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Comments by Diacanu


301. God seekers go public

Comment #179756 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 4:23 pm

mandrellian-


what exactly is it about America - that makes this kind of facile idiocy even possible in the first place?


Mix slow information travel out to the landlocked areas in the decades before electronic communication, with stubborn traditionalism, with stubborn "I'll show you!", tribalism, magnified by a civil war, and there you go.
Guaranteed formula for anti-progressive anti-intellectualism.
Once you've got that, pretty much the only alternative is superstition.
Then, once you've got superstition in bed with stubborn "I'll show you!", traditionalism/tribalism, you've got the fundie meme.

Pretty easy to figure out, but then, I live here.

302. God seekers go public

Comment #179542 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 11:30 am

morgantj-

Awsome.

See? This is what I'm talking about.
These people can't not fuck up.

303. God seekers go public

Comment #179525 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 11:14 am

Barry Pearson-


I believe that, for them, "evolution" (and some other aspects of science) is a roadblock on the way to a society without what they call a "materialistic worldview", which they believe has bad consequences.


I used to buy that, but I now see that's only what the duped think.

I think the high ups and their think tanks who engineer this shit, they only care about control and money.

The only "bad consequences", from the "materialistic worldview", they fear is the end of their nasty little congame, and maybe even their skins.

And this is what we have to keep exposing.

This "culture war", shit is a big fat magician's distraction.

304. God seekers go public

Comment #179517 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 11:04 am

Styrer-


Diacanu, I catch myself too often feeling the same, until I smack myself upside the head and remember Harris's message: it is when you realise that these people actually do believe what they say they believe that the ignorant fucking madness of it all begins to make some sense.

I fear that it is equally the shithead faithoholics who truly believe that it is us lot who 'know in [our] heart of hearts' that we're wrong.


I agree and disagree.

I think your average christians do beleive it on the outer layer of their brains, but have doubt past that, and I think even fanatics have that doubt at their core.

Look at Mother Teresa.

Hell, even the 9/11 hijackers had to drone that shit into their heads again, and again, and again, and again, to drive doubt away.

They doubt, they know it's shit.

There is a tiny minority that believe it all the way to their core inside and out, but they're fucking nutcases who can't even function.

To have a functioning mind that makes it through daily living is to have that seed of doubt.

We have to develop and perfect the language to contact that seed, and get it to sprout out of the bullshit towards the sunshine.

I see this as doable.


This will be a long one.

Best,
Styrer


On that, I can wholeheartedly agree.

305. God seekers go public

Comment #179513 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 10:56 am

severalspeciesof-


While I share your outlook, we must also be prepared for the occasional setback, meaning loss of say, one generation for every third. Though I'm not saying we need to accept that, but rather fight to keep the losses at a minimum


Oh, I'm not saying it'll happen overnight like a puff of magic.
But I see it as the inevitable shape of history if we follow the right course.
And the right course is plotted by the right ideas, and I think we have the right ideas.

But like I said, it also isn't pyramid building.
I think there will be a tipping point, and a sudden day like the Berlin wall falling.

306. 'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'

Comment #179486 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 10:17 am

al-rawandi-


dogmatism is the root of all evil, religion is a form of dogmatism.


Agreed, Al.

I say first we get rid of the superstitious dogmatisms, then the nationalistic dogmatisms will crumble, because without the religious dogmatisms, they won't have anything to hide behind.

307. 'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'

Comment #179479 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 10:09 am

Peacebeuponme-

I don't despair.

Not in the bigger picture anyway.

Despite it's bluster, its chest beating, and the good people who get hurt and killed along the way, tyranny is inherently weak.

And each individual tyranny is further weakened in that the seeds of its destruction are right in its design.

And the achilles heel of Islamofascism is its supression of women.

Every culture that supresses women to the degree that islamic states do has historically doomed itself.
Whether it took decades or centuries, they all imploded.

