201. [UPDATED] Richard Dawkins on Harun Yahya's Atlas of Creation

Comment #266284 by hawt4dawk on October 18, 2008 at 2:37 pm

Draka -- Don't worry. :) Intelligent people won't blame all Turkish people for this weird man or is strange influence. I know some wonderful, beautiful people from Turkey. Welcome to the site if it's your first time!!

202. The Joke's on Him: Bill Maher could use a lesson in civility from Michael Moore

Comment #266204 by hawt4dawk on October 18, 2008 at 10:21 am

Nighthiker -

Critical thinking is the "unnatural" and recently acquired behavior here

I don't agree with you here based on what I've read of studies of hunter/gatherer societies. You can't cooperatively hunt game as a "prehistorical" human without critical thinking faculties. Anthropological studies of hunter/gatherer societies have shown that complex critical thinking skills are evident in hunting and tracking skills, as well as some of the artistic skills, in those societies. Credulity in children helps them survive to adulthood as Richard Dawkins has discussed, but a lot of children grow out of their credulity. So, it becomes a developmental question.

Even the most religious people don't always find themselves able to believe. Mother Theresa had severe doubts and the Church urged her to accept this as evidence that god was really there. The neurological factor comes in repeatedly urging an override in naturally occurring critical faculty. Religious people can think critically. Religions urge them to override those thoughts in order to maintain beliefs and behaviors based on nothing. Repeating behaviors and thoughts entrenches neural pathways. One of the values in therapy and even pharmaceutical therapies is in abandoning harmful thoughts (neural pathways) and establishing new, healthy thinking patterns (neural pathways).

203. [UPDATED] Richard Dawkins on Harun Yahya's Atlas of Creation

Comment #266200 by hawt4dawk on October 18, 2008 at 9:50 am

Max D: I guess that fellow will take the 1959 vaccinne then.

Also, haven't transitional creatures been making the news a lot lately or am I confused?

Also, I'd like to note about Daabah's post on anger revealing that your viewpoint is weak, I found 47 pages of links on Google when I typed in "Muslims angered", but what's the point in pointing that out?

I liked Hellene's and Corylus's attempts to reach Daabah. It sounds like Oktar is Muslim similar to Christian cult leaders like Jim Jones and David Koresh. It's is sad that some humans give over to that kind of cult of personality.

The jokes about sandwiches and "diet of worms" had me laughing though.

edit -- after reading a little more about "Harun Yayha" who is apparently terribly seedy character on a par with a member of the mafia or yakuza or religious cult leaders, as I mentioned above, I wonder why Richard Dawkins has chosen to address him. Is it because of his alleged association with organized Christian creationist groups?

edit -- Billy Sands, I've read that Muslims do not appreciate Adnan Oktar as he supposedly doesn't really know anything about Islam, Sharia, nor does he speak anything but Turkish. He is reported not to even speak Arabic. I don't know if that is true, but it seems that he is no more an average Muslim than David Koresh was an average Christian. In fact, he may know much less about the Koran and Hadith than Koresh knew about the bible.

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Comment #266191 by hawt4dawk on October 18, 2008 at 9:34 am

Bonzai -- I agree with your post and your viewpoint on how Canadians or Europeans would rate the conservative nature of the candidates was really interesting. I'm glad to have access to those viewpoints via the internet. One thing I don't like about the U.S. is how U.S.-centric all the opinion, education and news is. I didn't really realize the effect until after 9-11. One day right after 9-11 I was walking downtown in the city I was living in at the time and I found myself wincing and feeling anxious as an airplane flew past a skyscraper. I looked around me at the people on the street and thought, "We're Americans. How weird." Shortly after that we moved to Japan and then I really saw the U.S. as a player on the world stage and realized that it, for the most part, had been the whole stage for most of my life. Once back inside the U.S. it closes around you and becomes the world again except for news reports about distant happenings on the periphery of existence. At least, that's my experience. I don't think it's healthy for us.


LGS -- Thanks for your post on insuring children. Too right about all that! It's an outrage that children should go without medical coverage in a civilized nation.

Otherwise this has been a funny thread since last I checked in.

2 (Root2Squared for those not in the know ;) ):

Thanks for posting that John Cleese interview yesterday and Palin clip today. Really enjoyed Cleese's comments.

All the cricket talk and no one has said word one about nibbles! What do you eat when you watch cricket? That's what's important!

I love the Indian accents in 2's clip. Every time I see my (eeny teeny) belly, I hear my friend Mohit's voice saying, "In India, a pot is a jewel!"

