Comments by Diacanu

Comment #134345 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Brian English-

I'm a Mike too!
:)

Comment #134240 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 12:52 pm

I'm forced to ask myself, if I truly thought that atheism was a harm to the world, how would I behave?

What level of bad behavior would I be able to justify?

Would I, say, act an ass on an atheist message board?

Would I be a slimy, quote mining, misrepresenting, manipulative, smarmy, condescending, douchebag to atheists?

Would I write a shitty little book full of the same slimy smarm as my posts?

What would I do?

Well, it occurs to me, that if I truly thought souls were at stake, I would have to try to maximize the good I thought I could do.

So, I would try save as many souls as I could.
So, I'd have to go for the sure thing, and try to save as many christian souls as I could, because banging my head against the wall with atheists could end up being a dangerous waste of my time.

Now, IF I thought atheism was harmful, and IF I had persuaded myself it was okay to be an asshole for Jesus, I suppose to protect fellow christians from atheism, I guess I'd try to scare them away from it by trying to make atheism look as bad as I could.

But see, that's where being an asshole would have to be the vital ingredient.

Cuz see, I don't think I could exploit people that way.
To use people I thought were going to Hell as tools like that.
To interact with them like they were people, while simultaneously knowing they were going to fall into the pit of fire.
That would really get to me.
My conscience would be all sorts of fucked up.
I'd have trouble looking in the mirror each morning.

I suppose, to disconnect myself from my conscience, I'd have to dehumanize those people.
I'd have to see them like monsters in a video game.

And I suppose the way I'd have to do that, is swallow the whole Stalin hook good and deep.

Yeah, I guess I'd have less trouble being a slimy quote mining asshole to people if I mentally projected little Stalins and Satans onto them.

And hey, it's for Jesus!

And it's to save blue haired old ladies and sick little girls!

Who couldn't get behind that!?

Why, it's as pure as Superman!

Clean as a fucking whistle!

...EXCEPT...

To swallow all of that, I'd have to have the solipsism to assume I was the big important sheep herder of the flock who was called to do all this.

AND...

To swallow THAT, I'd've had to have swallowed hook line and sinker, the bronze age fairy tales my parents foisted onto me, and THEN gone on to waste my life on a career based around them.

..yeah, way too many hurdles to jump over.

I always asked too many questions to not see them coming up the road.

I just can't get inside David's head, and see it his way.
It's like a whole other planet, one with sulfuric acid for air.
I can't even go their with a spacesuit.

2353. Fleabytes

Comment #133956 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 4:08 am

Tyler Durden-

...the old testament?? The OLD testament??

The raping of the motherfucking Midianites old testament??
The Abraham almost fucking kills Isaac old testament?
The Job old testament??

You gotta be fucking shitting me, he said that??

Wow, David, I'm trying, and trying, and not finding anything at all to like about you...

2354. Fleabytes

Comment #133953 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 3:59 am

Clearthinker-

"in a universe of blind physical forces and genetic replication, some people are going to get hurt, other people are going to get lucky, and you won't find any rhyme or reason to it, nor any justice. The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind pitiless indifference' Richard Dawkins The Blind Watchmaker.

You cited that quote in your bonehead video, and your deliberate and almost salivating misunderstanding of it grated at me then too.

He means the UNIVERSE doesn't care.
WE do.

Good and evil come from us.

Does a tsunami give a fuck about the people it kills?
Nope.
And it wasn't sent because of homosexuals, or girls taking their tops off at Marti Gras.

I find theories like that far more petty and offensive then that sometimes storms just happen.

But, maybe you find that sort of thing heartwarming, and transcendent, I dunno.

2355. Fleabytes

Comment #133878 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 2:00 am

Oh, and David, to restate a point someone else here made, if YOU can't manage to find meaning or purpose in a godless universe, that's YOUR personal fucking malfunction.

The rest of us get on fine.

2356. Fleabytes

Comment #133866 by Diacanu on February 27, 2008 at 1:51 am

Clearthinker-

It revolves around Jesus Christ.

Evidence, please.

I live in the real world where these things matter to real people.

By "these things", I assume you mean the false solace I spoke of.

I'm sure The Elysian Fields and Vallhalla consoled people, but it didn't make them real.

