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Comment #146576 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 7:50 am

MLF,

How do you know ancient ways of memorising things were more accurate than chineese whispers? There wer plenty of others gospels, so obviously the jesus myth was diverging and evolving - interestingly, if you look at the cannonical resurrection accounts, the stories become more fabulous the more recently they were written.

There is also nothing in any of the gospels that actually I dentify the authors as the assumed authors- how did they get those tags.

Doctrine played a part in the cannoisation - hence why the apocrypha are excluded

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Comment #146449 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 5:16 am

"If someone asks me where the evidence is, then I would immediately ask them to explain what they mean by evidence".



You mean he doesn't know?

This is of course an evasive response. He is the one making the assretion, so he has to present that which he thinks is evidence.

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Comment #146430 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 4:43 am

Still he is lying for Jesus.


And Peter Sutcliffe killed for Jesus. David, was he right?

Someone like Billy on stage to not so much whisper 'Bollocks' as point it out with neon and claxons.


Thanks for the vote of confidence _J_. I never had that chance when he was in Glasgow. It is a tricky one, as the evidence for evolution is there regardless of the bible. Being a purist, I dont encourage including god in evolution when there is no evidence for him (in particular the christian one).
A book of myths adds nothing to the theory.

On the other hand, Ham is another liar and a bigot and I dont like liars or bigots, but how do you argue with someone who believes that genesis is a witness account of the flood and needs no further validation?

I think the evidence has to be presented in a nontheological way - at least that way, some YECs may deconvert.

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Comment #146414 by BillySands on March 19, 2008 at 4:19 am

Quetz,
How stupid was his table comment! Lets leave a bath full of water for a billion years and lets see if there are any fish in it - actually, in his complete ignorance, he probably thinks that is a good point too.

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Comment #146116 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:18 pm

Yes it is!

306. Fleabytes

Comment #146109 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:05 pm

I think this is where David learned how to "argue" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM&feature=related

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Comment #145854 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 8:16 am

Do you think that because of his beliefs he can be so knowingly unpleasant and deceptive and still believe he is doing good?


Well, he does think that the baby eating - puppy drowning god of the old testament is "a God of mercy, justice, beauty, holiness and love, a God who cares passionately for the poor, for his people and for his creation"

Padded cell for robertson!

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Comment #145843 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 8:09 am

it's always fortunate when God's plan for you coincides so perfectly with what flatters your ego.


Or nurses your intolerance and phobias

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Comment #145836 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 7:51 am

Al-Rawandi

Muhammad lost to God in the last round.


I couldn't get my special fire attack to work.


I only got it to work once - by accident though. Mohammed was the one I found to be the best to fight with.

Fedlar

Sorry, David, I really don't know what you're talking about here.


I think he is being mildly racist here

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Comment #145770 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 6:02 am

Anyone waiting on David, can spend their time repeatedly punching jesus in the loin cloth here

http://flashgamesite.com/play2085game.html

311. Fleabytes

Comment #145733 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 4:07 am

You are certainly dishonest.


Yeah, and I dont think he has explained why he tried to rip off a bus driver with a dodgy cheque

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Comment #145723 by BillySands on March 18, 2008 at 3:38 am

I almost fell for the spoof - Pathfinder thinking he was possibly the 'Billy' of fundamentalist Christianity.


Awww, that's not very nice David. Don't you love me? That's not very christian of you is it? Do you think you reflect Jesus? He must be an ass hole too then if you are his ambassador - why would we want to know him?

Now it turns out he is just part of the CFA. Sadly it is too close to the bone - there are actually people in the Christian church who are that dumb.


More Ad homs David, thought you said you didn't indulge in that.
Dumb Christians - we might be on to something here.

Still interesting that you have now added another way to avoid discussing my arguments.


Ahem! I asked for your best argument - where is it? (any pshychologists care to analyse David?)

And still waiting for this evidence of my being a liar.


Appart from the constant streams of evidence, how about psalm 116:11 "All men are liars" (a favorite passage of a hate fulled christian I know). Don't you believe the bible? That's not very christian of you!

