201. Expelled Overview

Comment #158675 by clearmind on April 10, 2008 at 11:29 pm

Being created.
Being logical
Being reasonable
Being scientific
Being accepting
and Being a normal guy with a common sense

202. Expelled Overview

Comment #157926 by clearmind on April 9, 2008 at 6:51 pm

(Time of death: 16:40 UTC, reason "I am busy" )

Hmm let's see what it is indeed.

Time of death for Evolution: When No intelligence allowed entered the picture as a last strike. Now mourners are at the stage.

Blind people are unable to perceive but still they can see the truth. Atheits are able to look at it but still they do not see the truth.

203. The books that inspire me

Comment #157532 by clearmind on April 9, 2008 at 8:33 am

No need to struggle more.

Evolution is buried alive by Intelligence and graveyard has got the reading:

Sometimes people see what they need to see.
Sometimes people are unable to see and sometimes they DO NOT SEE.

204. Expelled Overview

Comment #157529 by clearmind on April 9, 2008 at 8:31 am

To reverend
No threat from Expelled there.

I am busy so sometimes I just take a look at the web page but same old stuff. dawkins pops up something and rest of the guys pops back exchanging trust and security. But something changed after ben Steins movie. Silence, contemplating, digesting and there you go giving up deep inside.

My job is done, pal. Again, I have trust in you that someday you will undertsand and able to see what the plain truth is.

take care

Evolution is buried alive by Intelligence and graveyard has got the reading:

Sometimes people see what they need to see.
Sometimes people are unable to see and sometimes they DO NOT SEE.

take

205. Expelled Overview

Comment #156298 by clearmind on April 7, 2008 at 9:20 am

("5. What would you like to say to Darwin?")

"A.[Ben Stein]'You are a wealthy man, you married a wealthy woman, why don't you just live quietly out in the countryside and not torture us with your half-baked suppositions, which have caused so much misery?'"

Can I add up something? Darwin, you created a lot of problems. because of your ideas, a lot of people are discredited by intelligence, first scientifically, later logically and now in humour.

I have had it. I tell you, that is the end.
Seriously, what is the use of this web page now? Everything is over. Finito. Why is this struggle for jon? Ben Stein movie ended the era, ear of delusion and Dawkins's books' temporary influence on a few are gone with intelligence. Jon i know you are the last man standing on but it is really no use, maybe you don't notice that, but it is over.

(I want to vomit.)
If you tell us how your stomach works - acid amount, the layer that covers ionside the stomach wall, which protects stomach but digests the beef we eat, and then you can vomit some intelligence while explaing it us.

After Ben stein's movie, even no insulting will work out. An idea that has been already smashed by intelligence seems very funny while trying to discredit its rival opinion which discredited it already.

(They hope to open Expelled in 1000 theatres on April 18 and make $2 million over the weekend, huh? Do the math, people. I don't think they're going to achieve their goal - which means, get ready for more boo-hooing! *ugh*)

This is the worst case of state of mind; denial, pretending, self- deceieving, and imaging that expelled movie will not be successfull while all over the world, the trailers of the movie hit the records in viewing.

Please, it is really not working to struggle more. It is not indeed. IT IS OVER.

Evolution ended in misery and disappointment. You can feel that.

206. Two More Fleas

Comment #152424 by clearmind on March 31, 2008 at 2:16 am

to Richard Morgan

Attempts to wipe out the influence of Expellded all ovet the world will not go beyond being expelled from logic land. The movie Expelled cannot be expelled from minds of people since it defends the creation which is based on logic. Welcome the humor in expelled since no intelligence is allowed in evolution. Self entertaining is another way to deceive yourself.

207. Expelled Overview

Comment #151667 by clearmind on March 29, 2008 at 7:00 am

Bad words and actions BELONG TO THE MOUTH IT POPS UP.

Zara take it easy and you watch the interview with Stein. I think l served my aim since expelled movie is out. Logic has done what it was supposed to do.

208. Expelled Overview

Comment #151392 by clearmind on March 28, 2008 at 3:49 pm

Hmm, Irate, you know two blind people story. One blind guy is doing something and he thinks the other blind one is doing the same thing. (even I am nlot blind because I can SEE.)Bad words and actions BELONG TO THE MOUTH IT POPS UP. You don't have to tell us what you are doing in your private life. Too shameful.

You are already in big trouble with Expelled movie, and now you are adding up and making it faster to close down the evolution theory.

209. Expelled Overview

Comment #151049 by clearmind on March 28, 2008 at 4:39 am

Jon, you are losing it. Take it easy and check your answers again?

(Josh didn't advocate censoring the movie, he advised us not to spend money on it.)

(Because going to see it in theatres will fund a creationist propaganda machine.)

(Yet again you are a lying sack of shit)

(You are blatantly and intentionally misquoting me, but then lying and deception are really all you have left as we Atheists have torn your crappy analogies about paintings and 747s to bits.)

(Actually this highlights your lack of common sense, and poor grasp of logic. Saying "god did it" explains nothing.)

(Oh I see, you think that Josh is going to send the Atheist Gestapo to break the kneecaps of anyone who goes to the movie, do you?)


Jon, you are so tense. Don't you see that it is over. I really appreciate in my heart for your answers, but no USE. There is no logic in evolution and neither in your answers.
Atheist Gestapo is not needed to be sent. JOSH IS REALLY GOOD AT BANNING IF HE DID. I WAS BANNED FROM THIS WEB PAGE TWO TIMES ALREADY. So don't you think that atheists are not tolerant with the opposite ideas and opponents.

Now the same idea is put forward: don't go to see that movie. This is not western philosophy that is based on freedom. What are we afraid of? Some atheist will see it and convert to believe? Is that your concern?

210. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #151046 by clearmind on March 28, 2008 at 4:31 am

Evolution is IN big trouble BECAUSE OF EXPELLED MOVIE?

THAT IS NOT GOOD.

(The claim that god deals with the why and science deals with the how is just one more rationalization that there is actually a purpose to have both science and god beliefs in one's life. I do not see how that is a supportable conclusion.}

Science is the explanation of God's creation, a label for EACH art as well as showing how amazing creation is. It is like you enter a palace and the information about palace is written in a book like a guidebook; what the palace has, where and directions that explain how you will go find the places you would like to. But that book is not a creator neither is SCIENCE.

211. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #150978 by clearmind on March 27, 2008 at 9:48 pm

Evolution is big trouble because of expelled, humor, and LOGIC. And even it made Mr Dawkins chipped in. there you go:

Now anybody that mentions 4th or 5th dimension is wooter.

Anybody that mentions that monkeys cannot be our great grandfather because of their bad hair-do he can be wooter.

I just wonder whether you are suspicious that that expelled movie came out because of logic i put forward on this web page, that will be really funny. But may be it is true. But let me make you feel relaxed, it would not be.

Don't be surprised that if more and more people will join in this web page claiming that evolution is not based on logic and will express similar ideas, because theists are much more populated than atheists. And don't be that suspiciuos. It will not do any good to your health.

Now I realize that expelled movie rocked theevolution theory from the bottom that you are trying to stand on by trading comforting or manipulating messages which makes it worse. The last man standing, jon, will give up soon as well when he sees that his fruitless attempts to answers do not go beyond "i wrote, i won, i knocked him out' deludional self-comforting, while evolution has been knocked out already by logic and its knocking out is now known by entire world.

Reverend, did you watch documantary about beavers to see why God created beavers. I have got good feelings about you that some day you will see the truth.

212. Two More Fleas

Comment #150440 by clearmind on March 26, 2008 at 11:19 pm

Sorry reverend, I am a kind of late for answering. I just stopped laughing about expelled movie. Are really happy days are over for evolution?

How evolution taught beavers to build up dam? Your answer does not constitute any logic? Reverend if you can, just watch any beaver documentary objectively. It is really amazing. You will see yourself.


To: diacanu
Just watch the expelled movie. You can relax.


Jon

(he can't explain how god could make noses)
Do I have to? I already smell thousand kinds of smell and if evolution cannot explain it how, then do I have to explain? God's creation is self-explaining and self-proving since it is based on science and logic.

(I'll keep knocking you out.)
If you assume that way and it will make you feel better, it is okay to me, but again it does not help evolution in anyway. You cannot win a battle against logic.


If Animated DNA program needs a program to show how DNA is designed, then, in real life situation, DNAs need to be designed. What part of this is really confusing you? It is very simple logic. Don't play the words to be evasive.

So how did evolution design bees to protect the balance on the earth by teaching them a sophisticated job, making honey? This is the lesson that is supposed to be learned.


(You're an idiot. I ask you where I said that planets created organic chemicals and you point to a post where I said that stars did it.)

(Stars 'create' helium by fusing two hydrogen atoms together. You think this is some great propaganda victory for you? )

Jon, now you are saying that again;
Stars cannot create chemicals but they can create helium and planets can create organic chemicals but they cannot create helium.

This is obviously insult to science and logic. Creation is the word that evolins never used because creation points out creator. You better stick with Luck and chances or you watch expelled to relax.


To alan
Millions of intelligent theists, and this includes some scientists, fully accept the many facts that have been discovered by science concerning biological evolution, geology, cosmology, and physics. Yet these very same people retain a strong belief in God.

All believers believe that God created the entire universe. "Millions" is quite exaggeration of what you try to cover. As In expelled movie, Newton, Einstein and other are all believers that there is a creator. Exaggeration does not help either to make et a fact.



560. Comment #149455 by ThoughtsonCommonToad on March 25, 2008 at 4:08 pm
(The mistakes with your grammar, they are too perfect to not be deliberate. Surely a parody? Are you clearmind?)

No I am intelligence. Are you clear?

213. Expelled Overview

Comment #150432 by clearmind on March 26, 2008 at 10:35 pm

(Expelled is said to be opening in 1,000 theaters nationwide on April 18th. Please don't give them any of your money to see it. If it tanks in the theaters, and you have the stomach for such garbage, I'm sure you'll be able to see it soon by other means that don't involve supporting Creationists.)