2357. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133848 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:44 pm

Fuck, sorry.

What was I fucking thinking?

Fucketty-fucketty-foo!

2358. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133847 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:44 pm

Hey, everyone, let's have a little informal vote here, if an aspiring Stalin came along, would you follow or oppose him?

Count me down for oppose.

2359. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133841 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:25 pm

Steve-

Sorry, it's just the level of loony shit you have to believe to buy into the whole "scientists are twisting the evidence, and evolution is a worldview", theory is such...agh!!

Hey, Shmeezer, did we go to the moon?

How about Kennedy?
Still alive on an island with Elvis?

2360. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133837 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:18 pm

Myah!! Myah!! Nice hat, see!! Myah!!

2361. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133833 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:13 pm

Myah!!

EDIT-
*Snicker* I'm not being too helpful, am I?
Sorry.

2362. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133826 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:02 pm

Shmeezers-

..based on a worldview.

Yeah, you got us.

We want to destroy "traditional values", and tear apart conventional families, and have children not raised, but put in barrels, and fed with a hose up their asshole until they're 8, which is when we think people become human, then, at 18, you'll be forced to marry a man.

You'll go to the atheist church, and pray to a big test tube full of bubbling green shit, and then perform S&M sodomy with your dudewife.

But just former christians will have to do this.
Especially the extra homophobic ones.

But now you've foiled our evil scheme.

You and your pesky talking dog!

And we woulda got away with it too!!

Myah! Myah, see!!

2363. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133820 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 10:21 pm

Shmeezer-

Oh, fuck convincing you anymore, I have to hear more about this evil conspiracy all the scientists of the world are in on.

So, what's the endgame, are materialists merely deluded, or is there a secret cabal that know there's a God, and want to win souls for Satan?

Are the Jews part of it?

Can't have a good conspiracy without some Jews.

*Pulls out bucket of popcorn*

2364. Fleabytes

Comment #133769 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 6:09 pm

Oh man, I watched the other David Robertson video.

What a slug.

"It's not that I think all atheists are capable of becoming Stalin, it's that those sorts of people embraced that worldview, and THAT'S why it needs to be fought".

Okay, so, because there's some theoretical imaginary Stalin 2.0 out there, all atheism everywhere has to be opposed.

Wow, fuckin' paranoid much?

And again, there's that hatred of humanity.

You ALL have to live in repression and ignorance, because I'm scared of what YOU'D do with more freedom.

Yep, keep everyone superstitious and retarded, that'll make the world all snuggly and safe.

Typical argument of the oppressor.
There was the same shit from the royalist side during the American revolution.

"Oh, we love you, we're just looking out for you, blah, blah, blah..".

Humans can look out for each other just fine without some condescending self-appointed daddy figure, and his disgusting toadies supervising.

...*sigh* okay, Styrer, I'm done.

2365. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #133733 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 4:04 pm

Igor-

I bet any two religious people who claim to "know" that god exists would have very different pictures of what they actually mean by "god" if you really ask them in detail

Which is why RD made it clear in TGD which God he was speaking of, because he admits that if someone says "God is energy", or "God is love", then he can't touch them.

2366. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133727 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Styrer-

Drug doping is different - the 'best' only available to those with money on the hip.

If you want the purity of the game, go to local games.

Big league sports are all about the green.

2367. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133723 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 3:45 pm

ThoughtsOnCommonToad-

Can anyone give a coherent reason why drug doping is against the rules?

Hmm...none I can think of.

An athlete sees his body as a tool, and doping is giving you a better tool.

Who else in any profession wouldn't want the best tools?

Sure, there's the "using steroids is like being normal in the special olympics", argument, but that's only if you see athleticism as some fort of sacred field of honor, or some crap.

I don't.

I say once Budweiser starts smearing its corporate feces on whatever your endeavor is, and people start gambling on it, the jig is pretty much up for the whole honor and morality tapdance.

2368. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133685 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Steve-
Sorry for mumbling over you...*forehead smack*

That's awsome! *thumbs up*
Post pics when he gets back!

2369. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133684 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 2:17 pm

Myself-

Give me the option to put plugs into my head, and just be a mind, I'd take it.

No, scratch that, I'd miss food and masturbation.

