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Comment #195112 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 6:41 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_stones
How can we tell the above are not as a result of sentient movement? We have natural theories about how they do what they do, but are we sure?
Yes, we are...pretty much.
So, Kardy, you see, there are more than enough clues left to tell if something is natural or "designed"
Of course, we might head off to a crop circle tangent... :-)

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Comment #195110 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 6:37 pm

A better analogy would have been something like Stonehenge. After all, we have no idea of purpose (just educated guessing) and apart from the bluestones, all are naturally occuring materials. How can we tell it isn't natural? How do we know dolmens in Britanny are not natural? Yet, oddly, we can tell.
Or teepee rings, like the one I saw in Canada. Looked natural to me until someone pointed out a few salient features...

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Comment #195106 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 6:28 pm

Or, put another way, suppose that you are an alien that finds the Voyager probe putting around in interstellar space. What would satisfy you as proof that it was designed?

Compare it to natural phenomena and objects.
Edit - And didn't they put a record in one of the Voyagers? Once aliens work out how that plays, they'll probably work things out... ;-)
Edit the second - http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/faq.html
Unlike God, we have left a myriad of clues.
As for AMC Gremlin, again, there is a plaque within it stating that it was made by AMC. It will also have patent numbers. It also has a direct correlation to other cars, all designed. It has also been recorded as having been designed by...probably a committee. Again, unlike the "designer" there are just too many easily accessible clues and records to follow. Our "designer" apparently was shy and hid all clues too well...

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Comment #195023 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 2:49 pm

Easy. If you admit defeat, in that Evolution theory is dead, you are left with only one choice. A designer/creator. It's that simple. The end. What don't you understand about this?

But earlier you said

Spontaneous life? Are you for real? May be spontaneous life in which one then can grow wings and fly away. Talk about fairy tales.

So, which one is it?

Jesus can fill this void. Just trust in him. There has been something done to you in the past that is not enabling you to trust and have faith in a loving and all powerful God.

Well, if spontaneous life can't be "for real" then Genesis is wrong so that must negate some of God's, errr, goddiness. If that bit is wrong, then the Gospels might also be a bit suspect….maybe Jesus isn't actually real… Can I trust you?

Now Behe, he's the new kid on the block. Very impressive. You all should read his work.

Aah, yes, the one that has

Official Disclaimer
My ideas about irreducible complexity and intelligent design are entirely my own. They certainly are not in any sense endorsed by either Lehigh University in general or the Department of Biological Sciences in particular. In fact, most of my colleagues in the Department strongly disagree with them.

See it for yourself at http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/faculty/behe.html
You are an atheist taking the piss, aren't you? Sly dog ;-)

Do animals have free will?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

As it is, I shall call your bluff. Admit it, you are taking the piss :-)

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Comment #194600 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 3:33 am

Keith

RtG has really got nothing going for him at all, poor man: he's deluded, educationally subnormal, dim and rude

He's taking the piss, I am sure. He's as non believing as I am. There are too many cliches and no one who really believes can forget his Bible. No way. If he is for real, I worry about the next election there...

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Comment #194571 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 1:04 am

This guy's American, I think.

The way he has forgotten his Bible, I think he's taking the piss. He's as atheist as I am - if not more so. I mean, c'mon, look at what he wrote - no one can be that stupid...or forgetful! Even txtpiper takes a back seat...which, coming to think of it, he (txty) never contributes at the same time....hmmmm... *strokes chin, mental clogs clank...*

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Comment #194569 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 12:59 am

And spontaneous life makes a case? I did not know that the insane asylum gives access to the internet.

Apparently it does. I believe it is time for your pills.

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Comment #194567 by Goldy on June 17, 2008 at 12:57 am

Spontaneous life? Are you for real? May be spontaneous life in which one then can grow wings and fly away. Talk about fairy tales.

So you deny the following:-

1: 11 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth:" and it was so.
1: 12 And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself, after his kind: and God saw that it was good.


1: 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."
1: 21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1: 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let fowl multiply in the earth."
1: 23 And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
1: 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind:" and it was so.
1: 25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
1: 26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
1: 27 So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them.
1: 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, "Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth."
1: 29 And God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
1: 30 "And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat:" and it was so.

And so Jesus is all a crock of shit too?
My, my - the religious prick is a hypocrite too.

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Comment #194476 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 9:42 pm

Incidentally, what is it with fundamentalist Christians and homosexuality?

Maybe it's a left over fragment of the Hellenisation of the Middle East - they reacted badly to it and it carried down over the ages in their poisonous books. Or something. Certainly it wasn't as big a deal in Europe's dawn...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_greece

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Comment #194475 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 9:38 pm

Eeeevery sperm is sacred, eeevery sperm is great...if a sperm gets wasted, God gets quite irate!
:-D

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Comment #194471 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 9:27 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housefly

Seems we are a vector....and they share our ranges too. Bastards.