PS, this alcoholic communion wine of yours - that's not being sensitive to any alcoholics in your congregation- is it? I'm begining to think that christian means ass hole!

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Comment #145465 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 3:51 pm

Besides which most of my posts are serious and raise numerous points for discussion. But you refuse to do so. Why? I know the answer - I am mentally ill/evil/unchristian/an unbalanced fruitcake. But I suspect that although some may genuinely believe this - it is almost, dare I say it, a delusion - because in reality some cannot handle the points that are being made.


Believe I issued a challenge you ignored - which just showed you to be a liar - not really a challenge.
You have been challenged frequently, you could prove us wrong, but I'm guessing there is a good reason why you havent.

Come on, give us your best argument. You know, one of those ones we cant deal with - I'm on the edge of my seat.

AL-Rawandi
I think we should pull a Robertson and write an article where we take all of Pathfinder and Wooter's posts and hold them up and say: "See what theists think, this sums it up".

Lets not forget our favorite little creationist Devolved too.
What ever happened to him? Maybe he is allergic to chromosome 2, toothed chickens, ALX4 genes and Archaeopteryx,

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Comment #145137 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:56 am

Irate, did you see that thing on BBC2 on saturday about the "lost" gospels - very interesting stuff - some denied Jesus's humanity, suffering and death.

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Comment #145131 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:42 am

Fiction inspired by fiction, eh?


Fiction inspired by fiction, inspired by fiction - how else did they convert people from all those similar pagan beliefs?

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Comment #145108 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:10 am

Styrer - Don't be too disappointed but you do realise that J K Rowling is a practising Christian (a member of the Church of Scotland) and that she recently stated that much of Harry Potter was inspired by the Bible - and especially the last book - with its theme of resurrection?


Hey David, What about the very tolerant fundie in your church that cancelled their subscription to your comic because you were endorsing Harry Potter and witchcraft?

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Comment #145102 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 9:01 am

Number one matey, I do not HATE anyone, not even you - I am disgusted and appalled by you plus I don't trust you, but I cannot hate you.


Good on you Philip. I know plenty of hate filled christians.

Dont you love the way he is tring to demonise you.

I dont hate David either - I just think he is a slimy, lying arse

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Comment #145092 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 8:36 am

Does your pity end when the attempt is unsuccessful?


Well, he is actually told to move on
"And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet. (Matt 10:14)

Yet, he ignores the bible and keeps coming back! Not very christian of him, is it?

Don't you feel pity for all of those people you believe are going to burn in hell for eternity?


Nah, he thinks we deserve it, because we apparently dont want to gullibly swallow his non evidence

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Comment #145083 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 8:25 am

I posit psychosis. All the signs are there.


I was thinking more along the lines of psychotic spacktard myself

320. Immune system differences found

Comment #145016 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 7:15 am

This backs up previous work which has shown African Americans may be more susceptible than Caucasians to infection, such as the gum disease bug Porphyromonas gingivalis.


Lets not forget that native americans were more susceptible to small pox than christian European conquerors too

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Comment #145012 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 7:11 am

The leader of thr First Church Of Satan wrote

Yes - I can back up my arguments. And I think there is plenty evidence. Although what I find interesting here is that when I respond on this website with lots of arguments, evidence etc it just gets met with the standard responses (Robertson is an idiot, we are so clever and lets talk about anything except the subject)


Go on then, what about isaiah 7:14, micah 5:2, the census of quirinius, paleopathology and the fall, moral absolutes?

You have not backed up a single one!

Stop lying!

BTW, this LXX that Jesus supposedly read, that wouldn't happen to be the one where methuselah survived the flood - would it? Oh and what about differences with the Masoretic text?


I expect silence of abuse over all of the above - eitherway, readers will see that you are lying about arguments

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Comment #144944 by BillySands on March 17, 2008 at 4:40 am

Is this your secret plot to get at us Fundamentalist Quetzalcoatlists back for all this tea business?


