Comments by Goldy

2051. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158621 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 8:34 pm

Maybe in that case Cartomancer would be happy to make you an honorary homosexualist, so you can still be in the athiest club.

Hmmm, I did go to an all boys boarding school....but I'm about 20 years too old for Cartomancer...

What escapes these folks suffering from their deep psychosis is their nature. Only males and females exist.

Poor eunuchs :-( And Klinefelter sufferers...
What do you have against them? Bad experience with a lady boy? I'll bet you got suckered by the Crying Game too, huh?

2052. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158618 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 8:29 pm

A troll lives under a bridge never leaving.

So if you you want to delude yourself with false concepts like "community", recognize that you are the Trolls since you live your lives around the Cult of Richard on this web site.

There a difference between trolls and Trolls?

2053. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158611 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 8:23 pm

In the Church of Academia, you find the Sect of Atheism led by their Atheio-Pope Richard Dawkins. You belong to this sect.

Unless you're an entemologist...then you're in the in sect
TA DA BOOM!
Thank you folk, you've been great!

So if you you want to delude yourself with false concepts like "community", recognize that you are the Trolls since you live your lives around the Cult of Richard.

Bugger me, I am? I'm also on a three wheeler chat group and a Russian motorcycle group...what does that say about me? Anyway, which Richard? Dawkins or Morgan?
As it is, I can't be an athiest, apparently. You see, I'm fucking gorgeous, mate. Abso-fucking-lutely gorgeous :-D

Most often, these folks suffer from a defect -- a lisp, stuttering, homosexualism, being crippled, suffering from a crippling disease, having been abused by their dads, fat bodies and ugly faces, especially.

Jesus was abused by his dad, if I recall (Matthew 27:46)....was he an athiest too?

2054. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158552 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:48 pm

Hey Max, you just gonna throw that leg away? Maaan, you wasting the best part! The marrow, man, the marrow!
Geez!
;-)

2055. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158550 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Burp!
Yep, t'was a good feast!

Mind you, hard to do a one man show.

But ours was better :-D

2056. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158541 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:35 pm

BUUUUUZZZZZZ!!!!!!!
GRRUUNRNRNRNNN!!!!!!
GZZJHHZZHHZZHHTT!!!
*Spray, splatter*

...sweet Jesus, this is so horrible.
Help me...help me clean up the mess, Goldy.
Hold open the burlap sack while I toss the parts in.
No...don't cry...we'll cry when we're done killin.

OH JESUS! FUCKIN' 'ELL!! WHAT HAVE YOU DONE???

Hmmm...

Ummm, you just...like, you know, going to throw him away? Only asking because, well, got these lentils in the pot and, well, it would be a waste, don't you think...

2057. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158537 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:21 pm

Unless, of course, it's Brian on the piss again...
:-)

2058. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158532 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:11 pm

There is a link from the expelled website linked to this article. http://expelledthemovie.com/blog/

Like this entry...

Ben Stein Smart Bombs Darwinian Bunker

Hahahah! He may have got the Darwinians, but us Wallacians will destroy him! MWUAHAHAHAHAH!

2059. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158531 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:08 pm

I know what lamb is. New Zealand lamb can be found in my local grocery store.
What is dhansak?

Considering how many of the wee blighters are here, they're sodding pricey! But oh, so tasty! Mind you, guessing I should use mutton...
Dhansak is a Parsee dish, apparently. A curry made with dhal (lentils). Damn tasty! Might have got the spelling wrong.
Here, get some lamb and give it a shot
http://www.cuzza.com/recipes/dhansak/
Loads more recipes out there!

2060. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158526 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 5:00 pm

Frankus, it's a quiet day here, I've got a headache and am looking up a decent recipe for lamb dhansak. I enjoy the distraction :-)

2061. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158524 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:59 pm

See, it IS Richard Morgan! Has to be.
Anyway, why assume Dawkins is a god? Why not a prophet? Was Isaiah a god? Ezekiel? Jesus?
What?
Jesus WAS God? No shit! The Muslims told me he was just a prophet! Goddam! He was the big G too. Well, well - I can see some arguments over that! Hey, Arius, did you know about this?
;-)

2062. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158522 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:54 pm

He is a stupid, stupid ranter spewing nonsense.