Freedom of speech. Freedom of making films? Why bother telling us not see the movie.
a- The fear that the movie wipes out all little influence of MR dawkins' books
b- Evolution is knocked out forever
c- Something personal.

If the movie is bad, let the people see it and they can judge. I never stop people reading Mr Dawkins' books. They read, see and judge.



Philosopher Michael Ruse mentions the theory that organic life piggybacked on crystalline structures (Richard writes more about this in his review). Stein takes the opportunity to ridicule the idea:
"Crystals!? On the backs of CRYSTALS!?" The film cuts to B&W video of creepy fortunetellers hunching over crystal balls. Stein's only desire is to oversimplify the theory and make fun of it.

Like jon says:
I said Planets CREATED CHEMICALS, NOT THE STARS.
So stars cannot create but the planets can CREATE(!). THE MAGIC WORD IS CREATION. HE IS THE FIRST ONE I GUESS USING CREATION FOR EVOLUTION.

Chance
(There is a short cartoon comparing the origin of life to a row of slot machines, claiming that the origin of life would have been like hitting the jackpot on 200 separate machines, all in a row. Someone says "How are you doing over there Richard?" of course meaning Richard Dawkins. They cut to a cartoon version of Richard kicking a slot machine and cursing at it.)

Imagine that in a room we have got a lot balls with different colours and shapes and with a short pin stuck to their left side and they are all required to be formed in a certain sequence sticking to their left sides only by CHANCES AND COLLISION. Any enough figures in math to beat this odd? THIS IS WHERE NO INTELLINGENCE ALLOWED.

http://biology.clc.uc.edu/courses/bio104/protein.htm

(Of course, god-did-it is not science, but I don't think this matters to the film's target audience. Expelled is simply a rallying call to religious Americans. It will probably be shown in church basements.)

In a commonsense approach, logic says it is much more logical to say God did it than evolution made it.

Prejudgments or good wishes are not needed for this movie that it will be shown only in America and basements. I heard that this movie will be shown all over the world. No need to panic or pushing people not to see it. Truth has got a habit to reveal some day and that day has come.


(Please, don't pay to go see it.)
Again pushing people? It is not good. We do not live in 1984 of George Orwell, right?



(Ben realizes that he has been "Expelled," and that educators and scientists are being ridiculed, denied tenure and even fired â€" for the "crime" of merely believing that there might be evidence of "design" in nature, and that perhaps life is not just the result of accidental, random chance.
To which Ben Says: "Enough!" And then gets busy. NOBODY messes with Ben.)

Final comment about movie:

No intelligence allowed so humour went in. Nobody messes with Logic.

214. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #149658 by clearmind on March 26, 2008 at 4:21 am

lie:a falsehood uttered or acted for the purpose of deception; an intentional violation of truth; an untruth spoken with the intention to deceive. the proper notion of a lie is an endeavoring to deceive another by signifying that to him as true, which we ourselves think not to be so.

Consequences of LIE
Discovery of a lie tends to discredit other statements by the same speaker and can lead to social or legal sanctions against the speaker, such as ostracizing or conviction for perjury. Another consequence of a discovered lie is that it undermines trust which is a binding agent of human relations. One trusts that another is truthful. When a lie is discovered then the state of mind and behavior of the lie teller is no longer predictable. Trust then decreases and is perhaps even completely withdrawn.


Boeing 747 is a very simple analogy. Indeed what E.T. says (ET is the abbreviation of Evolution theory) From that junkyard, according to E.T we have microwave, washing machine, computer (Our body is a good example), shaver, television, typewriter (DNA codes, but somebody who should know all heritance information of 400 thousand kinds of animals should hit the keys), batteries, mobile phones, … and on an on THROUGH CHANCES AND LUCK. That does not make sense to any branches of science and to Reason. My REASON' SIEVE is getting in the way. ET cannot get through my reason's sieve.

WHO NEEDS LYING?
Biology refutes ET
Physics refutes ET
Thermodynamics refutes ET
Timing refutes ET
Astronomy refutes ET
Chemistry refutes ET
And logic refutes ET
So how are you gonna fill in these gaps?

By books out in the market. God decision, Blind blindwatcmaker, Climbing down improbability, etc. Sometimes big lies turn into small books with big titles that can hop just like a small flea around little little pond (primordial soup)


Prof. Dawkins: All I've said is that I don't think there is any intelligence or any creativity or any purposiveness.

What is the purpose of the earth's revolving around the sun and itself?
What's the purpose of oxygen, carbon dioxide, trees, sunlight,
What is the purpose of chickens, sheep, cows, bees,?
What is the purpose of atoms circling in their orbits? (the same way as the planets in our solar system)
What is the purpose of white blood cells and red blood cells?
What is the purpose of your brain?
What is the purpose of your mind?
What is the purpose of your feelings like crying, happiness, sad?
What is the purpose of our five senses? Hearing, seeing, tasting etc?

What is the purpose of MIND:

a) To think logically
Creation is like an elephant that cannot fit in a can -like of evolution while big area of logic is ready for creation to be fit.

b) to lie to cover
Fabricated skulls?
Fake fossils?


Let me finish my comment with the same analogy
Once upon a time there was a liar. He always lied but his sole friend was always around him to cover up his liars. Again Liar Liar started lying; He said 'this morning there were eggs falling down from sky. His cover-up friend just supported him. It was the eagles that got the eggs from the farm and they dropped down the eggs. Another day LIAR LIAR was again at it. He said 'this morning, I heard the sounds from sky. I guess there were sheep in the sky. Cover up guy just corrected again, "It was the eagle that took the sheep away from the farm. Another day, it was his habit and he continued, "today I hunted down a bird with my arrow and when I went to take my bird, amazingly, I saw that the bird cooked already, roasted perfectly along with green salad and drink on the table waiting for me. The cover up guy could not take it anymore and said, "Oh man, I covered you up all the time but this time you lied in such a way that neither me nor my logic can cover you up? You have gone too far. You are having fun and enjoying yourself only. Your liars cannot be covered up anymore.

This is what evolution is indeed. The more books and articles to be written to cover up, the more people believe creation.

P.S : You were in my story under the name of Philip. Don't worry you are included, not in the evolution tree anyway.



Believe in evolution
or get rid of your logic

215. Two More Fleas

Comment #149461 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 4:15 pm

(This fits perfectly with the predictions made by the theory of evolution by natural selection.)
reverend at least, once if you can, answer my question wiyhj logic and comon sense, in the animal kingdom, forget about DNA difference,, there are a lot of diffrences between animals and they are amazing sepeartely. Neither beavers nor bees can fit into evolution idea or TREE.

iF THE BEES DO NOT MAKE HONEYS WHAT WILL IT HAPPEN?
Curious?
Then watch Bee movie.

216. Two More Fleas

Comment #149457 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 4:09 pm

i WAS BUSY THE WATCHING iMAX THE BEAVER;S SHOW. yOU CAN DO THE SAME. iT MAY HELP YOU THINK HOW CREATION IS MAGNIFICENT iT'S BETTER THAN SCRATCH YOUR HEAD AND TRY TO BE FUNNY OR INSULT TO ANSWER

217. Two More Fleas

Comment #149453 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 4:05 pm

Are you seriously suggesting that the fact that someone has to program an animated show about DNA proves that DNA in nature must have such a programmer? The depths of your stupidity never cease to amaze me.??

If you cannot connect the logic between
animated DNA show requires the design and correct order to show the audience how DNA is built IN ORDER TO SHOW HOW THEY ARE BUILT IN REAL LIFE SITUATION, THEN, I AM AFRAID THE STUPIDITY BELONGS THE PERSON WHO SAY IT.

218. Two More Fleas

Comment #149449 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 4:00 pm

Beavers

The answer to my question is beavers - engineers, workers, architects? How and why do the beavers build dams? You cannot explain any animals's God dreiven intution by evolution? No You can't

http://www.geocities.com/bobarnebeck/dams.html

This is How God created all the animals on purpose with their specific duties.

219. Two More Fleas

Comment #149445 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 3:55 pm

1. How did god make our sense of smell?

We went to the lab again? God's creation cannot be deemed with the worldy conceptions and understanding. This is so funny that with your limited understanding and perception, you are asking how god did it. I want to see God doing it in the lab? while God created all the animals and still creating and will create in the lab of the world, still you are asking childish questions to cover the logical fallacies in evolution? This is barely deciving yourself or burying your logic into sand? Give up jon. The more you write like that tne more people believe that evolution is a hoax.

220. Two More Fleas

Comment #149436 by clearmind on March 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm

[Please give us a link to the post where I said that planets "created" the organic chemicals.


294. Comment #139439 by Jon_Sociologist on March 5, 2008 at 8:47 pm

Nod to Tyler, hope you don't mind if I answer him too.

Comment #139177 by wooter:
The hole of unexplained primordial soup's existence â€" The stars or planets, heat etc is not an answer that by luck planets produced amino acids and there you go we have got a protein soup. This is just a delusional soup.
The hole of unexplained aminoacids existence

The stars CREATED the organic chemicals through a process of nuclear fusion. We know about fusion and scientists have reproduced it (big fucking boom). We have observed that these chemicals are indeed present in stars. Thus we have a good answer to how we got a "protein soup". We also know that these chemicals tend to self-assemble in a certain pattern in a chemical reaction that causes the patterns cREATED to self-replicate (DNA).]

MANIPULATION, OR DEFINATION AND MTATION TYPO OR YOU CANNOTEXPLAIN eVOLUTION BY LOGIC SO YOU ARE MAKING A U TURN? i GUESS IT IS QUITE CLEAR.

221. Two More Fleas

Comment #148755 by clearmind on March 23, 2008 at 8:27 pm

*Jon changed the course of evolution
The stars CREATED the organic chemicals. It is good for new evolution.



Jon, you used the creation in your argument so you're saying that God did not create the universe but starts created it?
This is a very big U â€"Turn for evolution and U-Turn to God's creation. As we know, evolution is not creation but only luck and chances, collision, randomness, chaos that have no conscious and mind.

