251. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #204885 by BillySands on July 6, 2008 at 4:31 am

Clearmind, your analogy is trying to show that the universe has a creator. You are trying to show this by asking us to consider things we know to be designed, like houses or tables, then asking us to agree that the universe has been designed and therefore there must be a designer. But there is no reason to think the universe has been designed. There's no designer to be seen. No evidence of design.

You have to laugh haven't you. What muppet boy also fails to pick up on (as they all do) is that man made designs dont have children and pass on their mutations. I yhink he is beyond help. If I get his Da Vinci point, he is saying that it is his god because it just is and he does not need evidence, he just knows.

Ha Ha ha ha ha ha ha ad et infinitum...

252. Prayer refusal pupils 'disciplined'

Comment #204881 by BillySands on July 6, 2008 at 4:19 am

She added: "My child has been forced to pray to Allah in a school lesson."

I wonder if David Robertson has a problem with that?

253. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #204539 by BillySands on July 5, 2008 at 6:25 am

given the opportunity, would anyone ordinarily choose to have a random genetic mutation induced in their unborn baby? Why in the world, then, do people ordinarily choose to believe that the exact same mechanism has built every beneficial feature of every bodily organ of every life form on earth?

I'm not going to reply directly to the fucktard, but this is beyond belief. I point and laugh at this twat!

254. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #204042 by BillySands on July 4, 2008 at 4:13 am

As regards the question of why the article was posted here perhaps you can enlighten me? Maybe there is a burning interest in Dundee on RD net or just maybe this was seen as another opportunity to remind the followers how Islam is stupid/evil and therefore all religion is stupid/evil?

So, you would rather hide this from the world the way you took offence at god hates the world http://richarddawkins.net/article,1326,God-Hates-the-World,Westboro-Baptist-Church#51894

Oh I get it, you want to lie and pretend that your religion is good and that these things dont go on in the nane of religion. You are not only lying to us, but to yourself as well!

255. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203962 by BillySands on July 4, 2008 at 1:40 am

David,
Have you ever asked your neighbours about Mohammed Shagging a 9 year old? I remember you ranting about paedophilia in the past, but went all quiet when I asked you what age Mary was.

256. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203516 by BillySands on July 3, 2008 at 4:10 am

Here you go:

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2004/12/a_charming_email.php

Love the Milli Hovinds scale

257. Muslims outraged at police advert featuring cute puppy sitting in policeman's hat

Comment #203463 by BillySands on July 3, 2008 at 1:29 am

What is it about Dundee and nut jobs?

258. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #202915 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 6:28 am

And yet Jesus was supposedly celibate! Talk about mixed messages.....

Not according to the secret gospel of Mark where he was fond of having naked young men share his bed

259. Can't Darwin and God get along?

Comment #202914 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 6:24 am

Hard man, are you?

My gran's last bout of diarrhea was harder than him!

260. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #202834 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 3:39 am

Who would win between touche turtle and Epeeist? Bob can be dum dum

261. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #202822 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 3:24 am

It is a 30 second clip. What is all the fuss about.For atheists you lot worship RD a lot.

I think you will find a few folk have criticised his performance. From your other comments, are you a trojan fundie?

Shame on you. The world need fixing and you lot are discussing a 30 second clip. This is my 3de post on this site and also my last.I have work to do!!!!

Yet here you are commenting on it when the world needs fixing

262. Can't Darwin and God get along?

Comment #202819 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 3:18 am

No, Coral snakes easily outdo land snakes.

I thought it was the Fierce snake - then, maybe that's the most venomous land snake.

If some of these fundies would only grow some balls and take the challenge, we could settle this. Isn't science so much better than goddidit at finding things out.

And as for clotting of blood....

Yeah, another place where ID gets trounced. Clotting factors are probably the products of gene duplications and mutation. The system is not even irreducibly complex as some species lack certain factors and their blood still clots

263. Can't Darwin and God get along?

Comment #202795 by BillySands on July 2, 2008 at 2:21 am

I just love Bobby (the helmet's) loving language.

