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Comment #260323 by hawt4dawk on October 5, 2008 at 9:09 am

Frankus122

You know your comment about Dan Quayle actually gave me a spark of hope, because I'd almost completely forgotten about him!

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Comment #260322 by hawt4dawk on October 5, 2008 at 9:00 am

DarwinsPitBull --

Sarah Palin's attitude toward creationism is glaringly obvious by the very fact that she is on records saying "teach both sides". This indicates that she thinks there are two sides to teach. Anyone who is not a creationist would never say that, because it is unscientific and proposes to undermine scientific education. Sorry. We just can't afford to do that.

Palin was answering a question from the moderator near the conclusion of Wednesday night's televised debate on KAKM Channel 7 when she said, "Teach both. You know, don't be afraid of information. Healthy debate is so important, and it's so valuable in our schools. I am a proponent of teaching both."

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/elections/story/8347904p-8243554c.html


Let's see if you can defend Sarah Palin without actually attacking Obama, otherwise your case is just weak.

Not A maverick, A Backstabber:
As for Palin's leadership qualities, by your own stated concerns, you should be against her. Sarah Palin had to face an attempt at a recall as mayor because she randomly fired the Chief of Police for "not supporting her administration", which means not doing exactly what she wanted to him to do. She has a history of abusing power, firing people who are qualified, replacing them with people who aren't but who must be loyal to her. Her own party in Alaska is against her because she has stabbed her own party in the back.

Not A Maverick, A Wasteful Spender and A Liar :
She also left Wasilla $20 million dollars in debt most of which went for a new sports arena at the same time as she was making rape victims pay for their own rape kits. She supported the bridge to nowhere until it became screamingly obvious it was political suicide. She herself asked for 8 times the federal earmarks of any other state while she was governor and was criticized by McCain for it. So she is a big liar about pork barrel spending and being "a maverick". She is a bad leader by your own standards.

You surely are inconsistent. You are probably an ideologue and you are probably a troll from the right-wing religious site. Your comment about Obama and the "born alive baby" thing echoes the kind of talk that is going on in Christian right wing sites all over the internet.

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Comment #260320 by hawt4dawk on October 5, 2008 at 8:49 am

CFL - it is depressing. :(

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Comment #260319 by hawt4dawk on October 5, 2008 at 8:44 am

Darwins Pit Bull

Sarah Palin hasn't stood up to big oil really. That's just campaign hype. Here's why:

91 million acres of Alaska's arctic is already open to the oil companies to drill for gas and oil. However, they only drill on 11 million acres on it. Yet they are pushing to open up more of ANWR. Why? If she told them, 'Fellas, get crackin' on that 80 million acres and get back to me about ANWR in ten years!" that would be standing up to the oil companies.

The truth is a huge majority of U.S. lands with gas and oil resources are already open for drilling and only about a quarter are really being put to use. That means the oil companies are basically trying to grab up all they can while not actually providing us with any more product and decreasing our dependence on foreign oil. How is that even remotely acceptable? And, finally, the hard facts are that despite increased domestic drilling since 1994 gas prices have actually only increased.

http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=388&Itemid=70

If anything, Palin's lack of knowledge on the issue is truly shocking. And her husband's job at British Petroleum is, to me, a serious conflict of interest.

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Comment #260311 by hawt4dawk on October 5, 2008 at 8:08 am

Mitchell --

The meerkat standing guard makes peeping sounds when all is well. If the meerkat spots danger, it barks loudly or whistles.
^-^

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Comment #259992 by hawt4dawk on October 4, 2008 at 11:09 am

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Last Greek Standing:

Yeah, that was a Biden gaffe, which the other side are making merry over. Yet, an informed Princess might have called him on it at the time. Of course, Lebanon springs readily to mind when discussing Hezbollah, since they have such major hold there. But he probably was referring to Syria.