I think he's RM tweaking our left testicle.
No idea what a left testicle analogue would be for the females here. Maybe someone can tell me. Or even suggest a gender neutral "left testicle" I can use....

2063. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158516 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:37 pm

The debate is not about the Existence of God.

The debate rests upon the Existence of Idiocy alone. Richard Dawkins by his acts and his words reveals himself to be an idiot -- "Mathis tricked me and Myers".

If one scrolls up, one sees

Lying for Jesus?

So, technically, the debate is about lies, specifically those emanating from people of the delusionalist religionist bent (trying to use language like yours - it sounds sooo cool ;-)).
Now, falling for a lie is sort of silly, sometimes. I gues it depends on who is lying and all. Many do it - every time you vote you fall for a lie. Reading the papers or watching the news, you are falling for spin which is lying using the truth. Religious people fall for lies all the time - religious people are living in a lie and basing their lives and actions on lies (incidently, what is your take on the witchcraft articles - seriously speaking now?).
So Richard fell for a lie - this confers idiocy on him? And by guilt of association, us?
Hmmm, where does that leave the religious and the superstitious? Explains your last lines...

Folks who defend Richard Dawkins in the face of criticism worship him as their idol, their substitute diety.

Fans of Dawkins suffer from indoctrination and conditioning. They lack an intellect to see their membership in the Cult of Dawkins.

You are so indoctrinated, you can't see outside the box - your language shows this clearly. You need a god, you can't see things without a god. Try Islamic thought.

2064. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158511 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:27 pm

Catholican Church? Who are they?
And I assume you have never fallen to any indoctrination....ever?

2065. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158502 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:13 pm

WHEN will enough finally be enough?

I guess when the meme finally does out...
Oddly, no answer from Laphroaigman, D. I. Ogenes and their ilk.

Edited to get the names right!

2066. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #158501 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 4:11 pm

America still gets 85% of its energy from fossil fuels, and 97% of its mobile energy from the scarcest fossil fuel: petroleum.

Oddly enough, the research I was participating in concerning the viability of hydrogen powered vehicles also involved petrol. Most of the manufacturers seemed to want to reform petrol to make hydrogen...
We were told once during a meeting that the next fuel of choice was diesel. Seems to be the big thing in mainland Europe....but then the prices of diesel are much less than petrol.

2067. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158496 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:59 pm

Diacanu - I know the feeling. I use beer which somehow is not the best thing. The positive feedback loop is a shit of a thing!

2068. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158494 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:56 pm

Turns out it doesn't kill you.

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=950DE6D91038F930A15752C0A9639C8B63&scp=3&sq=witchcraft&st=nyt

2069. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158493 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:53 pm

But a funny thing happened on the way to my own personal date with entropy... I discovered the power and truth of Faith.

Turns out it doesn't kill you.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/15/world/africa/15witches.html?scp=9&sq=witchcraft&st=nyt

2070. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158484 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:24 pm

Diacanu, as much as I can't vouch for your physicality, you are not short of offerings! Remember, all cats are grey in the dark (took me ages to work that out) but the voice can be heard whatever the light.
Be positive! Or I'll fly over, take 2-3 days recovering, massage swollen ankles back to shaoe and kick some positivity into you. With clogs!
;-)

2071. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158480 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:21 pm

D. I. Ogenes
Mom? Mum, surely?

2072. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158478 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:20 pm

You'd probably like this too
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/tml/index.htm

2073. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158477 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:19 pm

Epeeist - :-)
Here y'are, Laphroaig. Pour yourself a glass and sit and read a spell. Then come back...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/pre/

2074. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158474 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Thought I'd have a look-see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugenics
Strewth, who'd have thought! And we only blame Hitler...
Liked this...