I thought we were Quetzalcoatalans. We better ask for His ruling on the matter. I'm glad he is real and gives clear instructions to his followers - unlike that yahweh myth.

323. In Britain, creationist theory is evolving

Comment #144587 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 11:25 am

Sorry, THEORY??????????

Wonder if his doctrate was actually in radiochemistry - doubt it some how

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Comment #144578 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 11:09 am

Hey David, hope you enjoyed the football. I thought it was funny a guy called David Robertson missed a penalty - wouldn't be the first time someone of that name failed to make an impact - eh? :-)

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Comment #144447 by BillySands on March 16, 2008 at 5:08 am

Here is orgasmatron http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnSaNfG9tV4

I also quite like dear jesus by jesse james http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mQcHm2SDZk

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Comment #144348 by BillySands on March 15, 2008 at 5:10 pm

whatthe

Stop reading christian rubbish and read some proper science books if you really want to understand evolution.

By the way, try antibiotic resistance as evidence of evolution (rolls eyes in disgust at fundies)

Time to hit the malt.... (and maybe a peh or two, Billy, you join me?)


Make mine a double

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Comment #143910 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 3:39 pm

Pure peh-tastic SG. It almost hike I'm in the wrong end of tannadice again when Rangers are 4 up.

Quetz, why dont to get DR to mention his evolutionary beliefs - might turn the fundies against him :-)

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Comment #143884 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Where does DR arrive at the conclusion that Dawkins doesn't like to debate.


My guess is the imaginary pixies he keeps in his butt.

SG, nore woman know your place stuff: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lrJg8NMsFw

:-)

329. Fleabytes

Comment #143710 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 10:08 am

wonder about the difference between animals that truly pair bond for life and those (like us) that are less prone to permanent bonds.


Interestingly, the field and meadow voles are either monogomous or polygamous (cant remember which is which at the moment). It appears that part of the vassopressin promoter controls this, and by swaping them around, you change them to the other type of beheviour. Search for the matt ridley talk on this link if you are interested.

http://www.princeton.edu/WebMedia/lectures/

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Comment #143687 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 9:56 am

"Fucked from birth"


I am now singing this to the tune of killed by death - fucked from birth...fucked from birth.....

331. Fleabytes

Comment #143683 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 9:52 am

Dont actually know him, think he may have actually contributed to this forum some time ago.

Bye!


This would be Alex http://www.richarddawkins.net/articleComments,300,Dawkins-Delusion-3rd-article-Same-Stupid-Title,David-Robertson,page3#6312

I remember Robertson complaining on his own site that he was also being attcked by someone who once knew the truth (a former minister in the free church)

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Comment #143663 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 9:39 am

Hi SG,

Not seen the killed by death vid for a long time. Must look it up. Last time I went to see motorhead, the noise made my face numb - excellent!

The fundies protested that the snakes were a symbol of the devil or something like that. I tried to find a link earlier but couldn't.

333. Fleabytes

Comment #143615 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 8:46 am

Incidentally, as a footnote, the traditional music scene on Skye is booming these days - there is a lot of talent.And that reminds me - I was a t a concert once, where Arthur Cormack (a Skye singer) and his band were on stage - it was Saturday night, and a member of his band pointed out - getting close to midnight and... wait for it... THE SABBATH!!!!!!

He joked - its OK, dont worry. I'm Free Church - free of the church that is!!! And the evening continued with much mirth and fine singing!


I'm reminded of the scene from whisky galore when they have to stop raiding the whisky because of the sabbath. Funny film.

I was on Skye last june(?) and there was a big music festival near Broadford that I believe even happened on the Sabbath as we passed some semi naked young people on the road.
I seem to keep stumbling across music festivals on climbing trips, the year before I ended up having a curry with Hayseed dixie in Ullapool (so bad they are actually good - admittedly, when I first heard their version of the ace of spades, I decided they had to die if I ever met them)

By the way, do you remember all that fuss from the fundies when they opened the serpentarium in Broadford?