Steve is being so funny today. I once had a boyfriend who cried over victories in the Tour de France. It might have had to do with the spandex, but I'll never know for sure.

205. [UPDATED] Richard Dawkins on Harun Yahya's Atlas of Creation

Comment #265974 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 6:21 pm

Vaal -- Oops. I guess I missed that. Thanks!

Isthatclear -- having fun? Good! Your answers are showing your level of your IQ. Take it easy and go do and have a reasonable sandwich.Good riddance.

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Comment #265907 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 1:44 pm

Frankus -- So sorry to hear about your dog's terrible suffering. Really. And yours and your family's by extension and your loss.

Thanks for your comments. I agree with you on all of it. 'Night.

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Comment #265905 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 1:41 pm

Bonzai!

I was just thinking, "Where is Bonzai when I need him?!"

Anyway, now that you're here I, unfortunately, have to get going.

But indeed, what is so terrible about having a high standard of living for everyone!!? When I looked at JC's link I thought, "So what's wrong with universal health care for children for everyone?"

Maybe if Palin was more interested in spreading it...

Oh god, I can't do that..

See ya'll later.

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Comment #265896 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 1:31 pm

oooooooooooohhhhhhhh! terrible!

but that is funny :)


edit

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Comment #265894 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 1:28 pm

JC -- sorry for lumping you in with DP. edit -- I am very glad that you were able to get out of the trap.

From what I've read the case against welfare itself and the description of "handouts" is wrong. I think the thing that I find so upsetting is that welfare is for children essentially. It is so people can feed their children better nutrition. If you don't get good nutrition as a child there are cognitive deficits that's been proven. Then you will be a burden to society -- a society that gives a rat's whisker anyway. It used to be called AFDC Assistance for Dependent Children. Now is it called TANF - Temporary Assistance for Needy Families. People try to frame welfare issues as if it is a cash check to some individual person who doesn't want to work.

If you want to talk about preventing welfare vendor fraud or failed public housing issues, that's different, but when people start attacking poor people's ability to get food stamps or WIC, as you mentioned, what they are talking about is harming and trapping children and to me that is a heartless and insane public policy.

210. Faith Attack

Comment #265885 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 1:09 pm

I guess if you teach children they can go to hell and suffer in torment for eternity or that if they go to heaven it is likely that one of their loved ones, whom they will never see again for eternity, will suffer torment.. that's much better!

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Comment #265869 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 12:31 pm

Thanks, Decius. Will check it out.

EDIT - Replied.

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Comment #265868 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 12:30 pm

Well, JC, my experience growing up with my single mother, who also had some serious health problems, is that when you live close to the edge you end up in trouble again. My mother worked like dog, often with more than one job, but when your finances are tight how are you gonna be able for afford to fix the transmission for your car when it goes and still be able to pay your rent? Guess what you're not and even bus passes are quite expensive if you're poor. It can mean that, if you can't drive the car, you have to take an additional two-four hours taking the bus to and from your job, which if you're female and live in a bad neighborhood means standing at the bus stop early in the am and late in the day and makes you more vulnerable to crime. It means you can go work a job like I did some time ago for under $7 an hour and have to take the bus through really bad neighborhoods, having drunk men hit on you, having to move away from gangbangers and crazy people, just to make it to work or home safely 10 trips a week, and still have to borrow money from friends to move into a single apartment in a bad neighborhood that has roaches and rats and druggie neighbors. The stress of being poor is incredible and stress can lead to break down in your health and getting ill causes you to lose time off work and if you don't work you don't get paid and if you don't get paid you can't pay your rent. It goes on and on and grinds people down. We got out because our family wasn't inter-generationally poor, so we had a clue what it would look like and how to go about it. Some people don't have role models as Caudimordax pointed out. My grandparents took us in when things got particularly bad, too.

So it is not surprising to me that poor people go on and off the welfare rolls. This is not an easy country to make it in no matter how hard you work and I do not begrudge people the help. It has nothing to do with "keeping people poor so they'll vote Democrat" as DP so absurdly suggested. It has everything to do with a sense of justice, fair play and compassion.

JC -- I can see that you are not the same as DP. I would agree with you that we can find more effective means of combatting poverty in this country, however, one of the first ways to get started is to stop repeating welfare misinformation.

But all the things that I've previously posted show that it is children, poor children, who benefit most from welfare and it only takes 1% of the federal budget.