Eugenics and the United States, 1890sâ€"1945
One of the earliest modern advocates of eugenics (before it was labeled as such) was Alexander Graham Bell. In 1881 Bell investigated the rate of deafness on Martha's Vineyard, Massachusetts. From this he concluded that deafness was hereditary in nature and, through noting that congenitally deaf parents were more likely to produce deaf children, tentatively suggested that couples where both were deaf should not marry, in his lecture Memoir upon the formation of a deaf variety of the human race presented to the National Academy of Sciences on 13 November 1883.[28] However, it was his hobby of livestock breeding which led to his appointment to biologist David Starr Jordan's Committee on Eugenics, under the auspices of the American Breeders Association. The committee unequivocally extended the principle to man.[29] Like many other early eugenicists, Bell proposed controlling immigration for the purpose of eugenics, and warned that boarding schools for the deaf could possibly be considered as breeding places of a deaf human race.[citation needed]

My emphasis on the livestock breeders line...

2075. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158468 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 3:07 pm

*Looks at the latest batch of sad misfits on Dr. Phil*
And such a good job we've done too.

Heheheheheheh! Mind you, have to admit that the less you have to offer, the smaller the choices you can make :-)

2076. The simple falsehood at the heart of Expelled

Comment #158461 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 2:51 pm

Didn't Sweden do this eugenics until the 70s?
Anyway, not like we don't do it now...after all, we pick (mostly) our partners, don't we?

2077. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158460 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 2:49 pm

To reiterate a bit, if you want to read Lewis, all the better to get acquainted with the Eddas first :-) Oh, yeah, and Tolkein. Both wayyyyy better than the Bible :-) Especially the Eddas.

2078. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158455 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 2:43 pm

Laphroaig? More a MacAllan man myself...but if anything can compare to gin, I'll be jiggered!

2079. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #158452 by Goldy on April 10, 2008 at 2:40 pm

I suggest a healthy meal, a nice adult beverage (perhaps a bottle of nice Bordeaux), and a good Bible study... it'll do wonders, Richard! (maybe in that order!)

Why the Bible? Why not the Rig Veda? Or the Koran? Or indeed the sayings of Buddha or Confucius? Why specifically the Bible? Heck, why not the Torah? Bible apparently comes from that. Or the Epic of Gilgamesh. Why not go back to Richard's cutural roots and read Beowulf or the stories of the Aesir?
Why the Bible? It is already sorely tested and found very wanting. I have read it - it dod nothing to me. I felt empty and frustrated after it. Indeed, Genesis had me wondering why it was so important to so many people after just the first few pages.
D. I. Ogenes - that you, Richard? Welcome back. Hope you're feeling better. If you need some time away, come to NZ.

2080. Beware the Believers

Comment #157957 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 9:35 pm

Kyrie...Kylie? Guess there's a similarity that paints a picture. This cursed medium of communication, eh?

I didn't mention scripture when I mentioned the study of wisdom. I assumed atheists had alternate sources. Are you saying there is no other literature on wisdom outside the Holy Bible?

No, you didn't, but you mentioned it a couple of lines above. Guess the word tarnished the whole comment :-)
There are, of course, many books on wisdom. I believe the Indians and Chinese have many. As do Africans and Europeans. Some even predate God, I believe :-)

2081. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157949 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 8:19 pm

OK, Bonzai, here's my letter.

Well, well, Wilders' film has a riposte. Sad really â€" he is a discredited politician who no one listens to yet someone feels that his film is good enough for a reply. Actually, given the death threats made to the website that hosted the film in the first place, what more publicity can a man expect?

As it is, Raid Al-Saeed helps people like me greatly. You see, I am an atheist. I don't believe in gods or prophets. In fact, by saying this, I'll be surprised to see my letter published and if it is, I'll be expecting the frothing responses from the more religiously minded readers.

Raid is correct, the Bible also has passages of death and destruction. Slavery in the US and Europe was condoned by Biblical verses, much as slavery is acceptable in Islam because of Koranic passages. The Saudis that flew the planes into the World Trade Centre were imbued with visions of religious afterlife (as were the London bombers and the good doctors that tried to kill innocents in Glasgow). The US is in Iraq because the god that both your religions worship told him to go there. Blair is now devoting his life to this same god and is unrepentant about his role in the Iraq debacle because his god tells him he is innocent.

So what is Schism trying to say? Does it answer anything? Does the bishop of Rochester sleep any better because a Muslim can show that the Bible is as hate filled as the Koran? I doubt it.