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Comment #143418 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 5:23 am

d) Fear.



e) Indoctrination

f) Steady income - does the church pay for your house too?

g) Intellectual dishonesty

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Comment #143414 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 5:19 am

Now on to the next ad hom (bring in Billy and the Pope - havn't had that for a wee while!).


Wow, a personal attack and I had nothing to do with that comment - I hope David is not transferring all those Warm RD feelings on to me now. How do I let him down gently guys?

I noticed you never followed up on my comment cncerning moral absolutes - how boringly predictable.

Your posts increasingly read like the rantings of a tormented mind.


Irate
Billy. I thought you'd escaped all that delusional nonsense...


It's OK, David just cured me of that.

David, i know you want the question really: why do you swear the pope is the antichrist when you know that fuels hatred in Scotland?

Are you intentionally evil?

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Comment #143392 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 4:56 am

I know this may sound cruel


Not really. I do hope David can learn from the situation and become a more balanced individual though. It gives him the opportunity to address some personal issues.

337. Fleabytes

Comment #143390 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 4:45 am

Professor Dawkins does debate people, he just doesn't want to debate you, get over it!


I think that is the real issue. Unrequited obsession. Despite David's efforts to get noticed, he is just not up to the job of providing a case for god (like the rest of them), why would RD (or anyone) want to debate what ammounts to an abusive, paranoid, word twisting intellectual nobody?

Take an honest look at yourself David and try and chage for the better.

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Comment #143378 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 4:14 am

Notice that DR is the opposite of RD. Very fitting.


Yes, for every genius, there is an equal but opposite peh* eating marmalade smearing jute wearing village idiot

*Staple diet of Dundonians (pie)

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Comment #143359 by BillySands on March 14, 2008 at 3:35 am

Could we ask for clearer evidence of how he arrives at his beliefs? Pure gut feel, prejudice and raw emotion. The facts don't point to what he feels to be true? Then the facts must be wrong.


Insanity?

SG thanks for the link. I was thinking about it after passing that depressing message outside a free church yesterday - I had flashbacks to the dreadful free church event I attended when Ken Ham was speaking - showing pyroclastic deposits around mount St Helens as evidence of rapid accumulation of sedimentary rocks - Shudder!

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Comment #143206 by BillySands on March 13, 2008 at 4:27 pm

SG,
Strangely, I was thinking about Hutton's unconformity today. It must be a sign.

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Comment #143190 by BillySands on March 13, 2008 at 3:32 pm

Quetz
I would probably hammer him on his worst lie or logical fallacy of the night.
Does he get to see the questions or censor them first?

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Comment #143173 by BillySands on March 13, 2008 at 3:01 pm

Bear in mind that I will be in a room of Evangelical Christians, so questions like: "Why are you so deluded?" will not be read out. :)


Ask him if he loves RD

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Comment #143160 by BillySands on March 13, 2008 at 2:44 pm

What is it that motivates you to maintain your faith? It's one thing to acquire faith, but quite another to maintain it. What is it that causes you day after day and after coming under such scrutiny as you have here to maintain the faith you have?


Interestingly, I passed by one David's churches today. Outside it was a poster sateing "Every man shall give an account of himself unto god"

So, I'm guessing fear - a technique his cult loves to use on children.

344. Fleabytes

Comment #142274 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 8:41 am

al-rawandi,

Call me cynical, but, I think he might be visiting apologetic sites as we speak.

345. Fleabytes

Comment #142265 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 8:08 am

Hi Murky,

It was philip1978 and Quetz that put me on to it, so there are at leas 4 readers :-)
It is interesting that when I was a christian, I never really doubted that most of the "reasonable" stories were true (the flood and the garden of Eden always seemed total bollocks to me though). It wasn't until I read "the bible unearthed" that I came to realise that even stories like the exodus and the genocides in caanan were made up too.
Interestingly, clearthinker seems to think that the bible is all the evidence we need concerning the existence of Abraham - and he calls himself a historian!!!!!!

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Comment #142238 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 7:18 am

Also, could you tell me the ten (or five) archaeological discoveries that show the Biblical record to be demonstrably false. That'll give me something to work on.