And that's if you do nothing, that implosion can be hastened.

We need more Ayan Hirsi Alis, and we know they're out there.
Armies of them. Waiting.
The screams of that many women can't be bottled up forever.
It's a gas can waiting to be lit.

308. God seekers go public

Comment #179467 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 9:47 am

gr8hands-

And all of those are dirty tricks.

They certainly aren't clean tricks, are they?

All we have to do is get everyone to see that.
And it's not as hard as it may seem.

I honestly believe people know in their deepest heart of hearts those tactics are wrong, and these things they believe are a tapestry of lies.
They know in their heart of hearts it can't be true.
And not just religion, but the whole American propaganda mess.
We just have to tap into that.
People despise being lied to more than they want to hang onto the lie.
The hard part is breaking their deathgrip from the security blanket of lies.

And that comes right back to, we gotta let them see the security blanket is dirty.
And it is.
We don't have to lie to show it.
It's caked in puke, and cumwads, and dog period, and bullshit, and batshit.

We just have to unplug their noses.

There's hard work ahead, but it's not pyramid building.
We just have to shoot the right torpedo into the right exhaust port, and the Death Star will blow.

I think it can be done.

Freedom is humanity's natural state.
You can't crush that for eternity.

We're the side of opening minds, not closing them.
All we need do is remember that, and everything I've posted above will follow.

309. God seekers go public

Comment #179456 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 9:15 am

clunkclickeverytrip-


But, legitimate science can easily be swept under the carpet in the next 100 years if religion wins out over reason. The number of people on Earth who understand the scientific explanation pales in comparison to the number who don't, or don't want to.


That is the one thing to worry about, isn't it?
And I agree.

But knowing is half the battle.

We know they're weasels, and what they're up to, we can start there.

And we know they want us to fear that.

I've observed there's an ingredient of intimidation to this whole Expelled thing.

The implied subtext message sent to atheists seems to be "yes, on your side you have evidence, you have logic, you have fair play, you have rule of law, you have modernity, you have church/state separation, but WE control the PEOPLE, that's what religion does, that's its job, and THAT'S the real power, and if you push us too hard, we'll tear this world you've built down around your ears if we have to, so don't push us".

But, scary as that is, we see it, and we know it.

All we have to do, is put the "They Live", glasses on everyone, and let them see it too.

And like I said in post 42, all they have, or ever will have up their sleeves are dirty tricks.

And people who only have dirty tricks at their disposal have the moral low ground, and people who have the low ground WILL fuck up royally.

We just have to exploit it when they do, and it won't be hard, we just have to passively point it out whenever it happens.

310. God seekers go public

Comment #179449 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 9:01 am

Well, we should be heartened by all of this because it just shows again and again that the ONLY tricks religion has up its sleeve are dirty ones.

That's all they have.
That's all they'll EVER have.
We know it, they know it.

All we have to do, is wait for the right moment when they've weaved enough rope to hang themselves with, and then everyone will know it.

311. God seekers go public

Comment #179430 by Diacanu on May 13, 2008 at 8:39 am

They're probably going to try to devise a way to prove that science is actually anything you can make up.

The Christian Science loons have been barking up that very tree for a good long while.
OTOH, they haven't been trying to worm their way into the classroom (as far as I know), they tend to keep their stuff in their little cult/sect.

312. Evolution: What is 'Natural'?

Comment #179082 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 1:49 pm

Artful_Dodger-


Why is it hard to decide to do the right thing?


Yes, why is it?
It must be, even for religites, or otherwise you wouldn't need to seek counsel from your little fairytale books.
Religion wouldn't exist but for the exploitation of this fundamental human struggle.

And guess what?
The arbitrary edicts of an imaginary tantrum throwing bronze age celestial dictator do NOTHING to resolve the issue.

Mind control of people with rigid doctrine may plow through the issue of what is moral like an angry bull, but it does nothing to solve the underlying problems.