The way I see it, the whole thing started with people pressing strongly for their religion to be more important. Sharia is, according the Archbishop of Canterbury, inevitable in England. Why? Why come to a country and try and make it the place you left?

Fitna was a crude and irresponsible response to the murder of Theo van Gogh, to the bombings of innocents by those who seek virgins in paradise by attacking the ordinary people and not those in power, people like the ones idolised by the correspondent below, who wrote
"America and Britain were forced to rearrange their dream of bringing Middle East oil under their control because their plan was shattered by the Iraqi resistance. Those of you who write comments and articles condemning the "terrorists" in Iraq are forgetting that it was the sacrifice of those terrorists that kept other Arab lands free of stamping GI boots. Those unsung heroes, the ones who blew themselves up along with their targets, are on the right mission: To kill every invader who has come to take over lands and kill people. Every one of them should go home in body bags. That is a duty every patriotic Iraqi owes to himself.
Ahmed Saleh, Jeddah published 9 April 2008 "
Yes, those unsung heroes who decide a crowd of pilgrims makes a good target, who gun down a Christian bishop or two, who force the veil on those who never needed it before, who, if I remember right, murder falafel sellers because some prophet never had falafel, who walk into a market place and detonate their bombs, who kill ten, one hundred, one thousand Muslim Iraqis for every foreign soldier.
We know that the religious in our lands are criminals in their own way. We know that Muslims feel aggrieved (to put it very mildly) that western troops are in their country and that western sanctions and bombs killed them. They have had their time. We don't need someone making a film showing another Abrahamic religion in a bad light to stir up hornets nests â€" they stirred them up themselves.
So, what does this new film achieve? Is it a hand reaching out to bring the religious communities together? Is it something to show that Muslims are not the robotic followers of a book? No â€" just another wedge the separate the two communities.

Regarding the Boxers, don't you think sometimes, especially now with this Tibet thing and the Olympics, that the same madness is starting to surface again? Also remembering the anti-Japanese riots of recent history. Mind you, us Brits aren't pumping opium into China any more, so at least we can't be blamed again....totally... :-)
So, you're letter will be in the post tomorrow? ;-)

2082. Beware the Believers

Comment #157937 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Why are you referring to me as a "She"?

Probably the same reason I have been called "she" too. And Muslim :-)
And damn, I can't get that Kyrie eleison tune out of my head. Last sang it in 1986. Grrrr!
There are social hoops to getting a PhD? Where the hell did you study? Students here barely have time for social, never mind hoops! You shag your way to the top? Or did you merely facilitate?

2083. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157935 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 7:16 pm

Tulsa, OK and Memphis, TN? Wow - not the best examples of America!

Heheheheh - I liked them, nonethelesss :-) Some pretty good people there too, though the no selling alcohol 1000 yards around a church in Tennessee was a pisser. Never seen so many frigging churches! Oh, and Oklahoma booze strength was a joke. 3%???
NZ is nice but yes, a sod of a long way away from Europe. Takes me days to recover. But it is a place to see at least once. Come soon before it is a Chinese colony (as is the fear of the, ahem, more right wing natives...NZ has just signed a free trade agreement with China so there is a bit of fear-mongering here)

2084. Expelled Overview

Comment #157931 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Blind people are unable to perceive but still they can see the truth. Atheits are able to look at it but still they do not see the truth.

Truth being....?

2085. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157928 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 6:54 pm

Can I ask if you live in America? I ask because I'm afraid that non-Americans don't really get the whole story outside of our country. Yes, we have quite a large number of religious fanatics. I'd be willing to say that we are the one exception to the rule of a country's prosperity generally equating to a decline in religious influence. At the same time, we continue to make tremendous achievements in all fields of science and math.