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Comment #259989 by hawt4dawk on October 4, 2008 at 11:04 am

Frankus1122 - Wow! How you do make me dizzy with such a compliment. :) I'm not on RD's level, but I do prize facts! Thank you. Anyway, when the lies and ignorance are taken out of the political picture, maybe a discussion of solutions for the huge problems we face as a nation can truly begin. It's a shame so much energy has to be wasted on such an unworthy candidate as Sarah Palin.

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Comment #259947 by hawt4dawk on October 4, 2008 at 8:52 am

About Rev. Wright:

By Barack Obama

http://www.barackobama.com/2008/03/14/on_my_faith_and_my_church.php?source=sem-pm-fts-rw-search-us&gclid=CMCDvYD3jZYCFQSPFQod5Wa0Ew

The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Okay? Obama has denounced him for making those remarks and he has denounced those views. He has rejected Wright's remarks.

Has Palin denounced her minister for his pronounced belief in witches and his personal history of conducting witch hunts? Has she said that when she was receiving the hands-on blessing for protection against witchcraft that she had no idea he was going to say that? If she did, please provide us with a link.

Further on Wrights:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/28/obama.pastor/index.html

Sen. Barack Obama says in an interview that aired on TV Friday that he would have left his church if his pastor had not retired and had not acknowledged making comments that "deeply offended people."

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Comment #259942 by hawt4dawk on October 4, 2008 at 8:43 am

About Obama and Ayers:

The only hard facts that have come out so far are the $200 contribution by Ayers to the Obama re-election fund, and their joint membership of the eight-person Woods Fund Board. Ayers did not respond to e-mails and telephone calls requesting clarification of the relationship. Obama spokesman Bill Burton noted in a statement that Ayers was a professor of education at the University of Illinois and a former aide to Mayor Richard M. Daley, and continued:

Senator Obama strongly condemns the violent actions of the Weathermen group, as he does all acts of violence. But he was an eight-year-old child when Ayers and the Weathermen were active, and any attempt to connect Obama with events of almost forty years ago is ridiculous.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

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Comment #259941 by hawt4dawk on October 4, 2008 at 8:39 am

Darwin's Pit Bull --

If you don't like Obama, fine. He wasn't my first pick either. If you prefer McCain, fine. Make your points about them. You're using what you don't like about them to defend Palin. Any thinking person with the least bit of background information on her can see she is one of the worst candidates in history.

If you want to criticize Obama based on his, records, his behavior, his judgment, or his affiliations, then make your points and clearly delineate what bothers you.

However, I will always be a dog barking at the fence to keep Palin out. As an American, I am deeply offended that the election has been degraded with a candidate as fundamentally flawed and scandal-ridden as this person.

In order to defend her, you have turned to attacking her opponent, promoting falsehoods and ignoring serious problems regarding her lack of education, lack of experience, worrying affiliations, evidence of problematic ideological tendencies, record of gross mismanagement of taxpayer money. We haven't even brought up in this conversation that she is still under investigation for abuse of power in Alaska. The fact that the list goes on that long should seriously concern you.

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Comment #259748 by hawt4dawk on October 3, 2008 at 8:26 pm

Bonzai -

Well at least the idiots who look for these qualities in their leaders are honest

I wouldn't be so sure. After all what if a Democratic female candidate for Vice President took a flight home on a plane while she was in labor negligently putting herself and her baby at risk for getting an embolism, which could cause stroke or heart attack and risking death or brain damage for either her or the baby? What would the Republicans say of Democratic female candidate that did that? What if the Democratic VP candidate gave birth to a special-needs baby and then went back to work three days later? They'd say she was cold-hearted, selfish, career woman. If you've ever held your own newborn in your arms, you know how intensively protective you feel. You wouldn't drag them down to the governor's office for a photo shoot and get back to work if you didn't have to. She wouldn't get away with waving the Mom flag all over the place if she were a Democrat. There is a phenomenal, stinking pile of hypocrisy here.

It is also a very weird thing having a supposedly rational atheist on here defending a candidate who stands for hands-on protective prayers against witchcraft. I still don't see, no matter what your political leanings, how any reasonable person could defend such a candidate for second highest office in the USA.