313. Evolution: What is 'Natural'?

Comment #179064 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 1:20 pm

Oboy, a whole buffet of stunted narrowminded black & white crap to pick apart.
It all looks so tasty, where to start?

Artful_Dodger-


By the way, Christian parents have the right to teach their kids that the institution of marriage is intended by God to be heterosexual.


They have the right to teach about Santa and The Boogeyman too, so what?


That will form part of what they pass on to their kids, tho it will not be the only part. Will parents also be getting into trouble for teaching their kids about the sanctity and intrinsic dignity of all human life from conception?


Define "trouble"?


It is ironic that many of the people who shout loudest about the supposed psychological torture of parents transmitting their Christian beliefs to their kids are quite prepared to accept with complete equanimity the wanton slaughter of millions of unborn children, even right up to birth, for no other reason than that the woman's right not to have the child outweighs the child's right to be born.


1. A glob of cells isn't a human.
The only argument that says they are, is the case that an invisible spook enters the zygote.
Supply evidence of this invisible spook, and then you can have some authority on the subject.
Otherwise the notion is rightly dismissed.

And I'm no fan of late term abortions, but under some circumstances, even they can be necesary.

So please, do lose this cartoon charicature of hand-wringing, mustache twirling "baby slaughterers", it's tiresome, and cuts no dice here, and wins no one to your point of view.

2. Yes, women have the right to control their bodies. I know the bible says they're meant to cleave unto their husband, and essentially be chattle, but tough crap. We're out of the bronze age. What a bunch of ignorant goatherders had to say about gender equality doesn't cut it anymore.

3. Emotionalistic buzzwords like "wanton slaughter", aren't going to cut it, nor is superstitious nonsense. I'm sure they do with your christian buddies, but this ain't christian turf.
Construct a proper argument, or piss off.

314. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #179051 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 1:01 pm

Quine-

Cool, thanks.

315. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #179044 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 12:47 pm

Oh, and...


I believe things are in descent having begun in perfection.


Believe-shmelieve, where's your evidence?

316. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #179039 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 12:31 pm


I believe living organisms are in a downward spiral.


Then why doesn't the poor little Emo soul off himself, instead of blessing us with his presence?

How does he keep his carcass motivated through life?

Ah, right, the whole rapturite bronze age revenge fantasy of Armageddon will make it all better.

The school shooting fantasy writ large.

317. Now this is how to critique Ken Ham's creation 'museum'

Comment #179004 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 11:27 am

Alkal-


all of the Bible stories are.. no imagination no nothing


And no originality.
The bible steals greatly from Gilgamesh, Mithrah, etc, etc.

It's a forgery of a plagiarism of a hoax.

318. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178946 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 9:39 am

MaxD-


Please expand the human range of knowledge or do quit wasting time,


WTF does he care?
Him and his rapturite buddies are stroking themselves to the notion of 98% of humanity getting shoveled into hellfire like coal into a furnace.

Why they bother with this intelligent design stuff is anyone's guess.

319. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178943 by Diacanu on May 12, 2008 at 9:32 am

markg-


If anyone needs any more proof txpiper is not here to seriously discuss evolution then check out his posts here: http://www.christianinformant.com/index.php?board=12.0


Excellent find.

So, txpiper is one of these fucking rapurites who wants Israel to bring about armageddon in our lifetime.

What a hideous fucking mental patient.

And this is the creature that demands our respect?

Vulgar.

320. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178622 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 6:59 pm

....yeah, I'm bored.
*Shrug*

321. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178620 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 6:53 pm

My above post dramatizes what I've always assumed goes on in the mind of your typical christian behind that veneer of baseless self-assurance.

Particularly the ones who you almost corner, and then they "have to go do something, because they're so busy".

322. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178617 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 6:40 pm

Frankus1122-


Try my little thought experiment: step outside your bubble.