I must confess that no, I live in New Zealand. And I was (still am, I guess) British. I did learn to drive big rigs in Tulsa, OK and I had a girlfriend in Memphis TN for a few years (she was doing a post doc at Memphis State).
I had a wee think while converting someone's blood into DNA and I realise that the US was not always the Utopia we Euros might have thought it to be. After all, if it was, Rosa Parks wouldn't have had to tell someone to sod off and get their own fucking seat :-)
I just worry when I see the strength of feeling about religion, especially this Christ cult, that seems to be so important. It appears to me that nothing else counts! Must just be the media exposure.
Not just you yanks (if I may use a Britishism) that like your country!
Carto - you don't only write about your sexuality - you have mentioned a crossbow too at times. but yes, sexuality, gender, colour, race, creed - these are all irrelevancies in the running of a country. I'm told of African-Americans, Irish-Americans (and they're all Irish, aren't they. Even the English derived ones...), Spanish-Americans, Chinese-Americans. Where are the just Americans in the media? Apart from the soldiers sweating in Iraq and being killed - they're just Americans. Why aren't the others?

2086. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157907 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 5:55 pm

I don't see anyone supplanting America in the field of space exploration anytime soon - so long as our education system continues to provide qualified scientists.

I'm not too worried about China making the next great space accomplishment. They're still trying to get a man on the Moon - something we accomplished decades ago.

i know, I know. The US still has pretty much all the main scientific establishments and more money is spent there in science than pretty much every other country.
But your last sentence "I'm not too worried about China making the next great space accomplishment. They're still trying to get a man on the Moon - something we accomplished decades ago." - why the complacency? When America put a man on the moon, China was in an orgy of cultural annihalation. Since then, what? American take pride in their man on the moon but that is like my pride in my athletic prowess 20 years ago. From utter devastation to a world economy (albeit a world economy by massaging figures), with men in rockets and science parks springing up everywhere.
But that's beside the point - my main beef is this religious shit - what the fuck does a person's religion or what fucking church he goes to have anythign to do with anything? How can thigs have gotten to this state of affairs? You said "so long as our education system continues to provide qualified scientists." - how many Dovers do these scientists have to battle before they cry enough? And why, with science being a premier American export to the world, do budding scientists have to jump through such idiotic hoops in the first place?

2087. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157903 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 5:47 pm

Unfortunatly it is difficult to win an election in America without appealing to religion and absolutly impossible to win if you're an atheist or an agnostic.

But it shouldn't be! You are a democracy - how good a democracy America is is neither here nor there as people still have to be elected to get into any political position.
You can vote and before you vote, you can question. Ask why the hell religion is so damn important. Ask why there is a perception that a person church attendance is more important than finding jobs and making sure those jobs don't go abroad. Dover showed IDiots are on their own and the Davis thing seems to suggest strongly to me that Christian hysteria is frowned upon. America is not only Christian, there are Jews, hindus, Muslims, pagans or European and Native American phylosophy, Jains, Buddhists, etc, etc. America is not just black or white but each and every race in between and they don't care who goes to what church but they do care about their kids' education and food on the table.
There are, I really think, enough athiests to ask serious questions about this hysteria about religion, specifically Christianity. Just athiests. I'm not counting agnostics or very loose religious people, culturally religious but don't care either way sort of people.
Don't be so defeatist - you DON'T have to be religious to be elected. There is a spearation between church and state in the US - why are people not fighting for that? Instead of sending in the gunboats to Mesapotamia, why not send those gunboats to make America what my grandparents thought it to be? Hell, even to what my parents thought it to be. How can things slide so fucking fast in just one generation?
Complain - complain loudly. Fuck the religious neighbours - they'll thank you for it. Shit, if your family disowns you, fuck 'em. They'll quickly come crying back when they can see what this poisonous delusion is doing.

2088. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157891 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 5:27 pm

Heheheheh! Well, Bonzai, I did my bit for alternative motive technology - coating palladium onto ceramic tubes and alloying it with a variety of other metals to try and purify hydrogen. Thing is, oil is still quite cheap and readily available and the alternatives suggested and being followed now seem to involve using food to move. Guess that's showing we're reaching Malthusian levels...
Of course, just as every ethnicity and population, not everyone is the same adn not everyone is completely monolithic in thought. I say write a letter - it will probably be published - and let them know what a total fucking waste of time religion is, how stupid it is to get all uptight and offended over words regarding dead people and delusions. You can write well - do it.
As it is, I vented my spleen a bit on the democratic religious shit thread. Religion is more important to American voters than, say, the economy, than even world opinion. Spleen slowly filling again, but it'll be a while before it gushes forth again...
Think I'll write to Arab News myself now. As a bonus, they don't truncate letters like the Daily Telegraph does!