Roots -- Maybe. There are many successful multi-millionaire businessmen and women out there who don't file for bankruptcy though. I just didn't think he was such a great recommendation for a guru. Besides which he actually attended the prestigious Wharton School for Business... but maybe that's his problem. He learned business in academia! I think he had to go into the entertainment business to save his hiney, unless I'm mistaken. Whatever. It's not important.

I'm off now to try to sleep.

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Comment #259719 by hawt4dawk on October 3, 2008 at 6:42 pm

-- Donald Trump went bankrupt at least twice

-- Sarah Palin served as Governor of a sparsely populated state for 20 months in a state of 670,000 (2006)

-- Sarah Palin was mayor of a tiny town of less than 6000 for six years and she hired a City Manager at the time to help her. She left that town about 20 million dollars in debt.

-- Barack Obama has been a Senator for eight years
in Illinois, which has 12,831,970 (2006)

I personally am sick of the lies and excuses served up by some Republicans in support of an unvetted, bad choice. There were so many others McCain could have chosen. Regardless of intelligence, endless scandals and so on, the policies and solutions they offer simply suck. No way out of Iraq. Terrible health care plan. No plan to get rid of Al Qaeda. More tax cuts for the super rich. More burden on the middle class. Nothing for education. No real commitment to diplomacy. No plan for getting us out of the financial mess. They've got a woman who can barely keep herself together, who is totally unprepared and who has a family to take care of, who has a special needs baby and a teen daughter about to give birth who is going to need her help and we're all supposed to stand up and applaud her and identify with this ordinary hockey mom. They've got a man who is 72 years old and eight years into his 10 year prognosis with melanoma. A man who his partner says knows how to "win the war". Did he learn that while he was sitting in a POW camp in the war we lost? The war that caused the worse division in the nation since the civil war? He knows how to win? Look at his voting record. He has lied his way through this campaign like a man with no soul.

America needs to get over patting itself on the back for ignorance and golly-gee-whiz, hokum-dokum politics and join the rest of the First World in the 21st century.

I am sick of this shit. Shut up.

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Comment #259337 by hawt4dawk on October 3, 2008 at 9:16 am

Don't worry, Decius, since you were the one to call me a zealous meerkat, you're entitled to some royalties! ;)

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Comment #259322 by hawt4dawk on October 3, 2008 at 8:58 am

302. Comment #259125 by Nairb

Hi, thanks for your thoughts and your interest on my little off-topic thing. I managed to get my paper written. I've posted it here, if you'd like to look at it. Please feel free to comment. I'm just getting started understanding the philosophes and their role in Enlightenment, so please excuse my ignorance -- and englighten me! :)

http://zealous-meerkat.blogspot.com/

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Comment #258958 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 2:52 pm

Al - PM for you in a sec.

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Comment #258952 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 2:36 pm

Good night!

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Comment #258949 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 2:29 pm

Colin Powell? I don't recall what the reasons were.

There are lots of comments that I want to respond to, but I am afraid of being a "thread pig." **laughs**

Is that your doggie? Cute baby. :)

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Comment #258941 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 2:19 pm

Thanks you for your concern. I am fine now. I was using my story because it is the most explicit example I can think of how psychological barriers can prevent one from acting in one's own best interest.

What a sad loser. Did he beat you up, or was he just abusing you psychologically?

No, that I would have recognized as abuse. I didn't recognize the mental stuff as abuse until later. I always thought I was at fault somehow any time I had a problem with anyone. No longer. :)

In answer to Peace's questions, it is hard to understand why I wasted so much time.

I think Muslim women, especially ones entrenched in Muslim communities within Britain and Europe, are at a psychological disadvantage and I think legitimizing Sharia family law will only reinforce it. I feel sorry for them.

Goldy -- I didn't understand your point, because it seemed like that was the point I'd just made. It was too much of a blanket assumption that if you're escaping oppression in your country that you're automatically going to understand what freedom really means and how to access it when you get to your new country.

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Comment #258909 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 1:42 pm

Peace -

That's a really fantastic sentence isn't it? I'm trying to get my head around it.