*Aims brain-cam 5000 at Txpiper's head to view his thoughts*

Txpiper- (With tears streaming down in squirting gushes, as a glowing blue exit door to his bubble starts to suck him up like the vortex from Evil Dead 2) No!! Nooo!!! I want my Jesus!! I want my Jesus! IwantmyJesusIwantmyJesusIwantmyJesusIwantmyJHHHEEEEEZUUUUUSSSS!!!!!!

*Fingers dig into the plush carpet of his bubble*

323. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178613 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 6:04 pm

txpiper-


-evolution is completely dependant on mutations as the source of new genetic material

-mutations are relatively rare as normal is the norm

-when mutations do happen, they are usually inconsequential

-the most likely effect, if there are any, effects will be deleterious


-therefore, a giant invisible wizard poofed it all up with magic.


Yeah, I do put a lot of confidence in common sense


Bwahahahahaaa!!

324. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178559 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 3:33 pm

txpiper-


This is overly optimistic in my view.


As opposed to the worldview that a giant invisible wizard poofed life into existance by magic.

325. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178428 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 11:56 am

Spoke too soon.
Stupid bastid.

EDIT-
*Skims*
Aw, man, did that cunt just say "microevolution"??

Listen, you dumbfuck, once you accept "microevolution", you accept evolution period.

Just like once you learn "one foot in front of the other", you can walk to the end of your driveway, or a mile down the road.
It's no different.

What you creationist morons are effectively saying is "one foot in front of the other can get you to the mailbox..but to the convienince store?? Preposterous!!".

326. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178423 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 11:45 am

I take post 6289 back, the good Reverend's post might register on even txpiper's primitive nervous system.

Pwned!!

327. 'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'

Comment #178411 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 11:15 am

mordacious1-

Hmm, good point.

328. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178402 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 11:00 am

There's no sentence in the universe anyone can construct to shake txpiper from his dumbass dogma, or his preening pseudo-intellectual pseudo-certainty.
Give it up, fellas, he's lost.

329. 'My daughter deserved to die for falling in love'

Comment #178395 by Diacanu on May 11, 2008 at 10:53 am


'If I had realised then what she would become, I would have killed her the instant her mother delivered her,'


See, I'm struggling here to find a moral common ground where there's a common human impulse that islam makes go off the rails, and I can't find it.

I mean, I understand why people murder in the heat of anger, I have anger, but I control it.

I understand why people steal, I've been desperate.

But this "if I knew what she'd become...", shit, I can't relate to that at all.

There's nothing my kid (if I had one) could "become", to make me want to kill them.

If my kid became a fucking flesh eating zombie, I'd be horrified and saddened, but I'd still try to cure them, and if I found myself being forced to kill them, I wouldn't be jacking off with joy about it.

I can't relate at all.
I can't find that human thread to connect it.

Only religion can do this to people.

330. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #178166 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 4:42 pm

ManakinBird-


How can something be TRUE without EVIDENCE???


You FEEL it in your HEART, you damned Vulcan!!

Oh, wait, all feelings have been traced to a handful of neuro-chemicals.

And your heart doesn't feel, it just pumps blood.

Oh well, guess only things that are real exist after all.

331. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #178139 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 3:13 pm

Teratornis-

You're just not going to stop hijacking every topic with your novel length oil rants, are you?

How is throwing up virtually the same post not spamming?

332. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178127 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 2:47 pm

Fellatio-


Oh and Diacanu that'd be yes.


Ah, so you do indeed subscribe to the "God is the universal standard of morality", theory.

Despite that it does nothing whatever to solve the problem.

If God does good things because they are good, then morality exists apart from God.

If things are good just because God arbitrarily says so, then he could up and decide that killing and devouring your children is good, and you'd have to go along with it.

And even ignoring those problems, it doesn't MATTER what God's standards are, because he's not with us every day shouting from the sky with his big megaphone every day helping us out, so we humans have to figure out what's the right and wrong thing to do in our day to day lives anyway.