I knew one of you guys would hunt through my sources and pick out the one or two details that you thought would support your case for how the whole system is screwed up and has to go. I just thought it would be DP rather than you.

edited

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Comment #265863 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Caudimordax - If wages continue to be low, inflation keeps increasing, and federal funds are cut for low-interest loans for college (so they could earn higher wages), they won't get out of the poverty trap.

The thing is people who are against welfare are frequently also against raising minimum wage.

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Comment #265854 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 11:52 am

Decius -- Hilarious! I can only imagine how Oystein noticed that he lost his morals. Would love to see a video of his debating skills. He must have learned this style of debate (barking his arse off) from the theologians themselves. I saw a couple religion heads barking nonsensically on the Yahya thread today!

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Comment #265847 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 11:30 am

Okay time to trot out the welfare myths info.

Please check on the link for details about each fact.

http://www.apa.org/pi/wpo/myths.html




***
Myth: Poverty Results From a Lack of Responsibility

Fact: Poverty Results From Low Wages

***
Myth: A Huge Chunk of My Tax Dollars Supports Welfare Recipients

Fact: Welfare Costs 1 Percent of the Federal Budget

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Myth: People on Welfare Become Permanently Dependent on the Support

Fact: Movement off Welfare Rolls Is Frequent

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Myth: Most Welfare Recipients Are African American Women

Fact: Most Welfare Recipients Are Children-Most Women on Welfare Are White

***
Myth: Welfare Encourages Out-of- Wedlock Births and Large Families

Fact: The Average Welfare Family Is No Bigger Than the Average Nonwelfare Family

***
Myth: Welfare Families Use Their Benefits to Fund Extravagance

Fact: Welfare Families Live Far Below the Poverty Line

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Comment #265845 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 11:19 am

Decius - How is Jackass Dr Div or.. what do you actually call him? Is he a good boy since he devoured a theology text?

217. [UPDATED] Richard Dawkins on Harun Yahya's Atlas of Creation

Comment #265840 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 11:07 am

Comment #265657 by daabbah on October 17, 2008 at 7:12 am

daabbah

Could you provide a link or a date on the Jerry Coyne quote? I found the following from 2007, which indicates that he very much supports the fact of evolution.


Written by Jerry Coyne:

Yet something like this happened a week ago during the Republican presidential debate. When the moderator asked nine candidates to raise their hands if they "didn't believe in evolution," three hands went into the air�"those of Senator Sam Brownback, Governor Mike Huckabee, and Representative Tom Tancredo. Although I am a biologist who has found himself battling creationism frequently throughout his professional life, I was still mortified. Because there is just as much evidence for the fact of evolution as there is for the existence of atoms, anyone raising his hand must have been grossly misinformed.

I don't know whether to attribute the show of hands to the candidates' ignorance of the mountain of evidence for evolution, or to a cynical desire to pander to a public that largely rejects evolution (more than half of Americans do). But I do know that it means that our country is in trouble. As science becomes more and more important in dealing with the world's problems, Americans are falling farther and farther behind in scientific literacy. Among citizens of industrialized nations, Americans rank near the bottom in their understanding of math and science. Over half of all Americans don't know that the Earth orbits the Sun once a year, and nearly half think that humans once lived, Flintstone-like, alongside dinosaurs.

HERE IS LINK

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Comment #265830 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:44 am

You, too, Skylark!

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Comment #265828 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:39 am

Al - My son just saw your avatar and cracked up.

My only concern about a dog is that they are pack animals and many get lonely and anxious (and thus destructive or bark constantly) when left alone so you might want to think about that. There is doggy TV now, but maybe a companion dog is in order, too. Just do your research 'cause it will really hurt to give the dog up if it's not working out. Dogs are awesome though worth problem-solving for, I think.

Sorry to hear about your doggy, Gregg. I lost my dog when he was 12 and it was terrible heartbreak for me.

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Comment #265808 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:21 am

Al -

Sorry for the deletes... here is is again

http://www.pbrc.net/

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Comment #265801 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:13 am

Al -- Do you like to get up at six a.m. to go for walkies? I don't know much about pit bulls. You hear that they're dangerous and you hear that that's a myth.

OOPS...

How to you get a long link in?

EDIT -- do you think you could handle it even if it turns out to be a dogged darwinspitbull? ;)

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Comment #265796 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:06 am

Gregg -- you're welcome and besides this thread clearly needs a feline goddess!

edited to remove bizarre mistake!

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Comment #265795 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 10:04 am

JC & DP:

The constitution doesn't forbid us from making laws or constructing public policy for the common good! If anything the framers of the constitution expected that legislation would serve that purpose.

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Comment #265793 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:59 am

Maggie's purr-ty.