Your head doesn't go around it, silly. It goes in your head! :)

No, really Muslim psychology is different. And then there's victim psychology.

Hypothetical: When you flee oppression from your Muslim country, you go right back into a Muslim community when you get to Britain. You still wear the same clothes, eat the same food, do prayer five times a day with all its ritual, go to Mosque, associate with Muslims, obey your husband The advantage is your husband doesn't get hung up by the neck from a tall crane for all to see.

But he beats you, he criticizes and demoralizes you, he rapes when he wants and controls you. He beats the kids if they make mistakes, if they disobey him. He wants to send the daughter for genital cutting. You know what that's like.

You want to get yourself and the kids away from him, away from his authority. You talk to some women to help you, they suggest Sharia court, because you don't know much about your host culture, maybe you don't even know you have an alternative. So you go. You lose the kids. You get no money. Maybe you get ostracized.

There are psychological barriers that are almost invisible. And I think the fact that the British government has legitimized Sharia for family law is reinforcing them.

It's not my country, but I left my heart in Chipping Camden, so what can I say? I love that country. I care what happens to it. I care what happens to the oppressed people in Muslim societies, too.

As an example of victim psychology, which I have experience, but no academic knowledge of, I had an abusive, controlling boyfriend some years ago. One spends a lot of time blaming oneself and can't really see how incredibly outrageous the behavior of the abusive man is until you get away and have another man who loves you and treats you well tell you, "That fucker, I'll kill him if I ever meet him." One incident was this old boyfriend prevented me from eating for over twenty-four hours because he was holding all our money while we were traveling. When I got angry about it, he left me alone for several hours in a foreign country by myself. He had the hotel key. He didn't even know if I knew how to get back to the town where our hotel was. I thought I would break up with him when I got home, but then his father died and I thought I couldn't. I found reasons to avoid doing it for quite awhile, because I found it so frightening a propsect and because I was afraid of making him angry or hurting him. When I broke up with him, finally, I didn't address any of the real reasons, but only offered him reasons that would save his pride out of fear of retaliation. Am I stupid? Or, to be fair to me, would you say some psychological barriers had been in place and were actually reinforced by the abuse itself?

How much worse could it be for someone where the whole culture is stacked up against you like Islam is stacked up against women? This is one of the reasons I am arguing so hard about this.

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Comment #258879 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 12:57 pm

Nairb -- Arggghghhhg!! I have to write a paper on Rousseau's Discourse on Arts & Sciences. I can't stand him. I'm trying to avoid my homework and misusing my time posting on RDnet. (He would despise me for so many reasons, as I despise him for giving his babies to the orphanages while riding the wave of glory for his rants on virtue. **spits**)

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Comment #258871 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 12:48 pm

This is a Muslim woman's response to Archbishops Rowan's support of sharia.

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/yasmin-alibhai-brown/yasmin-alibhaibrown-what-he-wishes-on-us-is-an-abomination-780186.html

What Rowan Williams wishes upon us is an abomination and I write here as a modern Muslim woman. He lectures the nation on the benefits of sharia law �" made by bearded men, for men �" and wants the alternative legal system to be accommodated within our democracy in the spirit of inclusion and cohesion....

...Look around the Islamic world where sharia rules and, in every single country, these ordinances reduce our human value to less than half that is accorded a male; homosexuals are imprisoned or killed, children have no free voice or autonomy, authoritarianism rules and infantilises populations.

It doesn't matter if the "bad parts" of Sharia are cut off like so many thieving hands, the point is you have only to look at the status of women, children, gays and atheists (obviously there will be no Jewish Muslims) to see what kind of justice the laws of Islam will provide for them even in a country like Britain.


Why can't Lord Phillip repeal this decision? Why won't they?

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Comment #258863 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 12:38 pm

Anyway, Steve and Decius, I am with you on this.

