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Comment #218714 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 4:06 pm

I can understand a correlation between intelligence and eating healthily, or between intelligence and overcoming species-centrism so I guess I can see it...

edit: change intelligence to education.

402. Toward a Type 1 civilization

Comment #218702 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm

21, I know we do, but I think that the difficulty of individually overcoming our vestigial, irrational impulses and mental inadequacies will translate into there always being a large number in any type of society who never do. I'm not saying there's a limit to what societies can accomplish in science and economic equity, just that there will always be factions that don't get it.

403. Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

Comment #218672 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 3:26 pm

229, Zara hosts the lemon parties, you must come!

404. Texas Fiction Science

Comment #218656 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 3:11 pm

Obama's going to give it back to Mexico.

405. Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

Comment #218610 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:44 pm

Okay, of the self-described gays, you can get an accurate poll.

406. Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

Comment #218601 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:40 pm

"dative" "ablative"...sorry, it's been years since my one semester of Latin. Back then I would have known what you are talking about.

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Comment #218591 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:36 pm

183, I have no attraction to asian men, except occasionally Japanese.

I would say slightly more gays are atheist than are straights, because a powerful motivator that gets one to start questioning the illogic of religion in the first place is anger and bitterness, and gays have plenty reason for that.

408. Toward a Type 1 civilization

Comment #218579 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:29 pm

11, I mean global democracy and free-market economy of course are possible (not in my lifetime though), but interpersonal relations will always be the way they are because our brains aren't capable of universal, indiscriminate generosity. It's not just our limited innate morality, but also our tendency toward prejudice, faulty belief, etc.

I think there will always be large groups of backward people no matter how far scientifically and socially the rest of the world will go.

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Comment #218567 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:23 pm

Average?! You must have some degree of prosopagnosia if you can't appreciate his juicy masculinity. Also, England is the worst place to be for a gay man, no Latinos anywhere.

410. Toward a Type 1 civilization

Comment #218553 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 2:10 pm

Given that human morality evolved in hunter-gatherer clans whereby the natural urge toward empathy extended little past one's own in-group, I think there's an inherent limit to how civilized and egalitarian human society can become. Type 1 seems feasible, but I don't think it will be all it's cracked up to be.

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Comment #218531 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 1:56 pm

Cartomancer, what do you think of Moritz Bleibtreu? I think he's the sexiest guy in all of entertainment. In case you don't know, he's the actor in Run, Lola, Run.

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Comment #218487 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 1:21 pm

127, sadly, herpes gets around that plenty of times. What you CAN do though (but this would totally defeat the point of sex), is put a sheet of Saran wrap around your penis, then place the condom over that, so that your entire groin area is protected.

Or you could just realize the risk is very low anyway.

413. Red hot enlightenment led me to believe in one fewer god

Comment #218478 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 1:14 pm

Biel has more feminity to her face. Alba's face didn't really reach sexual maturity in my opinion. She looks kind of like a 12 year old.

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Comment #218470 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 1:10 pm

I hate to break it to you, but Jessica Alba probably has herpes, guys. Of course you can't really trust entertainment news sites.

415. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #218436 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 12:44 pm

yes, yes, maybe, I agree,it does, no doubt.

416. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #218410 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 12:05 pm

If the feminist movement as a whole ignores women in islam, then I agree that you can generalize it as hypocritical and inane. I meant that it's not hypocritical for any individual or group in the movement to focus on something OTHER than the more serious issue of women in islam. You already stated a sentiment similar to that before I dragged you into the argument.

I can't feel passionate either way about this Augusta issue because golf bores the shit out of me. It seems like something pretty minor either way.

A little background about me:

I consider myself very realistic about what constitutes racism/sexism. I am against affirmative action. I sided completely with the Harvard President when he put forth the possibility that innate mental differences could explain the gender gap among the science elite. I didn't thing James Watson's remarks (well some were racist) as a whole were logically unsound and horrific like the reactionary idiots in the media. But even to me, you have a bit of a misogynistic tone.

edit: I felt the need to explain myself because I hate that I became the defender of female sensibilities, I've never been on this side before and I HATE it. I feel so dirty.