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Comment #265785 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:40 am

Wow. YUM! Those are not mere snacks! It's a banquet. You are in TX right? "They make 'em big in Texas." Ever hear that joke? It's my favorite from sixth grade. :D I miss good Tex-Mex, too. Oh, for sad! :( Oh, now I am sad!

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Comment #265772 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:19 am

We use a spray bottle and give Oliver a squirt when he gets up to mischief. It doesn't hurt him and he learns from when we're consistent.

I am never interested in the games, but I always want to know what people plan to snack on for some reason. So, what do you guys have for snacks during the game?

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Comment #265760 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:04 am

DAMN THEIR BLACK HEARTS!!! *sorry, just mentioning them caused my caps lock to activate*

HAHAHAHAHAHA! SERIOUSLY.

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Comment #265758 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:02 am

cool to have brought up Terry Pratchett and a Tolkien reference in one thread, IMO.

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Comment #265757 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:02 am

for the great idea. You are so

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Comment #265756 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 9:02 am

Thanks, Tail... I mean, Caudi

231. The Joke's on Him: Bill Maher could use a lesson in civility from Michael Moore

Comment #265751 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 8:58 am

Maher stands in the midst of rubble in Megiddo, the hillside in Israel that the book of Revelation calls Armageddon, and consigns humanity and the planet to destruction either from nuclear weapons or ecological disaster if silly people do not cease their demented belief in divinity.

Um..


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple#Fundamentalist_Christian_view

the Third Temple will be rebuilt when the Anti-Christ, often identified as the political leader of a trans-national alliance such as the European Union or the United Nations, secures a peace treaty between the modern nation of Israel and its Muslim neighbors following a war in which Russia and the United States are destroyed or crippled as the result of a nuclear war and/or the Rapture.

Why would there be a war? Could it be that the Temple couldn't be rebuilt without removing the Dome of the Rock which is built over complex of the old Temple ruins and which site is one of the most holy to Muslims?

Iran is trying to supposedly gain nuclear capability and Israel already has it and the United States is Israel's main ally and

Briefly stated, Christian Zionism is a movement within Protestant fundamentalism that sees the modern state of Israel as the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and thus deserving of political, financial and religious support. Christian Zionists work closely with the Israeli government, religious and secular Jewish Zionist organizations, and are particularly empowered during periods when the more conservative Likud Party is in control of the Knesset.

http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/Christianity/2002/06/The-Rapture-Factor.aspx

Is the joke on this movie reviewer? Nah! It must be the ironic rantings of a ridiculous, narcissistic atheistic second-rate comedian making preposterous and incorrect assertions about religious people, because faith is:

the most powerful and meaningful force in the history of human existence

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Comment #265704 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 8:13 am

Oh, well, if Skylark wills it, consider it done! :)

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Comment #265696 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 8:07 am

I thought some of you might be interested in taking a look at the Historical Developmemt of Social Welfare in the US.

http://74.125.45.104/search?q=cache:x04AsfKSNAMJ:www.ssa.gov/history/pdf/histdev.pdf History of social welfare US&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a

This is the first paragraph:

The U.S. social welfare structure has been shaped both by long standing traditions and by changing economic and social conditions. In its early history, the United States was an expanding country with a vast frontier and a predominantly agricultural economy. Up to 1870, more than half the Nation's adult workers
were farmers. In the years that followed, however, industry devel­oped rapidly and the economy tended increasingly to be charac­
terized by industrialization, specialization, and urbanization. The result was a Nation of more employees who were dependent on a continuing flow of money income to provide for themselves and
their families.

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Comment #265685 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 7:48 am

Tez - I'm chuckling at your jokes and they're making me hungry. I love apple pie.

Is it you who has a yen to keep this thread alive to 10K?

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Comment #265670 by hawt4dawk on October 17, 2008 at 7:21 am

2 -- Thanks! I like digging up info. Yesterday I dug up a PDF that addresses a whole raft of welfare myths, but I didn't have time to post that and the other thing.

Goldy -- can you recommend a good pear cider?

As for the sports talk **nods off, wakes with a start** real men play Aussie Rules and they look good in those tight little shorts, too. Something for everyone!

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Comment #265372 by hawt4dawk on October 16, 2008 at 2:28 pm

**waves back** WP, have a great time. We'll have some laughs when you get back.

Caudi -- thx. I didn't realize there was a reference. I just thought it sounded cool. But I love Terry Pratchett, so I'm happy to know that.