To back up some of your points, I will bring in the arguments of Dr. Patrick Sookdheo, a former Muslim, human rights advocate, jihad commentator and Anglican Canon.


http://www.barnabasfund.org/news/archives/article.php?ID_news_items=386

Embedding shari`a in British law will negatively impact many vulnerable members of the Muslim community: women, children as well as secularists and liberals. They will all face increasing pressure to comply with traditional shari`a norms. Once shari`a is in place, community and religious pressure will make it exceedingly difficult for them to opt to be judged by English law. The Archbishop also ignores the many Muslims who have fled repressive shari`a states to find refuge in a free and democratic British society. ...



...The fact is that Britain has already come a long way along the Islamisation road. Many informal shari`a courts are operating in the Muslim community; there is a parallel shari`a compliant financial system; shari`a regulations such as those to do with halal food, Islamic dress and gender segregation in physical exercises are complied with in schools and educational institutions . ...


... The addition of shari`a courts whose sentences are binding and enforceable by the civil legal system will take Britain much further along the Islamisation track, which is the long-term goal of many Muslim organisations. Contrary to the Archbishop`s expectations, it will narrow the space for free discussion and legitimate criticism, limit the freedoms and rights available to individual Muslims, and empower the more traditional, Islamist and radical tendencies in the Muslim community.

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Comment #258843 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 12:15 pm

Decius -- And I am right of him? Hee heee. At least I don't make children give me enemas!

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Comment #258840 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 12:11 pm

Verylee -- don't you just hate it when someone else gets a response to an idea you posted on another thread? Haha. I do.

It honestly hadn't occurred to me.. too many other scary scenarios to compete with!!

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Comment #258826 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 11:43 am

Peter -- We're freaking, too! This a nightmare (surely even for Republicans, at this point).

Even if Palin never became president, because McCain survived, McCain has shown how bad his decisionmaking and impulsiveness will be.

Yet your point about her sect trying get her into power by getting rid of McCain is something which never crossed my mind before, but which is not entirely an unreasonable consideration.

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Comment #258817 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 11:33 am

Oh, and about that tea in the harbor business, ahem, it was the Indians!

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Comment #258814 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 11:32 am

Sev -- Thanks for the link. But my mind is so suspicious now -- here in this White Rabbit's Hole version of an American election -- I wonder "Is that blog for real or is it just campaign damage control?"

Either way, I wouldn't put it past them.

Verylee:

Philip. One lump or two?

I was asking about Biden's tea of course, not Sarah's shoulders!

LOL!

Philip:
Ah, tea... maybe that's what I need. I feel so stress by all this stuff.

Tez- Don't get killed on her account. That was absolutely astounding as well. The cute, clever, beauty pageant contestant answer is, at the very least, her hometown paper, The Mat-Su Valley Frontiersman!

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Comment #258792 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 11:10 am

PM for you in a minute, Al-Rawandi

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Comment #258779 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 10:55 am

Decius - PM for you in a minute.

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Comment #258773 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 10:53 am

Al - How sickening. Didn't Winnie Mandela participate in actually murdering someone?

Well, that's off topic.

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Comment #258731 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 10:06 am

Peace - I understand completely. :)

Al -

Hi there. I am going to be nice from now on.

Sweet!


Interesting site. We're close neighbors on the chart. Goodness, I'm to the right of Nelson Mandela and Gandhi, but not as close to the libertarian end as you. It's all too complicated! **sigh**

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Comment #258676 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 9:25 am

Peace - eh?

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Comment #258669 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 9:16 am

Al-

Four legs good

So are you a libertarian, too?

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Comment #258643 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 8:43 am

Apeseed:

How can you determine that there had been no coercion?

Indeed. The coercion is inherent.

Please take a look at Crimes of the Community: Honour Based Violence in the U.K.

Muslim women in the U.K. are being sold out. Used as sacrificial goats so non-Muslim politicians can get radical Muslim men off their backs.

http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pubs/publications.php

The following is from Mona Eltahawy in an article written on Women Living Under Muslim Laws:

In a climate of growing right-wing anti-Muslim rhetoric some in the Muslim community find it difficult to stand up to radical Islamist posturing on Sharia. Such hesitation is often based on a mix of reluctance to openly criticize fellow Muslims, and ignorance as to exactly what Sharia means. Archbishops feeling generous to Muslims certainly don't help.