Just like if he didn't exist.

333. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178121 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 2:33 pm

Fellatio, what do you think is constant?

God?

334. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178116 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 2:25 pm

Congratulations, Fellatio, you just used reasoning.
;)

Thus endeth the lesson.

Long live Diacanu.

335. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178112 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 2:18 pm

Fellatio Ad Reducto-


Clearly you don't know,


How did you reasonably conclude that?

336. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178108 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 2:07 pm

the great teapot/Quetzalcoatl-

Exactly.

337. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178106 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 1:57 pm

Fellatio, I'm not your school teacher.
I educated myself the hard way, I'm not going to cakewalk you through it.
Especially since I flat out don't fucking like you.
You called Paula Kirby, someone I respect a lot, a totaliarian, you can go piss up a rope.

338. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178101 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 1:46 pm

Frankus1122-


I've heard that hell is just an absence of God.


I keep asking theists how one can be absent from an omnipresent entity, and have yet to get any answer at all.

339. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178099 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Well, geez, Fellatio, how the hell do I describe reason to a grown person who doesn't know what the hell it is?
How did you get through life, and miss that one?

Start with 1 leads to 2 leads to 3 leads to 4...

Play with that for awhile, then eventually, build up to reading some books of philosophy, logic, and neuropsychology.

340. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178085 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 1:15 pm

Wow, Fellatio, if you have to ask at this late phase in the game, you might be beyond help.

341. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178083 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 1:03 pm

Richard Dawkins-

So like, is the Daily Mash like Britain's Onion?

I figured out pretty quickly it was a parody, but I don't know, are they all parody, or just have occasional satire, or what?

342. Atheists are nice people who will roast in hell, says Cardinal

Comment #178079 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 12:51 pm

Ah, I see in post 76, Fellatio Ad Reducto is trying the "atheism leads to moral relativism, and thus an 'anything goes' society", gambit.

Are there ever going to be new arguements from this bunch, or is it just going to be endless repackaging?

What am I saying? That question answers itself with a quick skim of history.

343. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #178009 by Diacanu on May 10, 2008 at 8:27 am

txpiper-


...all my beliefs...


Which are?

344. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #177887 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 10:33 pm

Quine-


Want to fight cancer?


Oh, heck no, God WANTS us to have tumors.

It's his divine plan.

And we can't call God an asshole for this, because who are we to judge God?

And we can't reason why, cause it's a big fat mystery that will be explained when we're all dead.

345. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #177840 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 8:03 pm

Quine-


It doesn't help his basic lack of understanding; it just deflects Rev's poke at him, and saves him from having to actually do any thinking.


Agreed.
Hence my summarized observation.

346. Lying for Jesus?

Comment #177835 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 7:50 pm

txpiper-


Why is that relevant?


Fuckinidiot.

347. Scientists Know Better Than You--Even When They're Wrong

Comment #177831 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 7:41 pm


If you see the space shuttle crashing, you can see that these guys in the white coats don't always get it right.


Scientists didn't break the fucking space shuttles, beurocracy did.

I can read no further.
Puke.

348. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #177826 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 7:32 pm

Ah, I see everyone else is on the same page with me now.

I had Fellatio Ad Reducto pegged as a miserable peckerneck much sooner.

And Fellatio, you call my friends Nazis, a verbal assault is what you get, so don't go playing the fucking victim card.

349. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #177734 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 3:07 pm

fellatio-


(speaking on behalf of millions of people


Who gives a shit?


Totalitarian.


Go eat shit, you little weasel.

350. Richard Dawkins interviewed by John Humphrys on Cardinal Murphy O'Connor

Comment #177727 by Diacanu on May 9, 2008 at 2:55 pm

fellatio-


...follower...



...Dawkins' disciples..


Sorry, there are none, we're all individuals here.

Perhaps you'd prefer to address a particular person who you think represents the straw man you've built?

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