Second, then prove what you wrote above in the lab. I want to see it in the lab; How planets CREATED(!) CHEMICALS. How chemicals tend to self â€"assemble in a certain way? How Evolution built up amino acids, and accordingly DNA?

God created entire universe and his creations is self-proving of God's existence.

Jon CREATES CREATION STORIES AGAIN.
(Before the sun and the Earth existed there were other stars (the sun is a star). Some of those stars exploded spreading dust, gas, and ice far and wide. Some of that gas was pulled together by gravity into a new star that we now call the sun. Gravity is what pulls you down towards the Earth, the sun also has gravity and it pulls the planets towards it, but they don't fall in because they are spinning around it fast enough not to fall in, sort of like when you take a ball on a string and spin it around so that it pulls against you and tries to fly away.)

Before they make(!) chemicals
There were the stars?
When did the they happen?
How did they happen?

Some of that gas was pulled together by gravity into a new star that we now call the sun.)
If this is your explanation of how sun came into existence, this is really an offence to science and physics.

Where did gravity come from?
Sun has been burning for million years without any gas or oil. Its location to the earth is perfect. If It were a little closer we would be vaporized, if we were a little further, we would be frozen to death. So you cannot explain these kind of best location with Evolution, gas, or stars. Even Gravity is another pointer that points its Creator, God, through his perfect design that connect all planets and sun together with invisible power.

Trip to Science Museum

When I was visiting the museum, we saw the robots that were playing musical instruments. Just think about the robots that have got a DESIGNER, an intelligent person just designed them. How come human being, apart from his SOUL, much more sophisticated, incomparable to robots, has no designer. There is no logic and reason if we say humans came out of ;
Luck and chances
Chemical soup
Stars created Dna and then there you go worm came out, Then worm ended up in human beings.

Then we watched computer animated show about DNA. All Dna strings and amino acids were lined according to the DESIGN COMPUTER PERSON DREW. So even in a show, Dna follows a design and plan to happen, HOW COME IN REAL LIFE SITUTION, CAN DNA COME UP BY ITSELF? THIS IS ABSOLUTELT AN INSULT TO LOGIC.


Again we saw the robots that were made out of wax and in the shape of human being to reflect old times, like blacksmith or tailors. Amazing thing that they are all inserted an engine that helps them move according to the design that was made. If you compare human beings,

1. What was the engine inside our body if evolution denies SOUL. We are all flesh. If we don't move, we are no different from flesh.
2. All the animals have different duties. Some of them serve us and some of them balance the harmony in nature. Animals act upon their intuition or God-driven instincts to do their duties the same way waxed robots that act upon their design; these robots cannot do anything except what they are designed to do.

Bees make honeycombs with the best calculation of any mathematician .
Bats find their way with their ultimate technology.
Chicken can save her chicks by sacrificing her life to fox.
This list can go on but I can't skip my engineer animal. He is a construction worker, architecture, engineer and dentist killer. Which animal is this? I watched his documentary in Imax.

To reverend
I have no hard feeling on you though you are losing it at times by insulting. I don't why but I feel something logical in you reverend, that's why I made

222. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #148754 by clearmind on March 23, 2008 at 8:11 pm

Hi mr Dawkins
i caught somethng as well what do you think about the following arguments of an atheist?

([The stars CREATED the organic chemicals through a process of nuclear fusion. We know about fusion and scientists have reproduced it (big fucking boom). We have observed that these chemicals are indeed present in stars. Thus we have a good answer to how we got a "protein soup". We also know that these chemicals tend to SELF-ASSEMBLE in a certain PATTERN in a chemical reaction that causes the patterns CREATED to self-replicate (DNA).]

Is it lying for evolution?

223. Two More Fleas

Comment #148753 by clearmind on March 23, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Philip: Oh My God look who is coming? Mona Lisa. We are doomed now.

Mona Lisa: What's up guys? Still digging up evolution theory?

Reverend: tell me about it. What do you think about DNA story of Jonny boy?

Mona Lisa. If his were true, then, I will think that I came out by chemical process. Black color came out of chemical process by its own, and then through lot of evolutions, all the colours came out. It does not make sense to me or anybody. Needless to say that DNA is so well designed and sophisticated and it is incomparable to colours.

Jon: Irate, Call Uncle Bertrand and Darwin quickly.

Mona Lisa: I am out of here. That guy is really weird. He is trying to make experiments on me. He is obsessed with idea that Leonardo da Vinci is inside my colors.

Bertrand: what is up boys? You got yourself into trouble again?
Jon: this reverend kid is bothering us with his Logic.

Bertrand: Why did you use the word, 'create' in your chart? You know what the problem is. Each of you interprets evolution as you like. I am sick and tired of it. Then you often become a funny topic in theists chit-chats, worse became books. Then you try to cover it by being funny, "oh two more fleas?"

Reverend: I guess I can go home and eat my mum's chocolate cake. What about you guys? Oh sorry, you can't eat. I assume you have to wait for chemical process of chocolate on its own to be a chocolate cake. Oh Boys, your life is being spent away for waiting.

Irate: Get the f*** out of here.

Reverend. You know the bad words belong to the mouth it pops out.

Irate: you are childish.

Reverend: No. I am nice and LOGICAL.

224. Two More Fleas

Comment #148749 by clearmind on March 23, 2008 at 7:41 pm

Travel back in time â€" a reflection from the past
part 1
Reverend and his friends were playing in the playground. They are all 7 years old.

Reverend: My father built up this playground.

Richard: You are so stupid. Rev. This play ground came out by chances.

Epeeist: You dummy, reverend. Your parents did no teach you evolution. We all came from evolution. Our worm is our ancestor.

Reverend: You mean worm is our great great …grandfaher. Oh boys, you are killing me. How is that possible?

Al rawandi; It's possible because we all saw the jon's chart. We are all placed there. Jonny boy come and explain to us.

Jonny boy: It is pity that you missed it. Let me enlighten you, green boy. I will put in a fairytelly form. Okay. Once upon a time, there were some planets in the sky and these planets collided with each other?

Reverend: Excuse me how did planet exist?

Jonny: Don't interrupt me rev. Just listen. They were just there or you can ask uncle Darkens. Then out of planets' crash chemicals came out with the help of chance and luck and chemicals started dropping on the earth.

Reverend: but this is impossible. Chance, luck, stars, chemicals and rain don't make sense when they come together.

Jonny boy. Shut up. If you keep interrupting me, I will call irate.
Then chemicals on the earth made a chemical soup.

Reverend: Excuse me? Where did earth come from?
That is it. Call irate.

Irate; What the f*** are you doing reverend. You F*** off or you be a good f***ing listener.

Jonny boy; Thanks irate, a bit harsh but fair. But let me answer your question anyway. When the planets crashed the solar system came up. The earth, sun, moon, their location, orbits, RIGHT AND CORRECT distances to each other. Your mind is clear now?

Reverend: Wow, I did not know that crashes are so USEFUL.
Irate: Are you being f***ing sarcastic?

Reverend: No way. But sometimes I can't help it. Please keep going.
(Oh boy, it is gonna be a long day)
Jonny boy: Then chemicals came together and built up first amino acid. Then amino acid made the ..

Reverend: question. How amino acids came together in right order and chain? It is totally out of logic.

Jonny boy: Luck and chances, rev, luck and chances.

Rev: But if you put 3000 thousand small balls in a room, what is the odd for them to get in the right order?

Jon: Irate your turn.

Irate: You stupid boy, don't ask stupid questions? Don't make me start with you.

Philip: Boys I guess we have to let him talk. You know freedom of speech.

Jon: Okay. Let me continue. Then. With the help of Luck and chances built up DNA and first species, the lancelet.

Reverend: Its name looks like Loch ness Monster
Irate: what did ya say?

Reverend: Nothing. I say amazing. (Oh boy I gotto keep myself not to laugh.)

Jon: then worm evolved into fish.

Reverend: Okay say, there is costume party. Then I will change my clothes etc. Because I AM THINKING THAT I HAVE TO CHANGE and WHAT I WILL WEAR FOR PARTY. What about a worm?: How can it think? Imagine that I am worm.
Worm: Hmm. What I can I evolve? Where is the evolution tree? Oh I got it. Right here. It says I have to evolve into fish. Okay? But HOW? It does not say how? HANG ON A SECOND. I SEE I HAVE TO WAIT FOR BLINDWATCMAKER.

Jon: Don't be that stupid. Animals cannot think. They have no conscious.

REVEREND: There you go. This is what I am saying. In your story, so far â€" I do not think later TOO- there is no logic, no plan, no design and no conscious acts that will never result in conscious creatures.

Jonny boy: Irate, we have no choice. Gag him.
Jon: Now I can continue without being interrupted. Then, Lancet became fish, Fish became reptiles and reptiles evolved into mammals that evolved into rodents that evolved into WEIRD â€"HALF MONKEYS THAT ENDED UP IN HUMANS. You see everything so easy with evolution. Any questions?

Reverend: (You dummy, I am gagged. How can I?)
Jon: Irate, go let him talk.
Reverend: Perfect. Whatever you say is a very good story and your CHART IS MARVELLOUS. But something is missing.

Jon: What is it ?

Reverend: LOGIC OR MIND OR CONSCIOUS. Think about a puppet maker. Say he is very talented that he started doing all the puppets of all creatures, animals on the land and in the sea. Even this puppet master needs to design everything before he makes. Second when finishes making all the puppets of creatures SEPERATELY,(IT IS NOT LIKE HE MADE ONE PUPPET AND ONE PUPPET EVOLVED INTO OTHERS. WORSE CLAIMING THAT FIRST PUPPET CAME OUT BY ITSELF) they will be moved by the strings or SOUL. You understand my point. Logic only can be enough to refute your story without mentioning of scientific point of view.

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Comment #147597 by clearmind on March 21, 2008 at 12:13 am

Clearmind: where have you been, my assistant, logic?
Logic: Sorry sir, there was aN interview about a web page. Okay sir next one is reverend!