We must resist selling out women's rights and pandering to right wing religionists. That was exactly the point that Bassam Tibi, a Syrian-born German political scientist made at a conference on Sharia I attended in Copenhagen in 2005.

While lamenting European governments' habit of turning to the most conservative in the Muslim community to speak on its behalf, he vowed "In the name of multiculturalism I will not accept cultural rights as a cover for Sharia."

"I believe in Sharia as morality not as state law,"

Tibi said. "I am not willing to shut up about human rights abuses by Islamists just because of the right wing. They are my enemy too...Islamophobia is the weapon of Islamists to silence critics."

Are you listening Dr. Williams?

http://www.wluml.org/english/newsfulltxt.shtml?cmd[157]=x-157-560500

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Comment #258627 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 8:19 am

Get rid of Beth Din as well.

Religious fanatics care only for themselves and their sick fantasies. They are a threat to all our societies.

Just to show that religious fanatics of every stripe are abusers of women and children, please see these articles.


http://www.wluml.org/english/newsfulltxt.shtml?cmd[157]=x-157-562514

Mikhail, who is reluctant to give her full name, had scandalised members of her ultra-orthodox Jewish community by leaving her husband and embracing a secular lifestyle. The men, all members of the theologically conservative Haredi branch of Judaism, tackled her to the ground, slammed her head against the floor and tied a rag around her mouth. One assailant sat on her head as the others kicked her while demanding to know the names of the men she was seeing.

Sorry the link is not working for the following:

Canada: Polygamous communities persist on grounds of 'religious freedom'

17/07/2008: The polygamous communities of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (FLDS) - a branch of Mormonism - have openly practiced forced and underage marriages, incest, and abuse for decades. Under the clause of 'religious freedoms', however, this practice has been permitted to continue in the Canadian province of British Columbia and lengthy court cases have been further delayed by repeated appointments of special investigators.

The most sickening abuses flourish under robes of religion.

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Comment #258585 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 7:31 am

This is disturbing.

Why does YouTube allow videos of three-year-olds talking about Jews being hateful to the sight of Allah and why Muhammed killed them to remain posted?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrm0pVtK_k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZL0C2QvqIlo

edit -- freedom of speech = absence of a threatening (costly) lawsuit.

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Comment #258539 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 6:37 am

Philip1978

I am dreading it, because Biden can sometimes be a big gaffe generator. I think his record shows he is a worthy candidate, but... god knows what will happen in this circus. **cringes**

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Comment #258537 by hawt4dawk on October 2, 2008 at 6:33 am

google

voteforthemilf.com


McCain campaign owns the domain!!

The Republican Party-endorsed presidential nominee owns a domain name which refers to his female Vice President running as a Mom I'd Like To Fuck (MILF).

What if a CEO of a company hired a woman to be his Vice President of Acquisitions and set up a website for her under the domain title SelltotheMilf.com?

Will the degradation of the standards for presidential campaign never end?!

edit -- I've noticed that if you type the URL now it just goes back to Google, but I saw with my own eyes that it led one straight to the McCain Campaign Official website.

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Comment #257447 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 12:54 pm

Nairb -

PS I dont feel that Titania or Decius or Steve have anything to answer for here, I feel they were overall quite reasonable after initially giving Fanusi a chance to explain.

Thanks for your thoughts. I agree with this.


Mitchell - I meant to **makes cute face** when you said I was adorable (katana-wielding meerkat persona ha ha). Roots is cool. You can work it out.

Decius -- Thanks. :)

Peace -- Peace. I get it. I was just trying get clear with Al and I think I thought you were invalidating my complaint. Rethought that.

KaiserKriss -- This may look stupid, but really it is a positive thing. Some of us communicate with each other rather regularly and things got heated and needed a little cleaning up is all.