Geez, that's pretty much all that ties me to this plane.
How messed up is that?

2370. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133682 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 2:10 pm

As for all this athletic bragging, well, nothing to add here, I'm a sedentary bookwormy nerd, and I like being a sedentary bookwormy nerd.

Give me the option to put plugs into my head, and just be a mind, I'd take it.

2371. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133678 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 2:05 pm

annabanana-

Lol, no prob, I knew what you meant.

2372. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133677 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 2:04 pm

Bonzai-

His head was cold?

2373. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133669 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 1:45 pm

Goldy-

- more a father.

Gods, dicators, business assholes and their toadies, fatasses and their sports heroes, it's all part of this whole weird cult of daddy.

And part of it I've noticed, is the guy who got beaten the hardest by his old man cries the hardest at the old fucks funeral.

It's some kind of Stockolm Syndrome or something.

2374. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133658 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 1:21 pm

Steve Zara-

...hugely simplistic.

From the people who think the 10 commandments are a brilliant legal document, and who console dying old grannies with promises of Heaven, and who jack it to the thought of their neighbors writhing in Hell for not returning their hedge trimmers?

NO!!
Not them.

They're sophisticated!

It's us hethens who are primitive!
We think we're monkeys!

2375. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133569 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:27 am

Steve Zara-

I think that would be too "dry" for most theists.

Yeah, too much communing with and appreciating nature, and not enough stupid costumes and stifling rituals....

2376. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133561 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:19 am

Bah, not Buhdism, that just gets you into more spiritual hoo-hah.
Not dogmatic spiritual hoo-hah, but Hollywood-hippie-liberal-crystal spirituality is just as bad from another direction.

Deism is the way to go, especially the way Tom Paine sells it.

2377. Fleabytes

Comment #133551 by Diacanu on February 26, 2008 at 11:06 am

No more from Clearthinker?

I was sure we'd get more martyr-riffic crocodile tears this morning.
Y'know the routine "all you atheists are Stalinists, and Satanists, but somehow I get to play the hurt feelings card".

I was all set to tear into the little Chaucerian jive-meister.
Had my scalpels sharpened for it.

2378. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133205 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 8:30 pm

Shmeezer-

Enough with the links.

Too lazy to read?

If you can struggle through the thick beefy tome of immoral violence, rape, mind-melting obscurantism, howling absurdity, and flat out obvious contradictions and bad logic that is the Bible, it shouldn't trouble you to click open a couple little websites.

2379. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133203 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 8:24 pm

Shmeezer-

- especially Goldy and our good Reverend -

WTF am I, chopped liver?!?!

2380. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133183 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 7:01 pm

Shmeezer-

Another leap of faith: God does not exist.

No faith needed at all.

I'll believe if evidence presents itself.
None has.

And extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

God is an extraordinary claim.

Warm and fuzzy feelings when you see a shaft of sunlight piercing a big pretty cloud is not extraordinary evidence.

And theological logic pretzling isn't extraordinary evidence either.

Not only isn't their evidence for any sort of God, but biology, geology, archeology, history, and just plain logic annihilate the Gods of every revealed doctrinal book-based religion right out of the gate.

The best you could argue for is a non-interventionist Deist God.

And there's no evidence for him either.

The only evidence there ever was for the Deist God was the argument from design.

And Darwin destroyed that argument.

2381. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133178 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:50 pm

Shmeezer-

Simply to say that creationism is not science is not saying much at all. Why isn't it science?

Because science posits a theory, tests it, and if the data doesn't support it, it either refines the theory and tests again, or abandons the theory, and comes up with another.

Creationism has a theory, one it'll never let go of even in the face of evidence, that of its mythology based creator god, and arranges and distorts the evidence to support it.

2382. Feb 12th: Happy Darwin Day!

Comment #133170 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:41 pm

Shmeezers-

Ugh, there's no such thing as a divide between micro/macro evolution.

It's just pseudo-science babble made up as a debate wedge by the creationism side.

Micro-evolution is evolution.
Once you concede micro-evolution, you've taken on the whole thing.

When you get a shitload of microevolutions, you end up with macroevolution.

It's all evolution. There is no divide.
You've been flat out lied to.

And it is no "leap", any more than Newtonian laws of motion and gravity describing both falling apples, and the orbit of the moon.