Clearmind. Reverend again. I thought he was cured. Okay send him in.
Reverend, why are so pissed off again? It is not good for your health? And you used the bad words again? You know the rule right. What? You cannot take that theist guy anymore. So leave him alone if you cannot answer his analogies properly and LOGICALLY. You know when you have no logic in what you believe, then you better not to talk about logic, it is not logical. What? You are a reverend, and your point is that you know religion or you know the religion the way you like to know and express. These are different. Okay let's do like this. Here is your medicine; go and rent ice age one and two; watch them while thinking and come back to me okay?


Next is Gordon
(What does it means that dogs are created separate from wolves? Does it mean one is a servant of man and one is a servant of the wilderness?
How can a person tell if a creature is a dog or if it is a wolf?)

Look Gordon, wolves are wolves and dogs are dogs, Elephants are elephants. I explained it many times that biologically, scientifically and logically INTERBREEDING OR EVOLVING FROM ONE KIND TO A SIMILAR KIND IS IMPOSSIBLE. All kinds of animal breed with their own kind. Evolution theor when they see sharks and dolphins then there you go, they make the assumptions right away. Animal kingdom is really big. Some of the are created for out goodness and some of them are created for the balance in the nature. We do not have one or two kinds of animals only. We have millions kinds of species with their different DNA codes and features. Evolution theory even if it were true, you cannot defend it against the challenge of time. Luck and chances, trial and error, wrong mutations, and all these can be tried if only we have a conscious intelligence, a human being, not evolution or blind watcmaker with no conscious and mind and knowledge.

Next is Jon social

interbreeding does not work between kinds of the animals. The offspring will not last long. Similarities between species IS NOT A PROOF FOR EVOLUTION AND DO NOT KEEP SAYING THAT TRANSITION FOSSILS ARE FOUND. A FEW ONES THAT ARE NEVER PROVED SCIENTIFICALLY. IF EVOLUTION WERE A FACT, JON, WE WOULD HAVE MILLIONS OF TRANSTION FOSSILS EVERYWHERE. This is already refuted by logic many times.

I advise you to think and thinking is not insulting. I see that you are obsessed with that theist guy since you wrote a lot. But you cannot drown him your long answers because you are losing it as below:


(So you think it is more logical to assume that an omnipotent creator god decides every roll of the dice. You think that such a being would give a rat's ass how many spots were on the top side of every shitty little piece of plastic in the world?
clearmind/wooter/wipeout/selfishmind:
Mona Lisa says: Black colour did not create other colours. How come? Colours are unconconscious and conscious things cannot create designed things.

The flaws in assuming that the universe is like a painting were outlined earlier in this post. "conscious things cannot create designed things" this is just more of the same drivel, and so poorly worded that wooter actually says the opposite of what he is apparently trying to say.
clearmind/wooter/wipeout/selfishmind:
Matter cannot create matter and matter cannot design matter as letters cannot come into existence by chance to write the book of DNA.

As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, the matter of DNA does not create anything; it REARRANGES(!) existing chemicals into copies of itself through chemical reactions. Natural selection does not work by UNFETTED CHANCE)


Jon go get take some rest of your mind and your SOUL (EVEN YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE A SOUL BUT YOU HAVE IT.)

By the way stop guessing about that theist guy. THINK ABOUT THAT IF HE WERE RUSSIAN, THEN, IT WILL PROVE THAT EVOLUTION IS A FACT?

God made al the people equally. But most of them THINK and a few of them do not think but just guess and make assumptions about the things they are supposed to think.


Next is Mona Lisa
Yes Mona Lisa, I know that nothing is wrong with you. So what brought you here? Really. A guy named Bertrand is poking you and trying to do some experiments on you. Good God? What is his problem? I see he is trying to find your artist in you? But it is not. Every designed things's designer is outside and every painting's artist is outside. Take it easy. Don't be scared. I will talk to Bertrand. He is a regular here.

Next was Irate but he ran away again.
Clearmind: i told you he is unstable. Okay I will see him tomorrow.

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Comment #147595 by clearmind on March 21, 2008 at 12:07 am

Breaking news again;

There is a strange struggle on the web site of Mr dawkins. One theist are fighting against all the atheistS on that webpage. Now we just ask any person on the street what do they think about this ongoing debate:

What do you think Mr Logic:

Logic: Well I have no comment but just check the answers of atheists and you see yourself;

TOTALLY CLULESS

* Wooter is not a native-speaker,
*If he's in the USA, isn't this a direct violation of the Establishment Clause?
*The speculation here was something like Tagalog.
*that it as soon as you come up with something that is idiot proof the world invents a better idiot.

*I simply have a totally fucked up sleeping rhythm... so I post after midnight, in the evening or in the early afternoon.

*I would have suspected possibly someone from eastern Europe or south-eastern Europe, possibly between Europe and Asia..

*I suggested that he was in fact the Loch Ness monster.
*That would explain a lot... a thousand years of hearing scottish accent :) and a melange of other languages and dialects while having a brain possibly equivalent to that of a brontosaurus.

*Then there's the severe trauma of being hunted for over a hundred years, constantly on the run, but with nowhere to go... that would explain the paranoia.

*I do not think Wooter is real.
I think he is some sort of elaborate joke.
I refuse to believe it.
There is nothing you can say that will make me change my mind.
*Fingers in ears - I can't hear you! Lalalalala*

SELF-NO-COMMENT REPLIES

*Wooter - Steve Zara is a biologist, I am a physicist and MPhil is a philosopher. Calilasseia is also a scientist. We obviously (to you at least) cannot comment on matters of god and religion.


*I will have you know that I am also an ordained minister.
*Let's all do it for a laugh!

*Epeeist. Can I SENT(GRASP OF ENGLISH?) him a picture of my genitals instead? They carry far more weight than my ordination, which was done through the ULC back in 1998.

*Yes - they are my words you stratified pile of smeg. You festering pile of excretia. You cretinous, uneducable, semi-literate, gibbering, pathetic excuse for an example of humanity

*Harsh. But fair.

*I'm pretty sure his native tongue is Russian. He has mentioned events in Russia from a personal perspective and my wife who is a linguist has analyzed wooter/clearmind/wipeout/selfishmind's sentence construction and concluded that the mistakes made are consistent with a native Russian speaker (a mentally handicapped native Russian speaker perhaps, but nonetheless).

SWEARING AND INSULTING RADIO BY REVEREND

*What are you? Eight years old? I keep expecting you to follow that gem up with 'I know you are, but what am I.'


*You are a liar. You have deliberately misrepresented the excellent work of several prominent archaeologists in your comments concerning fake fossils.

.
*You are a plagiarist. You have been caught on more occasions than the British Cricket team have testicles in reproducing the work of other writers without noting the author or source


*You are ignorant: From Birmingham castle, to Pablo Picasso, to chicken diets, to virtually anything else you have spoken on, you have demonstrated a vast ignorance in all subject matter. An ignorance


*You have no grasp of logic. Sure you can type the word, but you do not know what it means or how it is used.


*You are infantile. Your inability to cope with harsh language and personal invective would be laughable in a child, and yet you state it as an adult

*which the name wooter becomes synonymous with ignorance and other creationist arse-wipery. For example. "I listened to Ken Ham speak last night, he was spraying the wooter pretty thick

*Wooter, your constant repetition of disproven claims and flawed analogies smacks of the results of Skinner's pigeon experiments, your learned, superstitious, god blathering being repeated as a ritual in an attempt to get the food hopper to appear. Your rational mind reduced to the level of a pigeon. The analogy holds in that like urban pigeons you are a filthy, loathsome, scavenger; that is nonetheless amusing to throw scraps to from time to time.


Reporter: Why is so much insulting?
Logic: Because for most of them, that is the only thing they are able to do. Indeed there are more swearing and inappropriate words but I skipped it.

Reporter: Why is the theist guy is patient and stays composed?

Logic: Because HE KNOWS THAT HE IS RIGHT AND HE HAS CONFIDENCE IN WHAT HE BELIEVES SINCE IT IS BASED ON REASON. You know insulting comes from weaknesses and desperation and worse revenge.

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Comment #147592 by clearmind on March 21, 2008 at 12:01 am

Next is Al rawandi, What is your problem? You too. You got a problem with logic. Do you think insulting will make logic refutable? It is not good. You better take the DAY off and get some sunlight? And think about how sun is fixed in a way that for billion years it has been burning? Okay, God did not cerate it? How ET did it? Location of sun, its speed, what kind of science knowledge is needed to make it burn? How the elements are provided for sun to heat us and help the trees and vegetable and fruits on the earth? When you find the truth you will find the sun. Okay? Now you can go.

Breaking the news
After a long struggle, evolution gave up his life against logic and
Died. Cause of death is to clash with LOGIC.


Next is Calilasseia
I believe that you got a problem with logic too. So you believe luck and chances had nothing with evolution.
(Plus, as I have already stated, evolutionary biology does not posit that living organisms arise purely by "chance and luck". )

This is what you said, Hmm. Then, evolution is blindwatcmaker or methinks? Which one? Or you are saying that there was a piece of wood AND that piece of wood change/evolve into many kinds of furniture by all itself without chance and luck. But you know, nothing can happen by itself without any outside power, energy, design, knowledge and conscious. You are claiming that evolution started with a little pond â€" it was just there- processed into a worm and ended up with a human being who can write, feel, eat and teach and learn with his mind and conscious? It is funny right? This is how the students feel funny when they hear such ideas? So do not lose it. Just think where you are and where your logic is. NOTHING HAPPENS BY ITSELF. EVEN YOU FINGERNAILS!
If you buy the best time for your house decoration, and then, what do you do? You select one, right comparing, thinking about what you need, a stable with the help of your conscious and mind. But when you pop up the following sentences, then,
"Selection determines or selection allows"
then we assume that natural selection has got mind, conscious, knowledge, and intelligence to be able to SELECT or ALLOW.