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Comment #257423 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 12:03 pm

Corylus, Just wanted to say "Hi". Enjoy your posts. You're a very cute mouse and I laugh when you tell people to kiss your furry little butt.

edit -- thanks for the link (it is really unbelievable)

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Comment #257420 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 12:01 pm

Steve - btw, TOTALLY kidding. Just referring to pouting & threatening to leave. :)

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Comment #257418 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 11:57 am

Al-Rawandi (last line of 4075)

Maybe that's why Steve has such an affinity for you. ;) **teases you both**


Al, thanks for your candor. I appreciate it.

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Comment #257390 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 11:28 am

And I'd prefer you to stay.

Final word. I promise.

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Comment #257388 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 11:26 am

Alright, Al. I am attempting a little conflict resolution with you and I can see I have hurt my own cause in getting pissed off when some people jumped in to defend you (don't get angry, folks, that's my perception) and then I characterized your behavior. Mistake. Doesn't help you to see my point.

So, this isn't for me how you treat women. It is about how you treat people, 'cause I get stressed sometimes when you do it to men, too. If you're not gonna change your style, that's your prerogative. However, just to rewind a bit here is what I originally said:

I dread to see you angry. I have respect for you and agree with some of your arguments, but your style is intimidating to me. I thought I'd let you know for what it's worth. You're the only one here that I feel that way about.

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Comment #257371 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 11:08 am

Al -

You review of events was anti-factual, that isn't even how it happened. Now stop picking on me you misandrist.

I love men. LOVE LOVE LOVE.


I've seen you respond positively to feedback before, so I was hoping you might listen.

Ah, well.

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Comment #257366 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 11:01 am

Peace -

If your defense of him is specific to Decius' assertion that his treatment of women is suspect, then please say so to Decius and don't chime in in with a blanket assertion that he's great to women.


I think both things are true. I think he has a taken a stand for women and that he also is quite a bit more aggressive to women posters. When's the last time he said, "Ohhhhh I'm a big mean bully?" to a man? He wouldn't say that. That's meant to mock and intimidate a woman. We're not some wilting flower females in case you hadn't noticed.

By taking exception to Decius comments about Al's character, but not to Al's comments on the characters of Sharon McT and Titania, you're "taking his side" and undermining our attempt to get him to make a change in his behavior toward us.

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Comment #257351 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 10:51 am

Sev -- This thread is 81 pages long!! It definitely will be the Fanusi thread for me. And might I add, I still find it quite sad. I wish he were ... I wish this had not happened.

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Comment #257347 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 10:46 am

Steve - agreed.

Peace -- got it. :)

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Comment #257344 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 10:43 am

Peace & Others -

Your defense of Al is based on posts he makes defending a woman or demanding that women be treated with respect and not be abused by bad language and sexual harassment. This is very much to his credit, but not relevant here.

When female posters here complain, separately, that they feel he is too aggressive and disrespectful in his arguments and his choice is dismiss them because they're female and "quick to complain" and then to quit addressing them altogether.

Al-Rawandi is the one who brought up the word "misogynist." Three women criticized only his behavior (valid), he dodged it by making a character attack on himself by twisting meaning in what another said (childish and invalid).

Please reconsider whether your defense is appropriate at this time.

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Comment #257335 by hawt4dawk on September 30, 2008 at 10:31 am

Peace --

I myself have been quite fond of Fanusi. This situation has been disturbing. A great deal of time and energy has gone into debating with him about Islamic radicalism and its dangers to our societies.

When it turns out he hangs out with people who call Muslims "dune coons," "sand niggers" and wants to see them filled with hot lead AND his reply to that person is to refer to the Gates of Vienna (agreement), it begs the question: Why is he really advocating deportation and stopping all Muslim immigration? Can we trust what he says that he only wants to do that to specific extremists?


I'm sure we can all agree that whatever his views, it doesn't change the fact that Abu Hamza is a seditious and dangerous person (a threat because of his own violent hate talk.)

But determining if a person has a rational basis for argument, as opposed to secret hatred, is relevant to whether we want to engage with an interlocutor on a particular subject.