2089. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157883 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 4:59 pm

Bonzai, write a letter to Arab News. letters@arabnews.com
Maybe don't mention 12th century farting too much, though ;-)

2090. Commentary: Democrats finally getting religion on religion

Comment #157882 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 4:57 pm

How, may I ask, did American politics get to the state where religion is deemed more important than anything else, where religion makes or breaks a candidate? American popularity is at an all time low in world perception, not just in the Middle East but in Europe, America's closest allies.
Chinese and Indians are covering Africa with roads, schools, factories, cars, bike, clothing (yes, I know, these are all exchanged for coal, iron, oil and they provide their own workers) and getting Africans excited while all I read is Americans telling Africans to not have so many children by....wait for it...not having sex. And who is helping them with this great message? Religious Europeans!
I am in awe - how a civilisation can drain itself away from the world stage by seeking points for an afterlife that evidence suggests isn't there. What about the here and now? Jobs? Housing, schooling, science, space? Sci Fi had white guys in space when I watched it - how wrong were they! Space will be Chinese and Indian. There won't be any Stars and Stripes on Mars, will there?
I guess the Handmaid's tale is truer than Attwood wanted it to be...

2091. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157875 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 4:46 pm

And a couple of letter in the same publication...

Wilders Film

This is regarding the report, "Wilders Film Aims to Block Dialogue: WAMY" (March 31). Please. The movie is bad. Poorly made and simply "button pushing." But, it is not blocking dialogue at all. What should the reply to this video be? Dialogue! Tell the world why the movie is wrong. This is not the same as telling the world that the movie is dangerous and forcibly stopping it from being shown anywhere. That is dialogue blocking.

Sven H., United States published 10 April 2008

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Wilders Film [2]

Although I am a Christian I truly believe that this film is very offensive and should have been banned by the Netherlands right from the start. Why in the world are they letting this third-rate and amateur filmmaker expose one of the world's greatest religions to such vulgar and offensive insults? Don't we have enough problems with religious extremists from both sides and I am forgetting neither Bush nor Osama Bin Laden? It is time to make peace and be friends in the name of our one and only true God and all his prophets (may peace be upon them). But Muslims must not get carried away by violent demonstrations and they must understand that this entire affair has been caused by a mad and irresponsible man.

Henry Rosan, United States published 10 April 2008

2092. Anti-Quran Film Fitna Pulled From Web Due to 'Threats'

Comment #157873 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 4:40 pm

In Arab News..
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=108817&d=10&m=4&y=2008&pix=kingdom.jpg&category=Kingdom

Schism â€" Saudi Blogger's Answer to Wilders Film
Ebtihal Mubarak, Arab News

A scene from the video "Schism" shows a woman activist from an extremist Christian organization preaching violence to children. (AN photo)

JEDDAH, 10 April 2008 â€" A Saudi blogger has made a six-minute video entitled "Schism" by portraying texts from Christian sources out of context, similar to the way Dutch MP Geert Wilders made his recently-released anti-Qur'an film entitled "Fitna."

In his film, Raid Al-Saeed, 33, shows verses of the Bible that call for war and illustrated them with clips of extremist Christian groups that preach violence.

"I made it in less than 24 hours. In 'Schism,' I have used the same methodology that Wilders has used and that involves taking texts out of context," he told Arab News, adding that he made the film to prove that it is incorrect to judge Islam by watching "Fitna."

This is a point that he writes at the end of his short film. "It is easy to take part of any holy book out of context and make it sound like an inhumane book. This is what Geert Wilders did to gather supporters for his hateful ideology. To create 'Schism,'" he wrote.

Al-Saeed does not believe religious books call for violence and bloodshed. He said "Fitna" is "based on hate" and that Wilders has abused the "freedom of expression that he enjoys." He added that Wilders' movie reflects "his racism and hatred."

When Al-Saeed first posted his clip on YouTube on March 1, the video was removed within 12 hours with a message from the site that the clip violated its terms.