You got a problem with self-entities as well. Okay let me give ou an example;


Brain computer
Eyes camera
Heart engine
birds boeing 747
eagles aircrafts
seven-layers around shield
the atmosphere
human beings robots
flies/Mosquitos helicopters

If anyone logical and rational will judge that the ones (human made it) on the left cannot be compared to the ones (God created) on the right. Now you are saying that the ones on the left are made by a intelligent and conscious humans but the much better ones on the left are done by themselves? Nothing further, honor logic.

So SELF-PRODUCING STORIES are the ENTITIES that we can use to describe evolution. Never forget any attempt to challenge logic will not go beyond the level of playing the words and psychological warfare tools like twisting and distorting through the accusations like - thermodynamics in biology just to pre-empt another favourite creationist canard that has long ago been debunked â€" while the plain truth about thermodynamics in biology and physics are always out there to defend creation and debunk evolution along with LOGIC. That is why vanity fair is best title for your attempts.

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Comment #147587 by clearmind on March 20, 2008 at 11:54 pm

State of Mind Clinic, a clinic for delusional patients
DAY 2


Next is Mphil again

What's up Phill? What is eating you? You are back again? Look Phil. Denying something in any form of language, slandering smearing, insulting, being funny, mocking, belittling, discrediting, twisting and swearing does not mean that idea is wrong. Now I assume that there is a very big fire over the hill. I can see the smoke. Then you say I do not see it. Then I say I can see the smoke and you say you can't. Then I say go up to the level of mine, then, you will see it. But you
still insist that you want to see it in your level down there! Along with me, a lot of people also see the smoke but you still insist not to go up to my level. That level that get me high enough to see the smoke is LOGIC. If there is a fire, then, there is smoke. If there is a smoke, then, there is fire. If there is a fire, then somebody made that fire.

Next is Alan
Why do you feel relaxed when you insult others? What? I see. Your ego hurts and insulting soothe your pain away, ha? Logic is the one you are insulting, right. But you know logic has got a title, status, reputation, it is INCONVINCIBLE. You cannot win over Logic.

Let me give an example to you. You bought a house. It was empty. You have to decorate it. So you go to your house to check with a designer to talk about the decoration. But once you arrive at your house, you are shocked because your house is decorated already, even, in a way that nobody saw such a beautiful design. Then designer says, wow, I am amazed, who is the designer of the house? Then you suddenly start a very funny debate claiming that your house is decorated by chances and luck. You claim that a piece of glass on the floor changed, mutated, and evolved again and again into all parts of design, and decoration items, kitchen utensils, furniture, armchair, carpet, tv, curtain and on and on. Designer says it is impossible. What you say is totally absurd and illogical and asks you sincerely, why do you that? Why do you deny that there is no designer of a designed house? And you say, BECAUSE I WAS NOT THERE WHEN DESIGNER DESIGNED THE HOUSE SO I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT. And designer says, but it is not fair to the designer of the house while you stay and live it and enjoy it?

Alan are you clear now? If not, then I will refer you to my colleague.


Next is Hungryelephant, you are here again? What happened? They brought you here because you keep screaming in science club like "The human eye, even a perfect one, does not function better than a half-decent camera."
But dear this is really elementary biology, human eye is the best camera. You can check google and any other web pages HOW OUR EYES WORK PERFETCLY. If you want me to go in detail, I can, but it is quite obvious. Even that guy, he is my patient too, yeah DARWIN, EVEN HE CANNOT MAKE UP A STORY ABOUT EYES AND HE ADMITS THAT EYES ARE PERFECT.

Please, be careful. Do not rely on any other stories like eyes came out by chances and evolution. This is totally out of logic, science and biology and medicine. Even if your half decent camera made by somebody. What about your eyes?
Okay let me give an example: Your eyes and the best came on the earth walk in an exhibition center which has got many people, food service, sample shows, etc a very alive. You have got the whole day. This is a competition. Your eyes and the best camera will take the pictures of everything, people, food, shows etc you eye on. Time and speed of taking pictures are deadly important. At the end of 24 hours, the judge will check your memory and the best camera
The result is obvious right! No camera can compete with the speed of eyes that take the pictures through a blink with the fastest zoom in and at the same time sending them to memory.
You goy it, now. The more you mention about eyes, the more people will believ that eyes are INCONVINCIBLE.

EYES NEVER TELL LIES.



Next is J. what is up? Why are you so tense? What are you mad at? Logic again? Oh dear, all right IF you want to believe that you are made by evolution, that is okay before you do that just take a look at your body parts how amazingly they cooperate with each other. You eat the food only hwat about the rest of food process, digesting, using and turning it into energy? COINCIDENCE, BLINDWATCMAKER, MENOTTHINKING? Think one more time. But do not swear and insult which does help to make LOGIC WRONG. You have got brain right. You can think, get angry, pissed of, etc. So doN'T go blank and vacant. JUST THINK.

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Comment #147215 by clearmind on March 20, 2008 at 3:26 am

State of Mind Clinic, a clinic for delusional patients.

Clearmind: How is the situation today?
Logic: We have got a long line sir.
Clearmind: A'right. Bring it on. Who is first?
Logic: Mr Zara

Clearmind: Zara, I can't help you anymore. I tried my best. Sometimes you sound okay. But it did not work. I will give you one last prescription: You have to take this medicine: THINK.

NEXT IS Quetzalcoatl
I REFER YOU TO REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY UNIT. They will take care of you.
By the way, try not to clash with theist people. You lose your mind while struggling to prove evolution is a fact. Your health comes first.


NEXT IS Peacebeuponme

Long time no sea! How have you been? You are still being funny. You are killing me all the time. You still believe that you came from the worm. Look worm and you are different. Just click on the page.
http://www.flowers.vg/flowers/00flower01.shtml?worm007.jpg
and human
http://www.oup.co.uk/oxed/children/oise/pictures/humans/
You see the difference, right? So take it easy.

Next is Philip1978
Ah Philip. Your remedy lies in reading carefully and trying to understand what the real world is around. What is the logic you keep saying that you are looking for the maker of Mona Lisa inside the painting? You do the same thing when you look for the luck and chances as maker inside the creations! Amino acids, colours and compare these two. You got it?

Next is epeeist
My book worm chap! All of this is in elementary biology text books. Stop sticking your fingers in your ears and going "La la la".

I hope you did not do that la la la thing or you assumed that someone did it,
So tell us as book worm in a very elementary way how evolution â€" luck and chances fixed the sun in perfect way if God did not create it.

Next is hungarianelephant
Saying "logic" does not constitute logic.

It is not good to talk about the things you don't think. You know smart people, first they think later they talk, rest of the people first talk later think. So your homework is to think about the comparison between the colours in Mona Lisa and amino acids in chemical soup. But be sure that chemicals dropped down from the sky. Bertrand and Darwin were waiting there.


Next is mphil

Why are you so angry? What happened? What? Logic? Is it bothering you again? But phil you cannot survive without logic. You have to take or take it. No other chance. Look at you eyes? While a regular simple camera has got a maker, how come your best camera like eyes do not have a maker but only blindwatchmaker like luck and chances? Please be logical?

Next is Elephant
Elephant what on earth are you doing here? You are okay? What? The worms keep asking you to bow them since they think they are the ancestors of you. I see. You are sick and tired of it. Don't worry. I will talk to them. Now you go and take a rest. Stay away from the worms and stick with your own KIND. That will help.

Next is worm
Worm, what is wrong with you? Why do you bother elephant? For logic sake, you are completely different? Where did you learn these kind of stories? Who? Darwin? Oh little fella! You are misled. Now Darwin made the story but he could not make it happen. He is around the little pond waiting for chemicals rain so that amino acids can happen. How long? More than one hundred year. If you don't believe me, go and talk to him.


Clearmind; that is enough for today? I will accept rest of them tomorrow. Make irate first. he needs more help than others.
Logic: No problem.

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Comment #146420 by clearmind on March 19, 2008 at 4:24 am

(You are truly the stupidest person I have ever had the misfortune to interact with. And I have met lots of people (by all rawandi)}

To Philip
Now, I am sure that's English, I live in this country, have done for nearly 30 years, I studied its literature for part of my degree, Clearmind, I cannot for the life of me decipher what it is you are on about. Please can you translate that for me?

(clearmind, please answer the following question:
Grass grows green but not is made tree, how explain invisible air Darwin step in red paint 4 billion years?)

Mine is LOGIC. What about the one above? I guess Philip will help us to decipher?

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Comment #146419 by clearmind on March 19, 2008 at 4:23 am

To Mphil
(construct a proof of at least 40 steps of whatever logical theorem you like.)
1. My best camera like eyes refute evolution
2. My best computer like brain like refutes evolution
3. My body parts. Heart, ling, blood veins and rest of it refute evolution
4. The worm refutes evolution
5. The elephant refutes evolution
6. Zebras refute evolution
7. Tigers refute evolution
8. Ants refute evolution
9. Whales refute evolution
10. Solar system refutes evolution
11. Trees refute evolution
12. The photosynthesis refutes evolution
13. The way rain drops from the sky refutes evolution.
14. The existence of gravity refutes evolution
15. The moon and earth refute evolution
16. With their different colour, taste and smell, vegetables refute evolution
17. With their different colour, taste and smell, food refute evolution
18. The different designed snowflakes refute evolution
19. The servant like animals, chicken, bees, sheep, cows refute evolution.
20. The Dna refutes evolution
21. Amino acids refute evolution.
22. The genes refutes evolution
23. The Rna refutes evolution
24. The red and white blood cells refute evolution
25. the small intestine and big intestine complains about evolution.
26. The tonsils complain about evolution
27. The monkeys complain about evolution
28. The peacock dislike evolution
29. Jellyfish condemns evolution
30. The seven layers around the atmosphere refutes evolution
31. The resemblance between atoms and solar system refute evolution.
32. The scientists refute evolution
33. Biology refutes evolution.
34. The physics refutes evolution
35. Luck and chances refute evolution
36. The methinks is thinking and refutes evolution
37. Blindwatchmaker refutes evolution since it is blind
38. Selfish gene debunks evolution
39. Mona Lisa IS STILL SMILING
40. Finally logic refutes evolution since all evolution is not based on science and logic.

