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I rose to the bait because I have friends who have experienced this inequality.
252. God hates Mars
Comment #199598 by phil rimmer on June 26, 2008 at 3:56 am
Hef
I'm confident that you were dying to know that.
253. God hates Mars
Comment #199584 by phil rimmer on June 26, 2008 at 3:15 am
Did somebody mention chocolate - http://www.greenandblacks.com/uk/productdetails.php?pageid=27&cid=6&pid=86
254. Fossil of most primitive 4-legged creature found
Comment #199550 by phil rimmer on June 26, 2008 at 12:57 am
8teist
and still broke the crank in 3 places.
255. The Flea Delusion
Comment #199391 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 5:01 pm
decius
The risk of appearing callous.
256. The Flea Delusion
Comment #199385 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Podaar, decius,
I too had a soft spot for Richard and was concerned for his wellbeing. But..
On the bust-up thread was the last (of three) posts from a recovering schizophrenic who had struggled with her voices and come to manage her condition in a very positive and life affirming way. It is her I most think about, despite all the fuss and bother around needy Richard. She was the one with the real struggle and the real strength of character to rise above it through reason.
Lori her name was.
257. The Flea Delusion
Comment #199383 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 4:26 pm
Corylus
Good summary. Thanks.
What a roller-coaster of a thread it was. It brought out the best and the worst in us. With a few notable exceptions I think everyone was honest with their feelings despite the risks that entailed.
RM came across as such a needy person. Why he came to this site I'll never know. He never could get his head round the idea that a person professing niceness might not actually be nice and vice versa.
We can love Him, because He first loved us
258. The Flea Delusion
Comment #199344 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 2:45 pm
decius
I just had to post this summary by Doc Beway of the Russian Cult Leader thread Richard Morgan picks out in Barry's link as the moment of his disgust with us heartless atheists. Its priceless and so, so accurate....
Comment #155772 by Dr Benway on April 5, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Hmm. Now that Richard Morgan and his sockpuppet, Diogenes2008 have deleted their posts, this thread has become difficult to follow. So to recap for the latecomers:
Chorus: OMG!!1! Man hits head wif log to kill self?!! WTF?
Richard Morgan: This site is sullied day after day by this sort of heartless reaction.
Chorus: We're not mean. We're just sayin'.
Richard Morgan: You would never see David Robertson laughing and jeering at an atheist's anguished distress and madness. Never.
Chorus: Well... log part was funny.
Diogenes2008: You people are appalling and your behavior is inadmissible. Shame!
Chorus: Ok, but log bit made us laff. Not all day, just a little.
Diogenes2008: I can't bear to read this thread further.
Chorus: ?
Diogenes2008: Earlier I said I'd rather hang with Robertson than you lot. That got no reaction. Did you not hear me?
Benway: Ha!
Richard Morgan: D'oh! *delete, delete, delete*
The moral of the story: Do not fuck with the human beings. Eventually they will suss you out.
259. Mormons urged to back ban on same-sex marriage
Comment #199319 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm
And most certainly mine!
260. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #199300 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 1:12 pm
HitbLade
FUCK YOU.
262. Science is not philosophy
Comment #199294 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Brian
How do I become one of those high-faluting Gurus?
263. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #199238 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 11:21 am
Comment #199189 by hungarianelephant
Comment #199203 by Podaar
The best way to influence your kids is by choosing their friends.
Kids learn from their peers not grown-ups. So, spot some nice intelligent, well-mannered, interesting kid in the school yard and sidle up to his folks and invite them round for dinner one evening. Kids'll do the rest...
Comment #199167 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 9:03 am
Epeeist
I would take a little more notice if some women actually said that the battle was over
265. Science is not philosophy
Comment #199151 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 8:44 am
Allan,
Make that 319 to 340. But whose counting?
I feel sure Tera will get to see major disagreements and bust-ups if she stays here for a while. It does seem rather a young persons mistake to think what you see at first glance is what there is. Fortunately, that's a problem that goes away.
Sent PM
Comment #199140 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 8:30 am
Steve, (when you come back)
I have to weigh in with Al, Allan, TOCT etc. on this. I genuinely believe the back of the equality problem has been broken. The tipping point has occurred.
As I see it, the battles to be fought are individuals battles. Remaining fuddy duddy ideas will die with their fuddy duddy owners. Their kids are free and clear. (My kids and their friends have no expectation of glass ceilings or proscribed professions, which as prospective employers I see as healthy.)