Stick a family of Kraits in your pants, piss them off and I'll consider the possibility that magic exists

264. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #202582 by BillySands on July 1, 2008 at 4:14 pm

I forgot what an idiot oxymoron boy was. Thanks for the advice Richard.

Is there anything we can do to help this person? Call a doctor or something?

265. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #202320 by BillySands on July 1, 2008 at 9:41 am

Btw, I think he has read one book. He doesn't appear to have understood it,

Nah, I doubt it. I think he just looked at the pictures and someone told him what to believe.

266. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #202154 by BillySands on July 1, 2008 at 1:19 am

Vitamin C or D etc.

How like a creationist to choose the worst possible example to make his case!

Humans cant synthesise vitamin C. This is because we have lost the gene for L-gulonolactone oxidase.

It still exists as a non functional pseudogene though - a result of evolutionary heritage, so you were saying?

267. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201864 by BillySands on June 30, 2008 at 10:51 am

When someone unpleasant turns up - it is a good idea to check whether they are an escapee from the...

Pharyngula Dungeon.

I see that he even has a blog.

http://huperborea.blogspot.com/

Nothing worth reading there either.

What makes him think that benevolence should be a quality of god. Why not malevolence.

That's the problem as keeps getting pointed out, no evidence to back up the claims.

268. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201686 by BillySands on June 30, 2008 at 3:56 am

Got your number on your first comment!

Yeah no different to the rest. When someone quotes Tacitus as a source on Jesus, he either has not read it or is not too bright.

Regarding the ontological argument, if god is described as perfect, then surely that is subjective, and the theist who believes that he can not understand the nature of god (Isaiah 55:9) is in no position to comment on what perfection would actually be. Would so called imperfection be able to recognise perfection?
We are supposedly imperfect as we were "created" with qualities lacking in so called perfection (eternal life and the knowledge of good and evil- Which brings us to the fall.......

269. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201642 by BillySands on June 30, 2008 at 1:22 am

Bugger! I missed all the fun. Maybe I'll catch up later

270. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201408 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 4:12 pm

OK, one last one before bed

The Bible is clear in its condemnations of homoeroticism. Those who claim otherwise are engaging in eisegesis, not exegesis, and they haven't a leg on which to stand.

Well, you missed the point: your relational god does relate very well.

Brian, if God was the father, then Jesus could not have been from the line of David...prophesy wrong...

Interesting thing about Davidis that his line should not give rise to Jesus. He has a Moabite ancestor(Ruth) and they may never enter the congregation of God. In fact, on reading this law, all people of mixed moabite ancestry were kicked out (Nehemiah 13:1-3)

271. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201396 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 4:02 pm

We won't. So, why?

Ditto!

I'm off to bed now. I may return to play tomorrow if Bob actually comes up with some substance. So far though, all I am seeing is him just contradicting without evidence.

Maybe someone coul ask him about evolution, sin and the fall. It would actually be nice if a theist could at least attempt an answer - and not run away

272. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201385 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:57 pm

but the transformational aspect is more important

Well, that depends on whether you think the bible says it is OK to be gay or not - and there is a weakness in your argument. Believers cant agree on what is the right way to do anything from how to worship to where to stick your penis and who to invade - and your god is supposedly a relational one!

273. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201372 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:49 pm

I think they are worthy of ridicule.

Yet they are older than the Jesus story and closely resemble it - virgin births, Saviour gods, resurrections, Evil nemesis (set-an)

274. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201367 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:46 pm

Yes, and you were wrong in so writing.

Is that the best you can do? I see no evidence from you that he can be trusted?

275. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201361 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:44 pm

Incidentally, many Protestants would consider me a "heretic" because I reject the doctrine of the trinity.

That's OK, so do we

276. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201356 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:43 pm

Bob O'B, what do you think about teh Horus connection with regards to Jesus? And also the Isis connection?

Or the Attis, Dionysis, Hercules, Krishna (name a pagan deity) connection

277. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201351 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:38 pm

Did I not clearly write that the Greek version has been corrupted?

Did I not clearly write that as has been pointed out, Josephus can not be trusted?

278. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201350 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:36 pm

Re: the Virgin Birth, we humans have been creating them in fertility clinics for, what, the last 30 years or so? Of course, Jesus had to get his Y chromosome from somewhere and Joseph seems like the most likely candidate.

Isaiah 7:14 is a classic shoehorning of jesus into a prophecy. If read in context, it is about a sign for Ahaz relevant to events around 720 BCE.

We also then have matt 1 vs luke 3 on who the father of joseph was (and a few other genealogical and legal problems - like the inclusion of a moabite)

279. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201342 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:31 pm

Nope. 'Tangents' are common in Josephus as well as other ancient historians.

Care to give examples and demonstrate why they are not additions?

Antiquities 18:3

2. But Pilate undertook to bring a current of water to Jerusalem, and did it with the sacred money, and derived the origin of the stream from the distance of two hundred furlongs. However, the Jews (8) were not pleased with what had been done about this water; and many ten thousands of the people got together, and made a clamor against him, and insisted that he should leave off that design. Some of them also used reproaches, and abused the man, as crowds of such people usually do. So he habited a great number of his soldiers in their habit, who carried daggers under their garments, and sent them to a place where they might surround them. So he bid the Jews himself go away; but they boldly casting reproaches upon him, he gave the soldiers that signal which had been beforehand agreed on; who laid upon them much greater blows than Pilate had commanded them, and equally punished those that were tumultuous, and those that were not; nor did they spare them in the least: and since the people were unarmed, and were caught by men prepared for what they were about, there were a great number of them slain by this means, and others of them ran away wounded. And thus an end was put to this sedition.

3. Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure. He drew over to him both many of the Jews and many of the Gentiles. He was [the] Christ. And when Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men amongst us, had condemned him to the cross, (9) those that loved him at the first did not forsake him; for he appeared to them alive again the third day; (10) as the divine prophets had foretold these and ten thousand other wonderful things concerning him. And the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.

4. About the same time also another sad calamity put the Jews into disorder, and certain shameful practices happened about the temple of Isis that was at Rome. I will now first take notice of the wicked attempt about the temple of Isis, and will then give an account of the Jewish affairs.

2 and 4 fit together a lot better with out 3

280. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201329 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:25 pm

If we adopted that naive approach, then we would know next to nothing about the ancient world.

I think we know that for a devout jew to call a man the christ would be considered blasphemous - the crime jesus was allegedly killed for

281. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage

Comment #201322 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:17 pm

Tacitus only mentions the existence of Christians and says where they got their name from. It does not corroborate the cannonical .

As pointed out, Josephus (writing after 90 CE) can not be trusted.
The arabic version is also widely believed to be a rough paraphrasing of Josephus derived from christian sources.
It says nothing of jesus as a miracle performed either. It just reports what his followers believed.

If you also read the passage in context, it seems to disrupt the flow of passages on either side of it.

If someone would alter a historical text, it makes you wonder what they did to the NT (which is full of shoe horned "prophecies")

282. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #201268 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 2:18 pm

I wonder if cretinists will quote mine this?

"Dawkins is so mad he and his type believe the earth has been stolen. Therefore Evilution is false......."

283. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #201117 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 4:56 am

SG,

Does that mean that DR wont take up my suggestion and amalgamate with the catholics, thereby reducing bills. Shame, they could have sold all those spare buildings and helped the poor - then, I'm only an immoral atheist that doesn't understand the petty quarrels of people with make believe friends

284. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #201110 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:55 am

Hi Epeeist,

I'm not aware of specifics other than those that SG has pointed out. However, when is there not trouble amongst believers?

Have you keeping up with the GAFCON business? Let's watch them hang themselves.

On a more amusing note, I saw this today http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2008/06/29/exclusive-love-cheat-priest-joseph-creegan-sues-church-for-unfair-dismissal-78057-20625260/

A priest is going to sue the church for being sacked. He wants a tribunal, but the church are going to argue that he was employed by god and not by them. Wonder how they will get god to appear?

285. Richard Dawkins on Doctor Who

Comment #201103 by BillySands on June 29, 2008 at 3:26 am

Was nice to see Richard on Dr Who last night. I wonder if David Robertson has asked for his autograph yet.