2383. Church is paying a high price for its celibacy rule

Comment #133165 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 6:33 pm

I thought Augustine introduced all the arguments for pussy being evil, therefore, celibacy.

2384. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133078 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 3:15 pm

Brian English-

If god wishes us to rape children, then that is right.

.

Plenty of that in the old testament.

I seriously doubt that all of the Midianite girls that were taken as sexual plunder were what we'd consider of age.

2385. The Pagan Christ

Comment #133070 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 3:07 pm

albondigas-

Please, show me where Jesus calls on his followers to perpetrate evil.

Matthew 5:17.

2386. The Pagan Christ

Comment #133055 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:49 pm

albondigas-

Or that there exists a spiritual realm and reality that is not governed by the laws of nature.

Um sorry, no.

If a supernatural force acted apon a corpse to revive it, then that force would also be subject to scientific inquiry, and would be classified as part of nature.

You can't have nature, and not-nature.

2387. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133026 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:26 pm

wyattroberts-

Bible obscurantism and theologians is a non sequitur....

Um, I'm afraid not, and your evolution analogy doesn't track.

Evolution isn't an alternative God.
It's an explanation of natural processes.

The Bible is allegedly the word of an infallible God.

If the bible is an obscurantist mess, then either God is fallible, and therefore not God, or humans seriously fucked the Bible up, which is as bad as having no word of God at all.
And then God never saw fit to correct the problem, which would also make him fallible.

2388. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133014 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:11 pm

wyattroberts-

"Look, I read the Bible. It says what it says, and it's up to you to defend it."

Well, that implies the Bible DOESN'T say what it says.

and if it's so obscurantist that armies of theologians need to decipher the tangled mess, then it's not the infallible word of God.

The blue haired old ladies in the pews every sunday aren't sophisticated theologians.
They take this shit at face value.
They're MEANT to.

2389. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #133010 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 2:06 pm

wyattroberts-

I think Professor Dawkins is vulnerable in some of the arguments he makes.

And yet you haven't even read The God Delusion.

Where did you hear any of his arguments then?

Did a minister or someone quote mine a paragraph here and there, and then kick down a straw man version of the argument?

2390. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132991 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 1:52 pm

Paula Kirby-

I think atheists should read at least one or two of the flea books,

I read "The Force Of Star Wars", which was a christian apologetic response to the mytholgy in Star Wars that came out at the same time as SW.

I guess they were scared some kids might embrace Jedi-ism or something.

Anyhoo, that book had all the apolgetics crap I ever wanted to hear.

Can I count that SW flea as course credit?

2391. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132987 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Steve Zara-

This is the best the various religious estabilishments and passionate believers can do?

Not only that, but their need to churn out the same drivel again, and again, and again kind of indicates a shaking of the faith in itself.

What, their God can't protect them from the nasty little atheists?

Hell, we're not gonna hurt 'em, it's just IDEAS they're scared of!!

It's that kind of sad that comes back around the dial to funny.

2392. Add another flea to the list...

Comment #132926 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 12:10 pm

here's another one, Josh.

http://www.amazon.com/Chance-Purpose-Creation-Evolution-Rational/dp/1586172123

It doesn't have a flea title, but the author was prattling about it last night on C-Span, and it was very clear its sole reason for existing was because of the "new atheism".

Standard arguments.

Argument from transcendent beauty, trying to shoehorn in vitalism with no logic but warm and tingly feelings, making the leap from deism to dogma with no connecting dots.

Oh, but this one was new, they made the argument for "non-inteventionist divine action".

Wow!

The bullshit is right up front in the phrase!

Godly actions that aren't intervention!

Actions that aren't actions at all!

A God that does nothing!

God is so great, he doesn't even have to exist!

Neat trick there, David Blain can't do that shit!

2393. Fleabytes

Comment #132913 by Diacanu on February 25, 2008 at 11:54 am

Clearthinker-

I do. And so do you, or you would not be so emotive about it.

That's the best you've got?

No logical argument for why YOU need the universe to revolve around you for life to matter?

You've really never had to defend your BS against someone with an actual mind, have you?

If I am so irrelevant why bother responding?

I'm Simon Cowell telling you you can't sing.