Further, I believe by not hammering the thing into an absolutely prescribed hole, a better more, responsive solution results. (Is net pay the metric? Flexibility around a family? Career security? Training opportunities?) Given the right legislation and a rapidly shifting public attitude the market WILL get to value resources appropriately.
The BIGGEST problem we have in the world today is the huge mass of disenfranchised and oppressed women. Where is the Monstrous Regiment of Women that should be looming over those medieval male chauvinist bullies we all know to be the source of world misery?
267. I believe that there is no God.
Comment #199034 by phil rimmer on June 25, 2008 at 5:30 am
I'm not referring to god existing
Comment #198870 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 3:20 pm
but it seemed, well, a bit girly
Comment #198848 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 3:03 pm
271. Comment #198832 by fizhburn
281. Comment #198845 by Frankus1122
Al cleared that one up to my satisfaction.
It is directed at every feminist who complains about the "glass ceiling" (of course competency of women can never be the issue, must be someone else's fault... another discussion) while women are bought and sold in the Gulf countries, while women are stoned and flogged in Afghanistan and Pakistan, while women are burnt alive in South Asia.
Comment #198837 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Tera
Just a little comment on insults.
Fucktard is fantasy swearing. A made up word, it just leaves a nasty smell and a little dent in someones pride.
Misogynistic is real. It pierces the skin and damages a reputation, if believed.
Feel free to use as many of the first as you deem necessary. Use the second only with the VERY best of evidence to back you up.
271. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #198801 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Corylus
I had the pleasure of driving back with Ann Cryer from a concert recently. Her stories of the kinds of threatening pressure she was coming under at her office in her constituency were alarming. She's a brave and admirable women.
272. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #198783 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 1:23 pm
It is directed at every feminist who...
273. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #198770 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 1:09 pm
Feminism is a lot more liberal sloganeering. It is something for college sophomores to make signs for and march around on campus. No real substance left.
Comment #198762 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 12:59 pm
Steve
Sorry. I was kicking a corpse, wasn't it?
Comment #198752 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Steve, leave it!
I know its sad, but there's no one there. Just that horrible neurological twitch. I guess they'll turn the machine off eventually.
276. Saudi Marriage Officiant : 'It Is Allowed To Marry A Girl At The Age Of One'.
Comment #198726 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 11:59 am
I made a BIG mistake. I argued that we needed to confront Islam from a purely political angle. That this would "legitimize" the discussion and get it onto the airwaves and passed those too squeamish to condemn a whole religion.
I clearly should have said political and moral. This is monstrous in the EXTREME. The paedophilia is deeply sick, but the callous attitude to the feelings of other human beings (women) leaves me speechless.....
I do so not want to de-humanize these MEN. Thats what you do when you feel the urge to fight them, I'm told. I so do not want to de-humanize them...
But what if they do all the work for you?
(I do understand it may be a small minority of Muslim men. But you others.....be fucking outraged!)
EDIT Fanusi- don't say it OK?
277. I believe that there is no God.
Comment #198633 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 10:26 am
God does not hold back individuals from loving
278. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198485 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 6:05 am
Brian,
Sorry 'bout the disappearing avatar. I get a little over-enthusiastic at times. Felt I had to rein it in a bit. (Last time it happened [over marmite abuse]Quetz had to call out the men in white coats.)
Boredom and forgetting to take the tablets are the real problem.
279. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198480 by phil rimmer on June 24, 2008 at 5:52 am
Jethro
God bless ... no, can't say that... Yes I can.
280. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198326 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 3:00 pm
Frankus
In a free and open forum such as this anyone should be allowed to post whatever they feel is semi-reasonable.
281. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198315 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 2:47 pm
SharonMcT
*presses thnx button*
Quetz.
Limit the max "troll" count per post.
Re first point...I haven't thought this through, have I? This is a free speech issue. Hmmm.
282. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198305 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Probably, ignoring them is the best solution.
283. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198297 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 2:12 pm
My irritation occasionaly stems from the fact that despite repeated markings as 'Troll' by a large number of the community, these posters keep appearing and are not relegated to an 'alternate commment thread'. Pointless, completely pointless.
284. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198266 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 1:07 pm
Steve,
We need to interact with religion where it tries to influence policies
285. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198252 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Steve
On the other hand, some of the rebuttals have been a true pleasure to read.
286. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #198221 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 11:49 am
Looking back over the tx posts I get the impression not of one of the abused / exploited but of a would be exploiter.