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Comment #194470 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 9:25 pm

I was just going to add that as an edit - you type way too fast for me!
Sure about the flies? I'm guessing they must be...but the little buggers look all alike to me...

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Comment #194464 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 9:15 pm

No other animal species lives in the range of environments that we do, from mountains to deserts, from rain forests to ice.

Bloody flies do. And mosquitoes - trust me on that!

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Comment #194458 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 8:51 pm

And all the animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

415. Gay brains structured like those of the opposite sex

Comment #194449 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 8:22 pm

Reading about Lesbian men, I have to say I met quite a few. Nice holiday, it was. I believe some are taking women lesbians to court or something
http://www.mediawatchwatch.org.uk/2008/06/12/lesbians-v-lesbians-in-athens/
Total red herring, please disregard ;-)

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Comment #194426 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 7:09 pm

Don't worry about RtG's Brit jokes - nothing we haven't said ourselves. Besides, it's been done on the Simpsons already...
I, for one, shall wash away the distate by drinking a few fine ales brewed in Blighty :-)
PS, I have very good teeth too. Dentist was very complimentary. Surprised too when i told him I last went to the dentist about a decade ago. No fillings needed then or now - only a wisdom tooth or two extracted - not sure what hurt more - that or his bill!

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Comment #194408 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 6:07 pm

Hmmm, God loves homosexuals but hates their acts.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7456588.stm

Dr Qazi Rahman, a lecturer in cognitive biology at Queen Mary, University of London, said that he believed that these brain differences were laid down early in foetal development.

"As far as I'm concerned there is no argument any more - if you are gay, you are born gay," he said.

He made them that way because he liked the suffering, I guess - shitty god.

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Comment #194402 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 5:47 pm

What do you get when 12 Britain's come together?

12 islands the size of Britain do? Or does it have to be specifically Britain. Hmmm, how does one replicate an island?
And all the animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194390 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 5:25 pm

Shortly you will be the minority

That's odd, thought we already were...
And all the animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194388 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 5:23 pm

There has been a huge swing in the scientific community towards Creation since the movies release.

Hmmm, must have missed that one.
Designer - any proof yet?
And all the animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194361 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Don't you want eternal life?

have to say - for as long as people have been praying for a longer life, they died young. Loads of diseases, high infant mortality, childbirth. Then, when we stop believing and start doing things for ourselves (science), well, well - we live longer! Diseases are still there but curable, childbirth is not as dangerous as previously, children live beyond the age of five. Of course, where they still think prayer is efficacious, the same old pattern continues.
Now, RtG, why do you want to die young?
Do animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194347 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 4:02 pm

You are a sinner. We all are. Don't fool yourself. That's why I pray for your salvation. To help you realize that you are a sinner and need to be saved. Don't you want eternal life?

Prove I am a sinner. You are only making me realise how fucking strange you are.
Eternal life, eh? With or without aging?
Do animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194341 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:59 pm

God gave us free will. Like all of us, our free will leads to sin. Homosexuality is a sin.

Personal conjecture - posit the evidence.
And all the animals have free will too?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194335 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:56 pm

We all have sins and need to repent

I don't.

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Comment #194332 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:53 pm

love is natural. Intimate sex with the same sex is not natural. God did not command them to be together. God does not hate gays. He hates their actions

Gen 1:27
God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them.

So, I'm guessing there was a bit of, ahem, ambidextry to God then, eh? I mean, made man in his image yet this gay thing creeps in...

Seems he fucked up bad in all his creations, eh?
http://www.bidstrup.com/sodomy.htm

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Comment #194318 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:41 pm

Just doing the good lord's work. You shouldn't look down on them, you know.

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Comment #194315 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:38 pm

RtG, it's been fun. You can come out now :-)

It's not...Richard Morgan, the Comeback Tour?

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Comment #194313 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:36 pm

This does not mean it is good for society. You need help. God does love all. It is your actions in which he hates. It is not natural. Can you breed with this person?

God loves you so you're going to eternal torment in Hell. Not, say, writing "I must not fancy men" a thousand times, oh no - eternal torment.
Hey, just thought - trailer trash breed too. Yet RtG professes disdain for them (sin of pride, methinks - buy, are you racking up the sins - guess you'll be bunking next to Steve and his husband, eh?) - but they are only doing God's work by making more trailer trashlets.

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Comment #194308 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:32 pm

I got married because my culturally Buddhist athiest Chinese wife told me we had to. Not sure how that fits in with the Judeo-Christian thing, myself :-)

I am here to help you open your eyes to reality before it is too late. I know my prayers and the prayers of others will eventually turn you from your heathen ways and turn you into a much happier spiritual soul.