7 logical scientific questions
the unsolveable problems of evolution:

1.No explanation for why life contains only left-handed amino acids
2.No explanation for how life could start WITH or WITHOUT oxygen in the atmosphere
3.No explanation for how life could start in the oceans (hydrolysis)
4.No explanation for how evolution could occur in harmony with the Second Law of Thermodynamics
5. No explanation for the origin of information.
6. Second Law of Thermodynamics - The 2nd law of thermodynamics states that everything wears out over time and does not become more complex. things required for evolution to work:

7. the four things required for evolution to work:
a. An open system
b. A source of energy
c. A mechanism to capture energy
d. A mechanism to convert energy into usable energy for doing work.

c and d are generally left out of the text books. If you can't
capture energy you can't put it to work.

a. How can a mechanism to capture energy develop?
b. How could lifeless (non-complex) chemicals spontaneously develop into a complex energy capture system?
These can't be explained by evolutionists... Catch 22 situation...

Sorry, Calilasseia, it is not as long as yours but mine is based on logic and humor.

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Comment #146417 by clearmind on March 19, 2008 at 4:22 am

To Calilasseia
(Ah, at last, something comprehensible)
To comprehend something comes through logic and if you do not read logically, you will need to do something first to understand and first thing is to believe that nothing g can happen by chances and luck.

Speaking of being comprehended, please enlighten us with your following arguments:

(Selection determines
selection allows
Whilst mutation is random or more properly, a stochastic process
stochastic process: a statistical process involving a number of random variables depending on a variable parameter.)


(Blind assertion. Again bereft of evidential support. Provide some)

Go and join the art exhibition of God. Art points out the artist not random chances and blind watchmaker. Or you look in the mirror to see the best one.

747 analogy is a very best one. Even Dawkins tried to refute it, but it was a vain attempt.


To Gordon:

(do you think dogs and wolves have common ancestors?
- do you think cats and tigers have common ancestors?
- do you think horses and zebras have common ancestors?
What I like to know is if you think God:
- Created dogs and wolves separatedly?
- Created cats and tigers separately?
- Created horses and zebras separately?)

God created this hotel like earth, design it from, plants, chlorophyll, oxygen, to Earth's axial tilt to make us seasons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt - then created placed servant like animals, chickens, bees, cows, sheep, and rest of the animals separately and with their open-hand gesture like branches trees with their different fruits, finally when the earth is ready, human beings were created. So the time to create the earth and then to create the first human being is different.

Quetzalcoatl

(Clearmind think blindwatchmaker not paint Mona Lisa. Why Mona Lisa smile, because she knows she was created by Painter, not from Amino Acids)

Oh man! Please ready my analogy carefully. I feel funny when I explain the logic in my analogies.

Mona Lisa says: I have got an artist to make me. So do not mingle my colours (amino acids) to find Leonarda Vinci there. All you will find is the colours.

Mona Lisa says: Don't get funny. How come a black colour mutates into other colours and mixes up by chance then there you go I was made.

Mona Lisa says: In the beginning, there was all the colours, brushes and other equipment were ready. They did not drop down from the sky.

Mona Lisa says: Black colour did not create other colours. How come? Colours are unconconscious and conscious things cannot create designed things. Matter cannot create matter and matter cannot design matter as letters cannot come into existence by chance to write the book of DNA.


Irate, you again hit the bottom of insulting. You know the rule; bad words belong to the owner of the mouth it pops up. Take it easy. Get some coffee or go watch the evolution movie.

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Comment #146415 by clearmind on March 19, 2008 at 4:20 am

Mini cliché's

(Why no two snowflakes the same?)

WHY WHY WHY? Don't try to be funny to be evasive.

(I cannot believe that this person is for real. I suspect that we are being put on.)

Yeah tell me about it. I feel the same when I look at the evolution tree.


(I am waiting for the penny to drop.)

I thought you are waiting for chemical to drop. You know Bertrand and Russell are losing their patience down there.


("The evolution with HIS MIND AND INTELLIGENT WITH THE HELP OF BLINDWATCMAKER AND A LITTLE CHANCE WILL NOT BE HURT MAKE every snowflake differently"}
Let's paraphrase it:

"The evolution with HIS MIND AND INTELLIGENT WITH THE HELP OF BLINDWATCMAKER along with A LITTLE CHANCE (WILL NOT hurt) can MAKE every snowflake differently"

Sometimes I write very fast so I could not have time to double check. But I believe that what I mean is always passed to the land of meaning.

To Epinephrine

(Chance plays a role.)
(Natural selection isn't about chance)
So nightingale is lucky to survive?


To Epeeist

(that they are fiction)


Blindwatcmaker
Luck and chances
Methinks

I want to hear from you -with logic involved.-
he is guilty of plagiarism)
Slandering again?

To Zara
(William Stansfield (Ph.D.) is a good old young-earther. As far as I can tell last published in the 70s.)

Is it coincidence that all my web pages and sources are based on fake and discredited? Hmm. Let me think. NO. So what is it? Distorting?

(No wooter; on the Earth.)

You mean the delusional one, that is still waiting for amino acids to rain?


To: hungarianelephant
How about back to LOGIC?

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Comment #146413 by clearmind on March 19, 2008 at 4:18 am

To Jon

If zebra and horses look like each other then you this is the prrof that they came from one another. Then butterflies can fly so are the birds? Then WHAT?

(Wrong, many genes do nothing, and many genes are actually harmful to the creature in question)

So who is in charge? Blindwatcmaker or methinks? If genes are harmful? Why is there a design and order in creation? Why don't we have monsters?

Second, please, give us a clear explanation of Luck and Chance in evolution theory?
The problem of the early evolution of life and the unfounded optimism of scientists was well put by Dawkins. He concluded that Earth's chemistry was different on our early, lifeless, planet, and that at this time there existed
...no life, no biology, only physics and chemistry, and the details of the Earth's chemistry were very different. Most, though not all, of the informed speculation begins in what has been called the primeval soup, a weak broth of simple organic chemicals in the sea. Nobody knows how it happened but, somehow, without violating the laws of physics and chemistry, a molecule arose that just happened to have the property of self-copyingâ€"a replicator. This may seem like a big stroke of luck... Freakish or not, this kind of luck does happen... [and] it had to happen only once... What is more, as far as we know, it may have happened on only one planet out of a billion billion planets in the universe. Of course many people think that it actually happened on lots and lots of planets, but we only have evidence that it happened on one planet, after a lapse of half a billion to a billion years. So the sort of lucky event we are looking at could be so wildly improbable that the chances of its happening, somewhere in the universe, could be as low as one in a billion billion billion in any one year. If it did happen on only one planet, anywhere in the universe, that planet has to be our planetâ€"because here we are talking about it (Dawkins, 1996, pp. 282â€"283, emphasis in original).

To: TonyA

Jon, well done. You convert to believe that evolution is delusion. Thanks man. Keep it up. I will tell you one more story still you are on our side now?

Elephant: Oh man it is so hot>
Worm: hey watch where you are stumping. You almost crashed me. Show some respect.
Elephant: Why is that?
Worm: You dummy? I am your ancestor?
Elephant: what the heck are you talking about?
Worm: Oh elephant boy! You came from me, Evolution! Did you hear about that?
Elephant: Nope. All I know that We were all the same same in the past, now and in the future.
Worm: NO. I AM YOUR ANCESTOR. Bow to me.
Elephant: Okay. Ooops. I crashed him by accident. Man. This worm guy never looked at the mirror I guess. What a funny day>

I believe that atheists when they convert to believe that change the song, right?

I BELIEVE I CAN FLY

C HANGE INTO

I BELIEVE I CAN THINK.


Did ya?

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Comment #145874 by clearmind on March 18, 2008 at 8:56 am

374 is for irate.

Word salad is better than evolution tree salad? How do you think? Have a nice logic day

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Comment #145872 by clearmind on March 18, 2008 at 8:53 am

Calilasseia or Mr whatever
Sorry to bust your bubbles?

Evolutionist William Stansfield, Ph.D., California Polytech State, has stated:
"It is obvious that radiometric techniques may not be the absolute dating methods that they are claimed to be. Age estimates on a given geological stratum by different radiometric methods are often quite different (sometimes by hundreds of millions of years). There is no absolutely reliable long-term radiological 'clock'."10

Evolutionist Frederick B. Jueneman candidly summarizes the situation:
"The age of our globe is presently thought to be some 4.5 billion years, based on radio-decay rates of uranium and thorium. Such 'confirmation' may be shortlived, as nature is not to be discovered quite so easily. There has been in recent years the horrible realization that radio-decay rates are not as constant as previously thought, nor are they immune to environmental influences. And this could mean that the atomic clocks are reset during some global disaster, and events which brought the Mesozoic to a close may not be 65 million years ago, but rather, within the age and memory of man."11

Rest of the ruth lies in the following page;
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-radioactive.html

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dating-radiometric.htm
(don't miss it)

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Comment #145871 by clearmind on March 18, 2008 at 8:51 am

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Comment #145869 by clearmind on March 18, 2008 at 8:49 am

Reverend talks â€" for the sake of humor
(the earth was 'designed' for the benefit of humans. There is no evidence for this;)

So do not breath, eat fruit, food and sleep since you see no benefit in designed earth.

(Your question would be like asking how spaghetti explains the colour of oranges.)

Evolution got the wrong path.


(the cows mock you). It is funny that you mention cows, sheep, pig, chickens, etc as the domestication of many of these species actually predates the date you give for their creation. Undomesticated boars and water buffalo are certainly there for your convenience, they will conveniently stomp your knobby little body flat.)

How do you know that I am little. Hmm let me guess. You are assuming again. As for animal Kingdom is the best art of God with their different colours , behaviours, structures and design. Some of them are for showing God's art and some of them both showing God's creation and serving us. Don't ask buffalo to give you eggs, you will have what you try to guess about me. Don't blame me later.