J.C. -- yeah that was nonworking people above the age of 15 and I think it was a sample size of 17,000 in the survey. I could post the PDF if anyone is really interested.

Diacanu -- I wonder if some of this ideology comes from the huge "get rich" industry

http://www.amazon.com/Trump-How-Rich-Donald-J/dp/1400063272

http://www.richdad.com/

etc.

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Comment #265325 by hawt4dawk on October 16, 2008 at 12:58 pm

I laughed when I read these classic RDnet moments...

2: Daddies all the way down?

A-R: *facepalm*

WP: Eh wrong.

:)

DP - Last night I checked in and even felt sort of fond of you for having a sense of humor and perseverance, however, today not so much.

Today you're letting good arguments bead up and evaporate off your armor.

It's scary to think there are real reasons why people can't manage on their own, but there are and they sometimes need help and the government can be an effective way to deal with it.

Here is a conservative, Michael Gerson, who makes a point about that regarding Fred Thompson's ideas that Christians should privately help AIDS victims in Africa instead of using the government to do it.

This ignores centuries of reflection on the words of the Bible that have led to a nearly universal Christian conviction that government has obligations to help the weak and pursue social justice. Religious social reformers fought to end child labor and improve public health. It is hard to imagine they would have used the teachings of Christ to justify cutting off lifesaving drugs for tens of thousands of African children -- an argument both novel and obscene.

So if Christians and non-Christians alike are fighting to improve public health and end poverty, whose teachings are we hearing that "life is tough" and the government shouldn't be used to help people?

Whose teachings, DP?

Caudi -- I read it! Good link! I've read Nickeled and Dimed, too.

But since i did do a little research, and found this from a PDF by the a 2004 report by US Census Bureau and US Dept of Commerce. I did find out that the reasons for not working in 2004 were

retired 37.9%
going to school 19.1%
chronic illness/disability 14.7%
caregiver w/dependents 13.2%
unable to find work 4%
not interested in working 3.6%
other 2.9%
on lay off 1.7%
temporary illness 1.7%
pregnancy/childbirth .8%

Apparently a very small number of people choose not to work and a fair number of them are young men who live with their parents and are not dependent on the government. I think we are actually talking about funding for the permanently disabled, ill, elderly, mentally ill, etc.

According to the National Priorities Project, if you paid $6000 in taxes this is the breakdown:

$2,520 goes to Past and Current Military
$1,320 goes to Health
$600 goes to Interest on Non-Military Debt
$540 goes to Anti-Poverty Programs
$240 goes to Education, Training & Social Services
$240 goes to Government & Law Enforcement
$180 goes to Housing & Community Development
$180 goes to Environment, Energy & Science
$120 goes to Agriculture, Commerce and Transportation
$60 goes to International Relations


http://www.nationalpriorities.org/taxchart2008/6000

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Comment #264886 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 11:30 am

TWP

Oh well that clears is up. I was disappointed. Lets cut up today to make up for lost time. :)

I'd love to. :) However, today I have to leave for my class early and my son just flooded the downstairs neighor by going crazy in his bath. I thought I mopped it up in time, but... (!) **swipes forehead**

Let's get to it soon in any case. :)

EDIT --

NJWONG -- Thanks for the PDF!

EDIT AGAIN

I have to go now. See you guys later.

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Comment #264876 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 11:02 am

WP --

Oh yeah Ms.H4D, I received a PM from you but in my inbox it said "Deleted my sender after message was sent". :( That's the equivalent of someone saying "I have something to tell you. Oh wait nevermind I can't"

Oh, sorry. It was a follow up to my "I hope you're okay" PM, which you replied to. It sat in my outbox for so long, I thought you weren't coming back so I deleted it. I don't remember what it said, probably just that I missed cutting up with you. :)


EDIT

NJWONG - thanks for that Nobel Laureate link. Interesting!

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Comment #264875 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 10:58 am

DP

The phone call that Michelle Obama placed to them, which they are quoting, will be released soon. So if you don't believe the article then you will be able to hear her say those things.

I find it wrong that she thinks anyone who questions her husband is a racist. You can't be opposed to Obama because you disagree with his politics or associations, you are only opposed because you are a racist. She apparently finds it wrong if people report negative things about her husband because you shouldn't question him. Which I can understand because that is her husband, but to call people racist is just wrong.

Does she refer to everyone who criticizes her husband as a racist? Do you think there is any truth that some of the people campaigning against him have racist motives?

Anyway, I look forward to hearing the call. Maybe she made the call and maybe voice samples will be used to disprove it was her.


Corsi, btw, is the guy who wrote the big selling, but mostly a-factual smear book Obamanation.

