, ah, ah - you're straying from the immediate subject, there, AKA Richard Morgan :-)
Wassup - the fundamentalist Mormon stories not nice? Hmmm, OK - let's get back to the witchcraft stories :-)
Edit - you're right, I AM a dummy! Forgot the link...http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/world/africa/15witches.html?scp=9&sq=witchcraft&st=nyt
Have a read - you'll love it! All sanctioned by your god and others!

2049. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158629 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 8:48 pm

Yep, got to love the religious...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/10/wsect110.xml

2050. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158627 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 8:45 pm