More reverend
(The idea that all chordate animals came from a worm is not easy, but it is logical, and it is scientific.)

PLEAS TELL US. We are evolving to know; How did ELEPHANT COME FROM WORM? LOGICALLY, SCIENTIGFICALLY AND REFERRING TO EVOLUTION TREE?


(more transitional forms are discovered every year.)
You mean on this PLANET? Where and when?



(You are ignorant through your own effort.)
After reading your answers and mine., the decision belongs to commonsense.


alan baylis
(Reverand and others here to educate him,are some of the funniest things I've read in a long time!)

Me, education and reverend
Or would I say me(logic) education(my analogies) reverend ( knocked out evolution idea)


Now I know how evolins feel when they try to enter an evolution tree. Because it is really there is no beginning and no end . See yourself.
http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/trevol.jpg

http://images.google.com.hk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/trevol.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.dhushara.com/book/evol/evol.htm&h=2191&w=1513&sz=785&hl=en&start=1&um=1&tbnid=WK3hQdYPAFtuuM:&tbnh=150&tbnw=104&prev=/images?q=evolution tree&u

(sorry it is very long, you know , it is evolution tree) I advise you to take blindwatcmaker or Menothinking or luck or chance along with you if you intent to enter. You will need it. You will need luck to find the way in the evolution tree



To epeeist
You can read all the books on the earth but if you are unable to read the book of universe, does it matter? All real SCEINTIFIC books are the interpretations of universe book, so if you can't read the main book, how can you benefit from the interpretations of it?
You asked me what book I have read; I have read major books about English literature and my favorite one is William Makepeace Thackeray's Vanity fair. The thing is that I can read the book of universe so I can see what I am supposed to see. I am not blinded by blind theories that are based on blind concepts like blindwatchmaker? By the way, the audience is still waiting and getting more curious why are you avoiding to answer the following question? (in terms of their wording, they seem to be question indeed.)

Blindwatcmaker
Luck and chances
Methinks

We covered selfish gene already. Genes are all correlated with each other and work according to their design not acting imaginary or conceptual selfish feelings.

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Comment #145862 by clearmind on March 18, 2008 at 8:41 am

To Roland
1)The evolution with HIS MIND AND INTELLIGENT WITH THE HELP OF BLINDWATCMAKER AND A LITTLE CHANCE WILL NOT BE HURT MAKE every snowflake differently,
2) T The evolution, THE VERSION FOR SKY, with HIS MIND(!) AND INTELLIGENT FIGURES OUT THE SUN AND EARTH LOCATION, DAYS AND NIGHTS, SEASONS, is spinning planets and rotate them every morning around the sun,
3) The EVOLUTION SEND THE WOODS TO THE SUNEVERY DAY, NAM A LOT FO WOOD IS NEEDED. So evolution asked help from dinasours to evolve into such a way that they can fly in the space so that they can carry some woods. The problem is that BERTRAND AND DARWIN STILL LOOKING FOR AMOINO ACIDS IN THE POND.


4) That EVOLUTION try to make all the plants and animals to only serve humans along with shield,SEVEN LATERS, REVEIVING HARMLESS SUNLIGHT, THE EXACT POWER OF GRAVITY, OXYGEN, CARBONDIOAXIDE THEIR COOOPERTAION WITH TREES, BUT EVOLUTION NEEDED HELP? Where is blindwatcmaker? Oh man he is lost again on the way. Methinks, go get him and methinks says" don't bother me, I am trying to think HOW I CAN THINK?

6) That there is a Birmingham palace CAME OUT BY ONE OF THE BRICKS INSIDE. But amino acidsm sorry, I mean bricks do not know how they evolve into different structures like glass, iron, wood so that they can GOT THE CERTAIN DESIGNS LIKE WINDOWS, TABLE OR OVEN?

7) Mona Lisa came out by evolution. The dark colour dropped from sky and it thought(!) what can I be what can I be? I got it I got. I can be a painting. Hm But I am only one colour. And Evolution is getting in scene right on time. Don't worry I will mutate you and evolve you into many colours? Then there you go many colours(!) But How can I do the painting? I have no mind, no talent, no conscious, And evolution says,' do not look at me, me neither! I am nothing. I am just an idea. Please call Learno da vinci then, the colours says. Leorna comes in looks for the thing it calls him. " hey colours where are you? And colours says, I am here, don't you see me? Leonarda says, "no". And colours says, Oh may God I am delusion, evolution come over here? Why? And Evolution says, " because I am delusion too.
Leornardo says, " don't worry, I brought my colours. And Leonarda did Mona Lisa and the reason why she smiles is the conversation above.

to Epinephrine
Ok, first off, there are "transitions". Look up Tiktaalik for an example of a a fishapod.
The evolution is really notorious for fake fossils and fabricated skulls. Second,
One random fish bone(!) is enough to prove ET
Then we have to find more transition fossils:
Half dog-half horse
Half bird-half dinousor
Half frog-half fish
The list can go on and on

(Secondly, evolution is more logical and scientific. It might not be as "easy" as "goddidit", but it certainly explains eveything a lot better.)

Something can come out by chances and Luck that have no conscious and mind
Something can be created by God that have conscious and wisdom and ultimate knowledge.
Everything came out from one single power.
Can Everything come out from chaos, luck, chance? If boeing 747 comes out from the junkyard along with all electronic equipment, then answer is yes otherwise, of course, answer is no.

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Comment #145149 by clearmind on March 17, 2008 at 10:08 am

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To roland again
(So the only scientific explanation understandable is 'God did it'.)
Who created all vegetables and fruits in different colour and taste from the same factory like soil? Evolution did it. There was the tomatoe soup at the beginning then there you go evolution and mutation are at it again.
Who created all the planets, sun and earth and placed them in the perfect location and condition for the sake of days and nights and seasons, evolution did it.
Who created the perfect body parts of body, eyes, brain, blood, lungs etc evolution did it from the worm.
Who created all animals from nightingale to hawks (hmm something is wrong here! How come nightingale survived natural selctio?) or from the dancing jellyfish to elephants? Evolution did it. It was so easy. Look at the evolution tree. It is really easy.

(Don't let you self getting confused from Wooterism)
Wooterism is surely better than evolism. No, wait, it is the best.



Epeeist
Dear philosophy addicted pal:
BEGGING THE LOGIC
Evolution is an idea. It was popped up by Darwin and since its idea is not based on logic, Darwin was wrong. Therefore evolution idea was wrong. For the sake of Petitio principii,
"To be an atheist, you have to believe with absolute certainty that there is no God. In order to convince yourself with absolute certainty, you must examine all the Universe and all the places where God could possibly be. Since you obviously haven't, your position is indefensible."
It is impossible or hard to prove something does not exist. But it is easy to prove something exists.

What about those non-believers in your god that he killed, are they in heaven or hell?

Me nor you are not the owner of the universe. But one thing is for sure God is so merciful and for those who would not hurt a fly, hopefully may have God's blessing.
Non-believers are two kinds:
One stubbornly denies God and worse swears
One has no idea what the universe is for and nobody told him that there is God and he never says that God does not exist.

Paradise is not cheap and hell is NOT unnecessary.

i WISH YOU CAN ALL GO TO HEAVEN ONCE YOU BELIEVE IN GOD.

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Comment #145147 by clearmind on March 17, 2008 at 10:05 am

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To ratio
Let's get rational:
In my pharmacy analogy, the logic is that all creatures like medicine, are diffretnt in terms of DNA and a little mistake by CHANCES AND LUCK WILL CAUSE THEM TO BE A MONSTER AND THEY WILL DIE VERY SOON. Your interpretation is either funny or you are serious but your answer is funny. My pharmacy and Mona Lisa analogies are the best ones that nobody can try to refute it.

NEXT
To everybody
Please define the evolution vocabulary terms:
Blindwatcmaker?
MeThinks?
Luck and Chance?
Memes

NEXT:
To GordonYKWong
(The issue I see here is that many poster here are using very clever arguments against him, but judging from Clearmind's reply, he doesn't seem to be grasping any of those arguments, fully or partially. (No offense, Clearmind, those are just my opinions) I am just curious to see what level of sophistication should I be operating at when I engage with him.
Sounds weird... yeah I know...)
Why do people try to insult?

1.They are angry
2.they are angry so they want to et revenge
3.They feel really desperate and frustrated, then, insulting make them relax and feel better.
Insulting comes out in different forms

1.Trying to make himself and others believe that his rival's ideas are wrong by trying to belittle his ideas

Gordon, anybody objective will judge who can answer who cannot answer. AS you know a few people want to join and discuss the matters with you, guys, but they do not dare like kringski or bishop and others because the attitude toward theists are really rude in intimidating? Why there is nobody here on this web page except me? This web page is not based on exchanging jokes or feel safe for what you believe by passing the ball of jokes or mocking or attempts to belittle rival's ideas. The replies like yours do not help OTHERS BELIEVE WHAT YOU BELIEVE. Worse, it is quite opposite.

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Comment #145145 by clearmind on March 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

To reverend
(Wooter, you ignorant little pox scar on the scrotum of life.)
Why do people try to insult?

1. They are angry
2. they are angry so they want to get revenge
3. They feel really desperate and frustrated, then, insulting make them relax and feel better.
Insulting comes out in different forms

4.Swearing is the lowest degree of insulting which explicitly shows the insulter is losing it.
Humans are a species. Specifically Homo Sapiens.
Reverend, do not interpret my comments with the way you want to see it. Me, you and rest of the audience know very well that I did not include human beings in ny response as it is very clear in my analogy as well:
God created this hotel like earth, design it from, plants, chlorophyll, oxygen, to Earth's axial tilt to make us seasons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt - then placed servant like animals, chickens, bees, cows, sheep, and with their open-hand gesture like branches trees with their different fruits, finally when the earth is ready, human beings were created. So the time to create the earth and then to create the first human being is different. As wiki proposes we cannot know the exact time. Time is not a problem for creation since time is created as well.