I don't want to hear your caterwauling anymore, and I don't want some other poor unfortunate auditioner to have to hear it either.

You can't sing.
Quit.
Get a real job.
While you still have some years left to make your life actually mean something.

Oh, and fuck you for throwing the manipulative "I was giving false solace to yet another dying guy", ploy.
Guilt trips are for catholics.
You won't find any here.

2394. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132445 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:53 pm

Badger3k-

Ah, another bullshitter for Jesus.

Jeez, it's like these hacks spew out of an assembly line.

And it's all the same bullshit.

(Gym teacher from Simpsons)
Bombardment!! Bombardment!! Bombardment!!

2395. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132433 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:38 pm

Cartomancer-

I don't indulge the "saint", thing, actually.

When you look at the requirement for sainthood, it's pretty much being a fanatical wackaloon.

So, for regular religious nut, I use "fanatic", and for sainted fanatic, I use "extra-crispy fanatic".

Or "buffalo spice fanatic", whatever suits my mood at the moment.

2396. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132429 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:35 pm

If an angel appeared to me, I'd try to capture him.

If I could, then he's a shoddy fucking angel.

2397. Fleabytes

Comment #132425 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:28 pm

Thanks fellas.
:)

Wonder if any of it'll soak into David's head, or if he'll just throw up an ink cloud of BS and make a hasty retreat.

2398. Evidence can't shake your faith if your faith excludes it as evidence

Comment #132423 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:24 pm

Cartomancer-

I smell the cloacal whiff of postmodernist claptrap here...

D'oh! Totally stole that right out of my head!!

2399. Fleabytes

Comment #132410 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 6:05 pm

...sorry, woke up this morning with that rant fully formed in my head, then had to go to a birthday party, eat supper, poop, etc, and thus I've been nursing it for awhile.

...what, that only happens to me?

2400. Fleabytes

Comment #132404 by Diacanu on February 24, 2008 at 5:58 pm

I watched that pathetic Youtube video of David Robertson talking about The God Delusion, and The Dawkins Letters again, and I chuckled at the part where he says it "scared him".

Of course, he goes on to ramble that "calling religion a virus", could lead to Stalinist/Nazi purges, and blah, blah, eyeroll, yawn...

I'll tell you what you're really afraid of, David.

A world where no one validates your bullshit anymore.

A world where you're all alone in the night, having tea parties with your imaginary friend all by yourself.

A world where you can't shore up your pathetic self esteem by salving people's emotional wounds with the ointment of false promises.

A world where the jig is up for your racket, and you have to get a real job in the service industry somewhere.

A world where no one considers you special.

A world where to be special, you have to rely on real talent, and intellect, and imagination, and personality, and not that you found a sweet load of suckers to shovel superstition to.

That's what scares you.

Well, I'm not here to be a nice guy, and cushion and alleviate that fear.
Sup on that fear, buddy.
Drink it down your little gullet.
Cold on ice.

Because, the reason these atheist books are selling so well, why so much anti-religion sentiment is buzzing about in the zeitgeist, is the same reason why the two party system is in shambles.

These social institutions you cling to?

THEY'RE NO LONGER RELEVANT!!!!!!!!

They're not.
Sorry.

People are fed up.
It's time for a new philosophy.
It's time to hit the reset button.

And it's our fucking right to hit the reset button, because we're the children of starstuff, and quite possibly the highest order of intelligence in the universe.
We are the universe examining itself.
We can shift gears any time we want.

And hopefully we are.
Hopefully, we've evolved as a society where we can abandon childhood superstition, and go to the next step.

And don't worry, there will be no purges, no concentration camps, no cafe bombings.

It'll just be you, shivering under your bed, afraid that's what's going to happen, and wanting people to join you under there, waiting for Jesus to smote vengeance.

And while you quake in your hidey hole, we'll just be leaving you behind.

Alone.
With your obsolete beliefs.
Behind the evolution bell curve.

Not exterminated, not segregated, just irrelevant.

Where you deserved to be in the first place.
Not because of any nazi shit about your genes, but because of choices you deliberately made as a grown man to exploit the ignorant and afraid.
Yes, you should be afraid of that.
Suck that fear down.
It's yours.
You earned it.
Own it.
Bye.