Not working, is it? And now you find out there are, gasp, same sex couples here! Damn, that must suck, eh? No amount of praying is going to work for them!
I do have to say, I woke this morning with a terrible case of the shits. I thought it might have been my home brewed beer. Now I am not so sure.
Regarding Hypatia

She lived in Roman Egypt, and was killed by a Coptic Christian mob who blamed her for religious turmoil. She has been hailed as a "valiant defender of science against religion",[5] and some suggest that her murder marked the end of the Hellenistic Age.[6][7]

I'm guessing prayer wasn't good enough for her.

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Comment #194288 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:20 pm

I know my prayers and the prayers of others will eventually turn you from your heathen ways and turn you into a much happier spiritual soul

Personal credulity - please p[osit evidence for this.

Why did you get married. For what purpose? Could it be from the teachings of the Judeo-Christian Bible?

Probably for the same reason Steve married his husband.
Trailer trash, eh? Hmmm, interesting. I knew one in Canada. He was religious. Wonder if there is a connection... ;-) Sorry, ad hom right back at you!

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Comment #194266 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:59 pm

MPhil, I think your Library of Alexandria would make a brilliant anti-theist logo. Are there any existing graphics you think it would be good to reference?

Personally, I'd use a representation of Hypatia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_of_Alexandria

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Comment #194263 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:57 pm

There is grass, as in lawn, and there is the grass you have been smoking your whole life which has caused your innerself to self destruct.

Actually, there are a variety of grasses for the lawn
http://www.lawngrasses.com/
Aaaw, am I getting to you? Starting to annoy you? :-D Hey, fuckflaps, anger is a sin. Tut tut tut! You're going to he-ell, you're going to he-ell!

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Comment #194255 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:54 pm

RtG. Que? House, trailer? Sorry, way over my head there...

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Comment #194253 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:52 pm

A plant is still a plant. A dog is still a dog. So on and so on.

So an oak is just like bulgar wheat. A plant just being a plant is too stupid to even start on. Let's try dogs....well, let's see what we can find
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Canis_species_and_subspecies

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Comment #194239 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:47 pm

I deal with the truth and reality. I refuse to accept a theory which is based soley on circumstantial inferences

God? Jesus? Have you got any real evidence of Jesus? Even the reality of Jesus...or indeed, God?

If Macroevolution is so scientifically factually proven, written in stone, why the debate amongst the scientific community?

There is always debate. A lot of it comes from cryptoscientists like cretinists and IDiots. Anyway, have you not read a thousand posts telling you that everything is falsifiable? If there is no debate, how can something be shown to be false? Idiot.
And there is no such thing as macroevolution. It is just evolution. And a dog is not just a dog, as grass is not just grass.

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Comment #194225 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:39 pm

Hi Goldy. How's the Alfa coming along?

Slowly. Bought a new house. Got the old girl to run but really mistreated the clutch trying to get her on a trailer. Ended up driving her to the new garage.

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Comment #194218 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 2:34 pm

but it seems a bit of a coincidence that cultures on five continents would all choose the same type of disaster to exaggerate.

Kardy, check out my comments to txty - there should be one with Hancock's theory :-) As it is, look on a map or a globe and note where seemingly the majority of settlements lie - that's right...the coast. Easy way to travel, all you need is a boat and it is great for trade (even today, when we can fly).
There was a great melting of ice (no, not the canopy!) after the ice ages. That water had to go somewhere and it would have an effect. And that effect is recorded in mythology.
All found in Google - check it out. Nothing to do with God or gods.

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Comment #194144 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 1:06 pm

Kardy! Long time no hear! Welcome back :-D

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Comment #193781 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 3:29 am

Rev, Steve, admit it, you really enjoy playing these loons!

Oh dear. I am reduced to crying with laughter

And imagine how that is when one is at work! In a shared office with students. Of course, my atheism is well known - but oh, how they laugh too. OK, that's two Hindus and I think a Buddhist (all non believers) but they do enjoy Mike's Happy Athiest Hour :-D
Txty

but I think an ice or ice crystal canopy was involved. I accept this as a possibility for several reasons

No, no, please do tell (stops smirking, puts on serious face)! In all your glorious detail :-) I would have asked earlier, but your pet monkey did keep oh so amused :-D.
So all this precipitation came from the same god that forgot rain? Hmmm, he must have learnt something! And talking of ice - I can assume you read that Hancock ref I gave you? Because ice is so important to the flood myths. You might have noticed a wee map in the ref - I don't know, I am assuming you may have glanced at it...
Now, where are all the major centres of urban living nowadays...and where could they have been then...oh, sorry, yes, your dates are in historical times. I'm sure the Indians and Chinese have all the details written down!