Al-Saeed wrote back to YouTube, asking why the movie was removed while "Fitna" remained available. He uploaded the film again and added a message for the site's administrators advising them to view Wilders' film before deleting the film.

His video has been viewed over 1,800 times and has been on YouTube since March 2. It is also available for viewing on Google.

Al-Saeed insists that his aim is not to spread hate but to tell the world that you cannot judge a religion or an ideology by taking things out of context.

2093. Cult leader Pyotr Kuznetsov tries suicide after realising he was wrong about doomsday

Comment #157859 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 4:05 pm

I think the comments here are getting just a mite too personal now. Might just be me. It isn't enjoyable to read - I know it isn't meant to be. It is, in fact, rather uncomfortable and slightly unsettling. Is there a way things can be patched up? Indeed, is there a way thngs can be patched up without recourse to everyone else being the unwilling voyeurs?
As for the RM thing - I missed it. Time zones and stuff conspired against me here. Maybe my loss, maybe my gain, who knows.
This site is a wee haven for me. It fills those boring bits in between experiments and makes my day go by a bit more enjoyably. You may notice (bet no one does - I'm not that important...sniff, sniff :-( ) I don't post on weekends much, if at all, as my life seems to be booked pretty much all weekend. Fight then, not now. Please.

2094. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157762 by Goldy on April 9, 2008 at 2:03 pm

Well, I hvae to say, this was actually quite....illuminating :-)
Two men at dawn to defend the honour of a) women and b) another member of the community. Fists were held up, the rules explained and a fairly honourable fight ensued.
At the interval, discussions were conducted, evidence reviewed and a consensus reached. Bloodied noses were wiped, shirts replaced and hands shook.
If only world politics were conducted like this!

2095. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #157323 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Goldy, I think the editor was shooting for irony

In that case, I apologise and shall endeavour to unfuck all my comments :-)
Huzonfurst

What's going on, or is this place not as rational as it claims to be?

The site is rational but B. Gates has added some irrationality to the medium. Mind you, some people (me included) do sometimes tend to the irrationality too... ;-)

2096. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #157301 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 9:36 pm

Sherman: What will you do to win the votes of the Americans who are atheists?

Bush: I guess I'm pretty weak in the atheist community. Faith in God is important to me.

Sherman: Surely you recognize the equal citizenship and patriotism of Americans who are atheists?

Bush: No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.

Sherman (somewhat taken aback): Do you support as a sound constitutional principle the separation of state and church?

Bush: Yes, I support the separation of church and state. I'm just not very high on atheists.

And

Sherman: American Atheists filed the Pledge of Allegiance lawsuit yesterday. Does the Bush campaign have an official response to this filing?

Murnane: It's bullshit.

Sherman: What is bullshit?

Murnane: Everything that American Atheists does, Rob, is bullshit.

Sherman: Thank you for telling me what the official position of the Bush campaign is on this issue.

Murnane: You're welcome

And

"This is the Land of Lincoln where people believe in God," Davis said. "Get out of that seat . . . You have no right to be here! We believe in something. You believe in destroying! You believe in destroying what this state was built upon."

2097. Get out of here, atheists!

Comment #157298 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 9:28 pm

Why are Atheists so angry?!!

Mostly because we're tired of fucking religious gobshites thinking they rule the roost because they have some fucking delusions about fairies in the sky.
Any more fucking stupid questions? No? Fuck off then.
Fuckwit.

2098. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157284 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 8:37 pm

Stryer, let Richard Morgan fight RIchard Morgan's battles. PM Al if you must be belligerent.

2099. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157180 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 4:07 pm

Bonzai - good point re Chinese medicine. It is something the wife and I havae wee disagreements over :-)
Despite my protestations that religion will stunt science in the west and that the east will take over, I have read that most of the research facilities are in the west (the US, of course), that more money is spent in the US on pure science than anywhere else and that the political climate in China (not sure about India) means that science is a more technological based discipline, with emphasis on usable results.
However, I still wonder...

2100. Richard Dawkins: 'Growth in creationist beliefs a problem for schools'

Comment #157173 by Goldy on April 8, 2008 at 3:52 pm