He will return to those eager, upturned little faces with tales of derring-do in land of the Satan's spawn, God's Truth intact. This Black Knight will do harm to others, despite the fact that he is too stupid to notice his arms and legs have been chopped off.
287. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198211 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 11:31 am
Al
But we encounter another problem, how do we get people to wake the hell up and pay attention to what is going on. I don't know how it is in England, do people ignore the problem?
288. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198206 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 11:24 am
Fanusi
Islam is first and foremost a political project, then a system of spirituality.
I am not one of the squeamish liberals, soiled with moral relativism, so I am happy to help others.
289. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198180 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 10:12 am
Al
But I am afraid that the sophistry from Muslims will continue. There will be no intellectual victory anytime soon, meaning Muslims won't ever concede any point, ever.
290. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198171 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 10:00 am
Al,
It doesn't matter that definitions out there already are ambiguous, so long as we define it clearly in the way that we wish. Hence-
Islamism is the promotion of those aspects of Islam which are political in nature.
Or some such.
By shearing off the political from the spiritual and re-branding it it becomes easier to fend off the stupid attacks, of racism or not respecting other people's mind-murk, or whatever.
(even though we're allowed to not respect mind-murk)
EDIT Lets take control of the language here. In an attack on Islamism, define it right up top, so people can see what you mean. We need this word. Simply being able to say Islam and political in the same breath gets the point across.
291. Sarcasm Seen as Evolutionary Survival Skill
Comment #198164 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 9:45 am
Ok, I didn't get anything of this
292. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198152 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 9:31 am
Can we label Islamism as essentially political in intention? Yes, I know Islam itself is substantially political, but using this other term creates further distance.
The truth of this will come out in any debate, but perhaps we can use this term as a signifier of our absolute right to challenge any of their inappropriate actions. We are not the Thought Police. Beliefs are beyond our legitimate area of political action. That their actions flow naturally from their beliefs is their problem.
293. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198075 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 6:49 am
Al
It isn't about hanging racists out to dry, it is about showing these societal vandals (Islamists) that all speech is protected.
294. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #198065 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 6:31 am
Steve,
I would be deeply uncomfortable about tolerating racism.
295. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #197996 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 3:19 am
Steve
I think until we actually start ... creating new organisms for general use in the laboratory, then I think the distinction between directed and undirected is problematic.
296. On this Day: Galileo Sentenced for Believing Sun Is Center of Universe
Comment #197965 by phil rimmer on June 23, 2008 at 2:28 am
Comment #197828 by Cartomancer
Thanks for the corrective. Is there any single reference you could cite that provides a more balanced view of the history of western thinking in the first millennium than the Freeman?
EDIT In fairness I think a better rendering of the case would be that not a total stifling of creative thinking had occurred but rather, perhaps, that its rate of occurrence had fallen below some critical threshold. Below this level the "benign contagion" of creativity survives only in little pockets, but cannot thrive.
297. On this Day: Galileo Sentenced for Believing Sun Is Center of Universe
Comment #197790 by phil rimmer on June 22, 2008 at 5:23 pm
The utter completeness of that stranglehold on knowledge from the time of Emperor Constantine through until Thomas Aquinas is detailed rather well I thought in-
"The Closing of the Western Mind- The Rise of Faith and the Fall of Reason"
By Charles Freeman.
EDIT "Utter completeness" is a bad choice here. See Cartomancer below.
298. Lying for Jesus?
Comment #197753 by phil rimmer on June 22, 2008 at 3:43 pm
Jethro,
And the people who reason that the onward march of evolution would be served by certain groups' being removed from the gene pool are fine because because they follow the light of reason.
You argue as if reason will always lead to the same conclusion, that would be true only of totally valid reason on the basis of all relevant information.
Rationalism as well as religion has its lunatic fringe.This thread argue that religion will always tend to fall over into authoritarianism and extremism because that is its nature.
I could argue that atheism will always fall over into callous inhumanity because that is the essential nature of natural selection.
Comment #197723 by phil rimmer on June 22, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Marshall1
As for all the comments imploring me to prove my God. I don't feel like I need to.
300. 'I despise Islamism': Ian McEwan faces backlash over press interview
Comment #197517 by phil rimmer on June 22, 2008 at 9:25 am
Very Many Happy Returns to Ian McEwan.
I have been a great fan of his since his earliest short story days. I was astonished by "On Chesil Beach." I know of no other writer of such calm, clear compassion.
He more than any knows the value of what we have built for ourselves.