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Comment #193749 by Goldy on June 16, 2008 at 1:59 am

I must offer my most profound apologies, chaps. I may have led our simpleton (yes, that's you RtG) on. Txtpiper isn't worth the breath - he doesn't read anything and then denies all the evidence presented to him (easy really as he hadn't read it).
I should have pressed RtG but, well, he was fun. For a while I thought I had lost him, but he came back :-) And boy did he prove his stupidity!
Ah, well, best get these daemons in me quiet. Got a wheat beer brewed with manuka honey (a home brew) to keep them quiet. Then off to bed to wait for the holy ghost. I dare say the cheery voice of a rather nice lass I work with shouting at me to get into the car (well, with the way petrol has gone, seems silly not to car pool, eh?) will waken me before the figment of RtG's imagination.
Txty, I gave you a fair bit of research - read some before coming here and illustration your arrogant ignorance ;-)
Right, back to the Light Brigade (on the History Channel)
TTFN! And sorry for hogging the show!

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Comment #193710 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 11:45 pm

RtG - do you ever worry you are following the wrong religion?

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Comment #193704 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 11:41 pm

MPhil but Diacanu or any other Mike can answer too. :)

This Mike might have an early night tonight. Dark and rainy here in Auckland. Of course, if Sky has anything interesting to watch, that idea might change :-)

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Comment #193703 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 11:39 pm

I can't. The definition of science does not allow for the supernatural. Only natural laws are allowed in its methodology. Until the inferences of Macroevolution are more than circumstantial, I choose that the scientifically proven complexity of life was created. It is the only reasonable and logical explanation.

Well, there you are - as unsubstantiated claim as any I can ever come up with. Science doesn't allow for magic - no shit. It does not exist. But you have philosophy, physics, mathematics - they should all be able to show something. But no - you have "I don't understand, so I'll accept magic". Well, ain't that just the smartest thing anyone has ever written. You have no proof, so your own personal opinion, totally unsubstantiated and without a scrap of evidence in any branch of thinking, be it scientific or philosophical, must be true.
Have you had your head checked recently?
Why did you come here? Is it some form of self flagellation? Do you realise how many people you are driving away from worshipping your god? You may pray for me - but what is the point? I'll wager you're too stupid to put any prayer in any coherent form to be understood by any deity.
Besides which, how many prayers have you had answered?

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Comment #193698 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 11:29 pm

I accept Microevolution as fact, but Macroevolution is a whole diferent function. You all know the difference whether wanting to admit it or not.

Personal conjecture - provide evidence to support this please. I do not (again - man, you must be fucking dim - do not see the distiction. If I were to walk to Wellington and stop at Manurewa for a rest, does that make my walk to Wellington false?)

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Comment #193697 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 11:26 pm

Inferences are based on faith. So therefore, Macroevoluion is a religion.

And if they are based on educated guesses? Idiot. Actually, pathetic idiot - what are you, a pre-teenager?
I infered on Friday that the All Blacks would beat England. They did - does that make me a prophet?
Your faith is blind. Mine, if I have to call it thus, is not. Therein lies another difference. And mine is not dogmatic (much). Does that still make it a faith?

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Comment #193664 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 10:05 pm

Evolution proponents claim that for something to be proven scientifically it has to reproducible in the lab. Is this not true.

No. Not in the lab. Think about it - how does one compress millions of years in the lab? Idiot. We do have research done with fast turnover organisms - check out some of the other threads, we had some recently. Even then it takes time to get the full extent of the timeframe needed to fully replicate evolution and even then people like you deny it, asking for more evidence and never, not once, giving us any evidence for a designer. And microevolution doesn't exist.

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Comment #193659 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:58 pm

Gotch Ya. I'll ask again. Give me your one strongest example of a tested, verifiable and replicated proof for Macroevolution?

Specualtion on your part. Again, I'll give you the answer than seemingly you appear to have missed...

You know how to use Google - try it.

Or is that too hard for you?

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Comment #193654 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:54 pm

You know exactly the difference. Look who is avoiding now

To save you scrolling up

As it is, I don't recognise macro or micro evolution. All are evolution - the distinction is brought about by cretinists who see the flaws in their IDiocy and try and hide it in cryptoscience.

No avoidance. I don't think it is correct, nor is it science.

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Comment #193653 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:53 pm

Just as I thought. You can't give me one?

You know how to use Google - try it. I could even help you - after all, you are stuck on the purely stone fossil mental mode - DNA would mean little to you. Anyway, telling someone who said..

Not everything needs evaluating. Somethings are just known to be the truth. The Truth, The Light and The Way.

giving you all the evidence is a waste of time, isn't it?

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Comment #193648 by Goldy on June 15, 2008 at 9:50 pm

And, if I may, present evidence that there is a distiction between microevolution and macroevolution. I will wait.