(Evolution deals with biological life. If you want to look into how old the earth is, you are far better off consulting physics.) WRONG.
Answer the question, reverend Don't be evasive;
How old is the earth according to evolution theory?
NEXT
Roland tries to figure out with figures, straw man?
(The 16% atheist and 84% Yahweh believers are a statistics from the USA according to the last PEW study published here last week. As the USA accounts for less than 5% of world inhabitants the global number is smaller.
A billion Hindus another huge number of Buddhist, Taoist, Confucius's are not believing in the Biblical genesis, so the God of the desert religions account for 50% of world population)
Roland you know what? The easiest thing in the world is to deceive yourself. Entire world knows that all religions has got a faith in God in different forms. Another vain attempt in VANITY FAIR. Enjoy the web page and see youself.
http://exchristian.net/pics/worldreligions.html
NEXT
328. Comment #144764 by frederik on March 16, 2008 at 5:38 pm
(Clearmind, thank you for your support. Although I don't believe in god, my strongly held personal belief is that the Purple Teapot circling the sun is not imaginary, it is real! What's more, the intelligent Teapot created the universe. By replacing god with my beloved Purple Teapot in all your contributions, they make an excellent point for the existence of the Teapot, praised be it's name.)

Why do people try to insult?

1.They are angry
2.they are angry so they want to get revenge
3. They feel really desperate and frustrated, then, insulting make them relax and feel better.

Insulting comes out in different forms
3. Mocking and teasing is the best ace card for insulters SINCE THEY ARE UNABLE TO GIVE ANY ANSWER. You are right on this level. KEEP IT UP.
NEXT
(Do you think that dogs shared common ancestry with certain species of wolves? Why/why not?)

(- Do you think that cats shared common ancestry with certain species of tigers? Why/why not?)

(- Do you think that horses shared common ancestry with zebras? Why/why not?

Did frog evolve from prince? No.
Did apple evolve from broccoli? NO
Did butterfly evolve from elephant? No

One kind cannot evolve from another kind logically scientifically biologically â€" DNA- otherwise if we assume it were true then, we will have a lot of fossil samples that belong to monsters like creatures â€" like in evolution movie- half is horse half is zebra?

Which one easier and logical and scientific? All the animals were created separately or all animals and human beings came from a worm?

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Comment #144739 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 5:03 pm

Let's get back to selfish genes(!)

This is the central theme of the book, exemplified by the metaphor of the football team. The gene cannot be the central focus of evolution, as the Dawkins school would have it, for genes are not themselves self-replicating. Genes need the whole apparatus of the cells if they are to propagate into the next generation: they need their own promoters; they need other genes to act as switches to turn them on at appropriate points in the development cycle of a cell; and they need yet other genes to make the cellular machinery for gene expression and for replication during cell division. How can a 'selfish' gene, acting selfishly, promote the co-evolution of all the other players within the cell that are necessary to this particular gene's survival into the next generation? (by Gabriel Dover)

and?

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Comment #144738 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 5:02 pm

reverend
I can't say for sure that all animals and human beings are created at the same time. I will check.

REVEREND I KNOW VERY WELL WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. No worries. Please you will not tell us that I am not sure What was the exact time God created all animals and species and finally human beings, then, there you you prove that Evolution is a fact?

And this is what I write black and white:

To reverend and jon again
Wiki says: Modern geologists consider the age of the Earth to be around 4.54 billion years The exact age of the Earth is difficult to determine.
If I want to open a hotel for guests, First I will build it up, design it, place all the necessary equipment and servants, then, I will invite the guests. God created this hotel like earth, design it from, plants, chlorophyll, oxygen, to Earth's axial tilt to make us seasons - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_tilt - then placed servant like animals, chickens, bees, cows, sheep, and with their open-hand gesture like branches trees with their different fruits, finally when the earth is ready, human beings were created. So the time to create the earth and then to create the first human being is different. As wiki proposes we cannot know the exact time. Time is not a problem for creation since time is created as well.

So does time matter? To creation of God, No"

To evolution: we are waiting reverend's answer

AND STILL QUESTIONS THAT ARE WAITING FOR ANSWERS?
Blindwatcmaker?
MeThinks?
Luck and Chance?
Memes

To: tstinchcombe
(admit to mistakes/flaws)I

Is It valid suggestion for atheists as well, right?

Look. Now 84 per cent of world population in any way they believe a creator, now you are trying to tell us that we are all wrong, with low understanding but 16 percent is right? Among 84 percent people, there a lot educated people and smart guys so they cannot think right and but you can?

The problem is evolution theory is not based on logic. You are still struggling to find Leonarda da vinci inside the painting, in one of the colours whatever you call it blindwatcmaker or menotthinking or blindwatchmaker. I wisj you can understand this analogy and say you are right. May be some day.

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Comment #144717 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 4:35 pm

Reverend, either you are funny or when you write you are off the line"

God created all species separately and at the same time. Each animal has different body structure with different needs.

My beloved detective, did you catch any phrase like human being in the sentence above? in terms of semantics, linguistics?

So, take it easy. I will get back to your question. Don't speculate to win. It is not good.

OKAY ME AND REST OF THE 84 PERCENT WORLD POPULATION ARE DYING TO KNOW?

HOW OLD EARTH IS ACCORDING TO EVOLUTION?

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Comment #144707 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 4:18 pm

The theory of evolution ascribes the observed diversity of life to random genetic mutations some of which are retained in the gene pool due to the improved chance for survival and reproduction that those mutated genes confer on individuals who possess them.
(From Wiki)
Darwin and Prof Dawkins use a lot the following terms, please briefly and logically explain to us. I asked this third time

blindwatcmaker

MeThinks

Chance and Luck

Random

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Comment #144511 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 9:11 am

Wooter, please answer the question you were asked. Do you think all creatures including humans were created in or around 10,000 years ago?

I believe so but I am not positive about the exact time. Okay say ten thousand but this might be the human beings starting date to live on the earth and I can't say for sure that all animals and human beings are created at the same time. I will check.

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Comment #144507 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 9:02 am

Let's get back to selfish genes(!)

This is the central theme of the book, exemplified by the metaphor of the football team. The gene cannot be the central focus of evolution, as the Dawkins school would have it, for genes are not themselves self-replicating. Genes need the whole apparatus of the cells if they are to propagate into the next generation: they need their own promoters; they need other genes to act as switches to turn them on at appropriate points in the development cycle of a cell; and they need yet other genes to make the cellular machinery for gene expression and for replication during cell division. How can a 'selfish' gene, acting selfishly, promote the co-evolution of all the other players within the cell that are necessary to this particular gene's survival into the next generation? (by Gabriel Dover)

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Comment #144506 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 9:01 am

Epeeist

If My personal information will help evolution theory stand on logical ground, I would be happy to tell. I believe that we are discussing Evolution theory and neither my background or slandering or insulting or banning did not help
evolution idea to be a fact. Some of the people on this web page are not mature enough to be accepting and understanding so personal information is not needed. While our topic is selfish Genes, let's dig up more that selfish genes are selfish enough to make the nightingale rid of the hawks by sacrificing itself to save its babies.

Epeeist again.

(Your argument is that:
1.The universe is like an intricate watch
2.A watch must have been designed by a watchmaker
3.Therefore, the universe must have been designed by some kind of creator.}

Sorry to correct you again. This is what I say:
1. The universe is like perfect watch. Each part is correlated with each other and there is a perfect harmony among the parts of watch. Therefore, a watch needs a watchmaker to happen and the same way the watch â€"like perfectly designed universe need a maker as well. Design points out designer. Chaos points out chaos and randomness. Thus, a watch needs a watchmaker, not the BLIND ONE and universe needs a creator.
(However one can reframe this:

1.The universe is like an intricate watch
2.Many early watches were designed by locksmiths
3.Therefore, the universe may have been designed by some kind of locksmith)

You keep the same point of view to try to rebut logic in my analogy. Analogy is just to compare two things to understand logic in them.

Then I will say like as an hypothetical atheist using same point of yours:
The first species was worm and worm was the ancestor of the creatures so I can call the worm as my grandfather.

To windweaver
(Has the world gone mad?
Why do so many intelligent posters on this site waste their time debating with this imbecile Wooter???????)

Windweaver is spotted in right here:
3.Mocking and teasing is the best ace card for insulters.


To epeeist again

Okay one question:
What is happening to those people died in flood or other disasters?

EnglishBrian
(Otherwise the analogy sucks).

Do you want me to spot your level or you can find it yourself.?

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Comment #144503 by clearmind on March 16, 2008 at 8:58 am

To: tstinchcombe

When some mules carry some heavy books do not mean that they are capable of what they can express clearly because they carry some books.

I was planning something to discuss seriously but there you go, you started it again.

Thank you very much your effort to comment or I would say, insult in your own delicate way. Let me clear something first:
Why do people try to insult?

1.They are angry
2.they are angry so they want to et revenge
3.They feel really desperate and frustrated, then, insulting make them relax and feel better.
Insulting comes out in different forms

1.Trying to make himself and others believe that his rival's ideas are wrong by trying to belittle his ideas
2.Trying to make himself and others believe that his rival's educational background is not enough him/ evolution
3.Mocking and teasing is the best ace card for insulters.
4. Swearing is the lowest degree of insulting which explicitly shows the insulter is losing it.

Since I started writing on this web page, I never insulted anyone directly or knowingly. My answers are all based on logic which caused the debate to start. Copy and paste ones are the scientific proofs and wiki quotations are the ones to make some of the guys understand what analogy is since they keep writing me paintings do no multiply or do not have offspring.

I wrote more than 200 pages answers in English and still you are saying:

(is incapable of recognising when they are so out of their depth. (Though having said that, I've seen first-hand how someone with a degree from a middle-eastern establishment has struggled because that degree was clearly well below the UK first-degree level.)

I have to locate you on the second level of insulting. No further comment, honour.

Ah! Vanitas Vanitatum! Which of us is happy in this world? Which of us has his desire? or, having it, is satisfied? Come, children, let us shut up the box and the puppets, for our play is played out.