This is a link to info on Corsi.

DP -- Do you enjoy this (following) type of talk? I don't.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200408060010

Following are some examples. [Spelling and punctuation are Corsi's own.]

On Catholics and the Pope

CORSI: Maybe while he's there he can tell the UN what he's going to do about the sexual crimes committed by "priests" in his "Church" during his tenure. Or, maybe that's the connection -- boy buggering in both Islam and Catholicism is okay with the Pope as long as it isn't reported by the liberal press. (03/03/2003)

CORSI: So this is what the last days of the Catholic Church are going to look like. Buggering boys undermines the moral base and the laywers rip the gold off the Vatican altars. We may get one more Pope, when this senile one dies, but that's probably about it. (12/16/2002)

On Islam and Arabs

CORSI: Let's see exactly why it isn't the case that Islam is a worthless, dangerous Satanic religion? Where's the proof to the contrary? (04/24/2004)

CORSI: Islam is like a virus -- it affects the mind -- maybe even better as an analogy -- it is a cancer that destroys the body it infects... No doctor would hesitate to eliminate cancer cells from the body. (11/26/02)

CORSI: Islam is a peaceful religion as long as the women are beaten, the boys buggered, and the infidels killed. (11/22/2002)

CORSI: How's this as an analogy -- the Koran is simply the "software" for producing deviant cancer cell political behavior and violence in human beings. (02/15/2002)

CORSI: Think the liberal press will ever let out that these 2 were lovers -- typical Islamic boy-buggering -- older man, younger man -- black Muslims? I doubt it. Not a pretty picture, but one certain to be hidden by PC media. (11/08/2002)

CORSI: Isn't the Democratic Party the official SODOMIZER PROTECTION ASSOCIATION of AMERICA -- oh, I forgot, it was just an accident that Clintoon's first act in office was to promote "gays in the military." RAGHEADS are Boy-Bumpers as clearly as they are Women-Haters -- it all goes together. (11/18/2001)

On Senator John Kerry

CORSI: First let's undermine the US in Vietnam. Then we can go for gay marriage. When you get to be Pres. JFK-lite, there will be no end to how much of America we can destroy. (05/17/2004)

CORSI: Just don't let anybody put a tablet with the Ten Commandments in front of the school where that girl wants to wear a Muslim scarf -- OH, No --- then the RATS would complain. Anti-Christian, Anti-American -- just like their Presidential Candidate -- Jean Francois Kerrie. (03/31/2004)

CORSI: After he married TerRAHsa, didn't John Kerry begin practicing Judiasm? He also has paternal gradparents that were Jewish. What religion is John Kerry? (03/04/2004)

CORSI: Kerry has a long history of Communist supporters. (03/12/2004)

CORSI: Kerry offers a clear choice. Anti-American hatred. (02/08/2004)

CORSI: John F*ing Commie Kerry and Commie Ted [Kennedy] discuss their plan to hand America over to our nation's enemies. (02/04/2004)

On former President Bill Clinton

CORSI: When is this guy going to admit he's simply an anti-American communist? Won't he and his leftist wife simply go away???? Enough already. (02/24/2002)

CORSI: Hey, Bill, didn't you steal enough when you had the chance? (02/15/2002)

CORSI: Clinton doesn't get it. Afganistan, and other Moslim countries, are not poor because they lack money. The culture itself is anti-modern. But then, maybe Slick did get it and he just wants to create another bork barrel from which he and his wife can draw slop. (02/15/2002)

CORSI: Clinton was more interested in gays in the military than going after OBL. Clinton had Janet Rhino pushing the FBI to deport a child to Castro's nondemocratic Cuba, not searching out OBL sleepers in the USA. Clinton was too busy getting BJs in the Oval Office to do more than Wag the Dog after the Cole was hit. (05/16/2002)

On Senator Hillary Clinton

CORSI: HELL-ary loves the Arabs so much (kiss, kiss Mrs. Arab*RAT) -- wonder how she would look in a Burkha? (05/21/2002)

CORSI: Mullah Ali'Gore-ah is very proud of his new Bin Laden beard and he hopes others in the Democratic Party will follow his lead. Hell-ary is disappointed she cannot grow a beard, but her press secretary reminds us she can still enroll in flight school. (01/07/02)

CORSI: Let the FAT HOG run!!! [regarding a possible presidential bid] (08/30/2003)

CORSI: Hellary should resign and go away. What ever happened to the people she ran over with her car at Westchester Airport? Can't anybody sue this b*tch? (11/17/2002)