I wonder why they have not made DR a villan on the series. Perhaps his inanity and desire to lead and assimilate everyone into his evil cult is too OTT and unbelievable for a programe that made a vilan out of liquorice allsorts.

286. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #200762 by BillySands on June 28, 2008 at 8:02 am

Having read all the comments now, it never fails to amuse me what a laughing stock Robertson is. The only downer is that he is not the only religiously induced ignoramous in the world.

Its probably another (s)hit and run by him, but he recently said that christians dont believe in indoctrination. How does he explain proverbs 22:6 "Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
"

I wonder if Wee free sunday fundy school discusses whether jesus is the son of god, and whether that god actually exists. Or do they make them sing "yes jesus loves me because the bible tells me so" over and over and over again?

287. A secular world is a sane world

Comment #200697 by BillySands on June 28, 2008 at 5:52 am

But, he doesnt believe it. He's a "pick n mix" man.

Would that not make his word totally worthless then - shockeroonie!


Come on David, we want to hear about the fall - it is something that could be tested and provide that elusive evidence of yours. Surely a genuine truth seeker would not be a lilly livered chicken about the issue.
What if we go to hell because you pushed us away from god - I dont think he would be too happy with you now.

It appears that Robertson is unable to grasp the fact that if we are evolved, this requires death and suffering. So to spell it out to him DEAD THINGS FOUND IN ROCKS OLDER THAN PEOPLE MEAN YOU ARE WRONG!

Did anyone see QI last night. I loved the bit where Steven Fry asked Alan Davis if he had read genesis. He replied that he hadn't. Steven fry then said "You should, it's absolutely hilarious"

288. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200264 by BillySands on June 27, 2008 at 7:56 am

I don't know enough about it but I do not see why it would make one difference to my faith.

WTF?????

How then can you possibly know that? It does make a difference to you because you believe in a literal fall that brought suffering to the world.

So, which are you going to give up? The fall or evolution? What will be your selection criteria? (The bible no doubt)

289. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200222 by BillySands on June 27, 2008 at 5:34 am

Perhaps we should be considering action against 'Clearthinker' under the Trades Description Act - content obviously not conforming to description.

If he was advertising anything else, he would be in trouble.

who says? Given that the number of atheists is a minority of the population why should my tax go to pay for the indoctrination of children into secularism?

So, if for example a large group of christians were to say agree with an Austrian christian who hated jews for example (as many a good christian has), that would make it ok in your book then? 80 million Germans cant be wrong (especially the christians) eh?

Atheists actually make up over a 3rd of your country. The majority religion is the curch of scotland followed by the catholics (and your lot swear their leader is the antichrist) So you are actually in the minority. How many (not including sheep wearing wellie boots - as opposed to the 2 legged ones) does your particular church have?

You could amalgamate with the local catholics and that would be one less building I have to pay the water charges for - idiot!

PS the fall (coward!)

290. Stop distorting young minds!

Comment #200216 by BillySands on June 27, 2008 at 5:21 am

Even by Graylings and Dawkins standards this is a new low. So the C of E and the Baptists are into cannibalism and sexual perversion, believe in aliens coming to earth and always threaten torture?

Hey David, did you hear that Christian Robert Mugabe give the true christian position on gays last night? (oops, I forgot, you are a homophobe too) - Keep up the good work"!

I wonder if David would object to arguments against god being complsory parts of RE in schools - given his unbalanced world view and hatred of anyone that challenges him (and the fact he was not for giving islam an equal crack), I can guess the answer - well, he is a fundamentalist after all.

Care to comment on your idea about sin and natural disasters?

What's that? You dont because it would prove your ignorance beyond a shaddow of a doubt and show us how little regard you actually have for humanity - and you would rather carry on sniffing toilet seats instead?

You can now play the fake outrage card and pretend you have an answer but it is not worth giving us now - boo hooo!

291. Should Strident British Atheist Richard Dawkins Dictate Education Policy to US States? Barbara Forrest Apparently Thinks So

Comment #197112 by BillySands on June 21, 2008 at 6:09 am

Should Strident British Atheist Richard Dawkins Dictate Education Policy to US States?