You may want to get your teeth into this for starters - or read the books cited.

http://www.bidstrup.com/bible.htm

347. Fleabytes

Comment #142180 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 5:57 am

Whatthe

Surely the above quote is one of the most comical that has been posted on this site. Mr Sands would have us believe that moral values are relative. Yet in his very next line he proceeds to make an appeal to what he regards as a self-evidently objective moral value "you CAN'T just define something as an absolute". If Mr Sands was to be consistent he would have to believe that David CAN define anything the way he wants for, after all, all moral values are relative.


You want to read some of David's comments (or your own) if you want absurdity.

Saying you can't just define something as a moral absolute is not an appeal to a moral absolute - try thinking about it! Moral values are relative. You cant just state something is absolute as evidence. I define you as a goblin - does that make you one, or should I be able to demostrate that you are one?

If you need any help, just ask

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Comment #142133 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 3:49 am

David

I'm afraid that he did argue that there were no moral absolutes and when he was asked was that statement itself an absolute replied by saying he was not going to get into that kind of circular argument.


Even if this were an absolute statement, it does not mean that there are moral absolutes. The problem is that you claim that there are, so the burden of proof is on you. Please provide some evidence

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Comment #142128 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 3:38 am

David

Certainly. All human beings are created equal. Racism is wrong. Dachau was wrong. These are moral absolutes.


Sorry David, I asked you to demonstrate that moral absolutes exist. I did not ask for your opinion. You have demonstrated that you believe they are wrong. You have not even come close to demonstrating they are wrong in any absolute sense.
The early church fathers had no problem with rasicm - they even debated whether black people had souls. The Nazi - did not think Dachau was wrong, and many believe that not all people are equal (think church and slavery - Augustine even said that people were slaves at god's pleasure, and that in his eves slavery was not a sin). Oh, and we were not created!

So David, it appears that moral values are relative. So, I ask you again, do you have any evidence that they are absolute - you cant just define something as an absoulte and say it is. You have to demonstrate it. Using your standard, it is just as valid to say that Dachau was good - where iare the reasons that it is or is not?
Please bear in mind in your next answer, that you have only given your opinion on what morality should be - you have not shown that there is an ultimate moral law dictated by your god - who if he was such a source must surly be constrained by it and is therefore not omnipotent.

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Comment #142125 by BillySands on March 12, 2008 at 3:23 am

MaxD

It was at that point I realized you weren't very qualified. Not even to quote the bible. Or to understand that which you were quoting did nothing to help your case. The Bible actually says; 1In the begining God created the heavens and the earth.
2. and the Earth was formless and void and a darkness was over the surface of the deep; and the spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters.
3. Then God said, "Let there be light."


Even more bizarrely, he thinks there were no earthquakes, tsunami's, disease, volcanoes before a talking snake made Eve eat the apple (strictly speaking the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Therefore, they could only have known that was supposedly evil to disobey god after they did this)

"In this they reflect our besieged atheistic friends who are becoming increasingly frustrated because their old fashioned modernistic arguments are more and more being exposed for the intellectual limitations they are. Richard Dawkins was quick off the mark â€" suggesting that the Asian Tsunami was once again an illustration of the fact that there is no God. In this he was using Darwin's old argument ""There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the parasitic wasp with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of caterpillars, or that the cat should play with mice". Now we before we answer this let us consider its implications. If there is no God and no creator then what we are saying is that this is just the way things are. 'Mother Nature' is cruel and vicious. There is no answer â€" only despair, death and destruction. But what about Darwin's argument? He makes one big mistake â€" he assumes that the world as it is now is the world as God created it. But that is not the case. When you read Genesis One notice the repeated refrain, 'And God say that it was good'. God did not create the world to have natural disasters, cancer and death. Something came into the world which has upset the natural order of things and polluted the whole environment. That is why, as Paul tells us in Romans 8, the whole creation 'groans as in the pangs of childbirth'. We are faced with two choices â€" either the world is as it is because that is the way things are, or things are the way things are because sin came in and corrupted a good and perfect creation."

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