CORSI: Anybody ask why HELLary couldn't keep BJ Bill satisfied? Not lesbo or anything, is she? (06/08/2003)

On Chelsea Clinton

CORSI: According to Talk Magazine, Chubby Chelsea had a very great adventure on 9/11 in NYC and Hell-ary had the details wrong -- oh, it was terrible. (12/07/2001)

CORSI: Did the Journalist see Chubbie Chelsea among the wives. Little Katie Communist [Katie Couric] on the NBC Today show interviewed Hillary this morning and mom is worried sick about Chelsea. She was last seen in Kandahar at a Starbucks. But now, as Little Katie Communist sighed, "Who Knows?" Even British disinformation planted reports such as this grocery crap will be useful. Anyone with information about Chubbie Chelsea's whereabouts should post it now. Mom wants to know her daughter is out of harms way. Mom also wants to be at the center of the story. (11/29/2001)

CORSI: But the real question is: WHERE IS CHUBBIE CHELSEA? Is she in Kabul in danger, looking for a Starbucks? Waldo wants to know. Please, Little Katie Communist, HELP US FIND CHELSEA. THE SITUATION MAY BE URGENT. (11/29/2001)

CORSI: HILLARY SAYS CHELSEA IS MISSING AND JANET RHINO DOESN'T KNOW WHERE SHE IS? (11/28/2001)

On former Vice President Al Gore

CORSI: Gore isn't available for television. He is growing his regulation length Bin Laden beard. Mullah Ali'Gore-ah, as he now wishes to be called, is focused on his new career as a pilot. "Want to fly like bird," he says after his stint as a professor at Columbia. "No need to learn take-off or landing, just soar like bird and look at buildings." As to Florida, Mulllah Gore-ah says, "No big buildings," dismissing the importance of the state to his future plans." (12/15/2001)

On the Media

CORSI: Time to FREEP Chris Matthews of MSNBC. MSNBC is beginning to stand for "More Sh*t, Nothing But Communism." (05/16/2002)

CORSI: I didn't realize Little Katie Communist of the NBC Today Show knew how to hack a website. Finally something impressive from the little wimp. [responding to news that USA Today's website had been hacked and that the hackers were mocking President George W. Bush's Christianity] (07/12/2002)

CORSI: COMMUNISM -- it's simple NBC = NOTHING BUT COMMUNISM. (04/19/2004)

CORSI: Susan Estrogen -- even the voice grates. But then with supporters like her and Ted Kennedy, who needs enemies. Let Susan BLAH BLAH screatch -- only Chrissy Matthews whines better. (04/13/2004)

Assorted

CORSI: Perfect Liberal -- lesbian, self-absorbed, hates America, anxious to impose her values on everybody else. [on Martina Navratilova] (06/26/2002)

CORSI: And now we get Pooh-LEFTY pushed on us by the RATS as Minority Leader in the House -- here come the SanFrancisco liberals -- hope the RATS go back to focusing the debate on gay marriages and other pro-choice topics close to Pelosi's heart. (11/18/2002)

CORSI: Too bad the plane didn't crash into the TV set of the NBC show "THE LEFT WING" -- especially when Martin Sheen was "acting." (06/07/2003)

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Comment #264870 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 10:43 am

Correction to my post to you, DP. API is African Press International an online news channel. I was mistaking it for AP (Associated Press), still they are incorrect that invitations are given out to inaugural events, because the media has to apply for press passes and prove their credentials.


Oddly, African Press International is based in Norway and there is no list of editors on the site that I could find.

Hmm. Another interesting thing about the source DP provided WND news is "WND senior staff writer Jerry Corsi" as seen on API's site.

http://africanpress.wordpress.com/2008/10/14/corsi-falls-ill-after-kenya-caper-getting-ill-after-visiting-obamas-second-home/

Corsi probably hasn't been arrested at all. This is elaborate smear-work. Someone has gone to an awful lot of trouble and if you have to go to this much trouble -- setting up false news sites for interest -- it is actually reassuring, because it means there isn't much real dirt to dig up!

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Comment #264862 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 10:21 am

Nancy Reagan wielded a powerful influence over President Reagan.[95] Again stemming from the assassination attempt, she strictly controlled access to the president and even occasionally attempted to influence her husband's decision making.[95][96] She wrote in her memoirs, "I don't think I was as bad, or as extreme in my power or my weakness, as I was depicted,"[97] but went on, "[H]owever the first lady fits in, she has a unique and important role to play in looking after her husband. And it's only natural that she'll let him know what she thinks. I always did that for Ronnie, and I always will."[98]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Reagan#cite_note-97

DP -- Please don't think that I am just mindlessly supporting Obama. I have questions and doubts about him that have rather more do with him not being distinguishable enough from McCain as opposed to your doubts about him. I am sure he will do alright though. I would rather have him that McCain for many reasons and none of them are emotional or out of loyalty to any party.