Should a dead Jewish criminal be allowed to dictate moral standards to non Jews?

292. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #195323 by BillySands on June 18, 2008 at 4:17 am

However, the local Christian leafleteers now actually shut up shop and disappear up side alleys when they see me walking down the main street looking for somewhere to buy my lunchtime sandwich.

Yeah, they avoid me too. I even try and make eye contact with them. It's as if they can sense I want to have a go.

293. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194333 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:54 pm

Intimate sex with the same sex is not natural.

Paedophagy is natural too - are you endorsing that?

294. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194286 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:18 pm

Why did you get married. For what purpose? Could it be from the teachings of the Judeo-Christian Bible?

Podar, have you been raping young virgins again? (Deuteronomy 22:28:29)

http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/rape/dt22_23a.html

295. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194280 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:12 pm

Even you are starting to get irritated.

Who wouldnt with a fool constantly shouting in his ear. The only uneducated people here seem to be you and txpiper - but I wouldn't expect you to notice that - you have a bronze age book of myths that tells you to stone gays to keep you straight (if you'll pardon the pun - a pun is a play on words by the way - W -O - R - oh, never mind, read Deureronomy 28 from verse 15 onwards oh fear ravaged one)

296. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194268 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:03 pm

"Thank Goodness"

by Daniel Dennett:

Ah yes, he should read that. I think it is sad that he feels he needs god to help him.

I think it is just idiotic that he then projects that on to us

297. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194265 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 2:57 pm

Good Day. I was thinking. It is becomming very expensive to travel these days. Has any headway been made in science which can decrease the time for Macroevolution? Just think how great it would be if we could all grow wings and fly.

Yes, look up the UBX gene - mutations cause extra wings - Next!

You never said what macrochanges you will accept or expect - we want to know if ou actually undestand how evolution works.


PS, I know the answer already

298. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #194244 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 2:49 pm

To All

What do all atheists scream in the time of danger? Oh God please help me.

Why is this?

Really? I dont remember that when I was facing death or serious injury in a desperate winter climbing situation.

My partner asked if I was considering praying. My reply was "Am I bollocks!"

Then, you should read what Joe Simpson had to say. He broke his leg at over 20 000 feet and the recieved wisdom at that time was anyone that happened to was a dead man crawling. His partner did his best to get him down, but he ended up dangling over a crevasse and his partner cut the rope. He was left for dead but eventually he got himself back after several days.

This is what he had to say

"At 16, I asked all these monks some serious questions and they didn't come up with the answers, and I just decided I didn't believe in God. And I always thought, you know, if everything hit the fan, then I might turn around and say, you know, a couple of Hail Marys, "Can you get me out of here?" And in all those days, I never did once, not even in the crevasse. I never thought of some God or some omniscient being that'd lean down and give me help, and I feel, actually, if I had believed that, I just would've stopped and waited for it, and I would've died. And so in a way, that's why that loneliness, I think, came in. I was 25, I was fit, strong, ambitious. I wanted to climb the world and I was dying. There was no afterlife, there's no paradise, there's no heaven. It's just dead. And I really didn't want to lose that. I've got immense respect for other people's religions, be it Christian or Buddhist, Hindu or Muslim. I just…I don't happen to have a belief, and I've tested that atheism, so, um, I respect my own lack of belief now. Before, I was never quite sure."

I recommend his book "touching the void" It is the best thing I have read - totally pisses on the bible

Then you could actually do some research before wafting your generalised sweeping evangie bullshit towards us

299. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193839 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 5:57 am

One of them asked (of the church magazine) "is it the David Robertson Monthly Record or the Free Church Monthly Record?"

So within his own church he has enemies.

One of them even accused him of endorsing witchcraft and cancelled his subscription

300. Holiday in Hellmouth

Comment #193789 by BillySands on June 16, 2008 at 3:42 am

Johnny, show him what he's won!

Well Tyler, its annnnnnother severe blow to the head. Yes David, that's right, with even less functioning neurons than before, you can make even sillier comments till your heart's content.