But your source here on the Michelle Obama link, DP, I don't trust it because it's not a really good source. It doesn't pretend to print the truth in an unbiased way if an ad for Corsi's book appears in the middle of the article.

Secondly, API is a newswire and the inauguration is not a private event that the press gets invited to if they curry favor, so that is clearly yellow journalism http://library.thinkquest.org/C0111500/spanamer/yellow.htm right there.

http://inaugural.senate.gov/media/

The African-American experience in society is quite different than the white experience. Racial hatred, racial prejudice, conscious or not, the history of inequality plays a huge part in how the black American experiences life and it seems that if you don't, at least, have a clue about that, you can easily misunderstand where they are coming from on some of these things.

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Comment #264849 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:48 am

Caudi -- glad I overlooked the carpet!

I can hardly imagine what else could be added!

Me either! **laughs**

"Oh, here are the nuke-yoo-lar codes!"

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Comment #264846 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:46 am

Tez - it has sound so maybe not. It's not dirty or anything unless you count subtext for drill baby drill.

Battery acid got on you?! I think I missed that part. Yikes! You are lucky you didn't get little holes in yourself!

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Comment #264843 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:44 am

Al --

Actually, in a number of Muslim states gang rape is an acceptable punishment for dishonor.

Yeah and when that's not the actual punishment, there are places where you get publicly lashed for having gotten raped in the first place.

I see I am going to have to post more cute pictures!

Sev - mind your coffee now.

http://picasaweb.google.com/lilbrownkit/LOlCatFaves#

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Comment #264841 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:38 am

Caudi (mind if I call you that?)

Jeez! I noticed how yucky I felt just seeing her sit there. Did you click on her desk, click the red phone?

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Comment #264833 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:26 am

Tez -- ha ha, skunk visit. That's a hard smell to get rid of! One time I passed one on foot that had been hit by a car and killed and I had to run away because the smell was making me wretch. But my gagging was making such a funny sound I'd never heard myself make before that I was running and laughing and gagging simultaneously.

Yeah, I figured the hunters out there would make jokes, but it is still awwww for me all the way. I have a house rabbit. I do not recommend them as pets, btw, but they have a lot more emotional depth than you might expect.

Sev -- part of why I was sighing pleasantly over RD is because I just watched his video over on that thread, too. I wish there were a million of him.

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Comment #264826 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:14 am

One more quick comment, Tez, your dad is right that there were soldiers who felt they had to fire on the people in their own company to stop them from going crazy.So much of that war, in particular, was just heartrending.

I just remembered I saw "Jacob's Ladder" as well, although that was meant to be more metaphorical and "artsy."

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Comment #264820 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 9:08 am

Tez - Timed-out - the bane of RDnet existence!

Yeah, just came up with those quickly. I didn't see the movie you've mentioned. I've only watched Apocalypse Now, Platoon, Thin Red Line... maybe some others that escape my recall.

Al - Good point. It's not because we CAN but because we CHOOSE to make it illegal and to prosecute rapists. There are plenty of societies out there right now that do not choose to punish men who rape either in law or in actuality.

Sev - Sorry! I haven't read a lot of this thread since I left, just a bit here and there. I didn't know Professor Delightful had been by! :-) **pleasant sigh**

Anyway, here're some cute pics to make up for it and try to set the tone right again ^-^ (I didn't take these by the way, someone forwarded them to me.)


http://picasaweb.google.com/lilbrownkit/DeerRabbitPics#

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Comment #264799 by hawt4dawk on October 15, 2008 at 8:25 am

6645. Comment #264782 Al-Rawandi

Are you saying rape is a uniquely American phenomenon?

No, of course not! Tez asked for info about U.S. troops in Vietnam 'cause his dad was in 'Nam, so I gave him some info.

Rape is a common method of copulation in primates... baboons, chimps, etc..

I know rape is fairly common in some primates as well. It's a major biological strategy for juvenile orangutans, for instance. Also, I've seen a wombat or wolverine do that in a nature documentary. Highly unpleasant. And domestic cat sex is pretty awful as well. :P

Still, humans are far more psychologically complex and mostly able to control their sexual and violent impulses, so that's why there are laws against it.