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Comment #218393 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 11:15 am

435, I wasn't disputing that they don't address the issue of islam (I don't know enough to make that claim). I was disputing the logic that they are hypocrites for not doing so.

Do you not understand by now that we were arguing different things?

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Comment #218385 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 10:55 am

433, Those studies seem to group all forms of aggression together, and I guess you think that all forms are severe (edit: even regardless of injury severity).

I agree it's a tangent, I used it as an example of your data mining and dishonest wording (I think it was intentional, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt). As you can see though, I quickly retracted my claim when I saw that it wasn't supported by reliable statistics. I don't want to argue about this anyway, and neither do you.

My original argument was with your logic, and I reiterated it several times. I also said that I accidentally forced you into an argument you weren't making, and as a result we were at cross purposes. Therefore, your challenge to me is kind of moot.

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Comment #218372 by kkelly on July 25, 2008 at 10:25 am

402, Al, your wikipedia link does not support your case that women are almost twice as likely to be the perpetrators in severe domestic assault. I don't know what you mean exactly by SEVERE domestic assault, do you mean assault that results in serious injury? That appears not to be the case at all.

It does show that contrary to public perception there is parity for acts of physical aggression in general, that is, when biting, scratching, throwing things, strangling, beating to a pulp, smashing heads into walls, are all grouped together.

It looks like you have no problem being sneaky to support your side.

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Comment #217891 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 6:28 pm

366, I bet that if went through them on a case by case basis we'd agree a lot, you just seem really, really bitter. And that's A-O-K.

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Comment #217883 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 6:23 pm

*whips it out in a dramatic show of solidarity*

422. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217879 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 6:18 pm

359, yes, we already established that I have the social skills of somebody on the wrong side of the autism disorder spectrum.

423. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217874 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 6:15 pm

356, you're all the way in Oxford, but thank you, my penis needed that twinge.

424. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217868 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 6:09 pm

whitepearl, it would be hypocritical if they OBJECTED to the plight of muslim women for the sake of multiculturalism, but there's nothing ignoble or ironic about focusing on lesser issues which also need remedying.

I think that I inadvertantly drew Al into an argument he wasn't making, and you're just not really understanding my point at all, which is valid.

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Comment #217799 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 4:41 pm

Yes Laurie, we were at cross purposes. The hair-splitters, mud-slingers, and flame-throwers saw to that (not implicating anybody in particular).

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Comment #217795 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 4:36 pm

321, sigh, his argument was poorly, or barely rather, constructed so I didn't have much to work with, but the illogic of it needed to be commented on. I think it was fairly reasonable to infer that he was contemptuous of them for their, as he saw it, hypocrisy.

But please, it would be nice if you stopped reading ALL my posts, not just that one.

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Comment #217788 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 4:21 pm

Also, I hate that it appears that I got myself into the position of the "offended minority". I agree with him about the inane feminists, his tone and logic just annoyed me.

428. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217780 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 4:07 pm

310, I already said how.

I will paraphrase our sides for clarity's sake. He never used the word 'hypocrite' but of course that was the implication.

He said that their being feminists makes it their duty before anyone elses' to focus on the most serious female rights violations in the world, and that by focusing on less serious matters at home, the ones that concern them personally, their motivation was self-serving and hypocritical.

I said that western feminists don't have the power to change deep-seated cultural and religious practices and sentiments in other countries, so it's not hypocritical of them to focus on less important issues on which they do. Moreover, it's not fair to place the burden of fighting those horrible rights violations on them because they concern everybody who cares about human rights.

His tone reaked of misogynism. I joke around and have no problem with sexist jokes, but he was serious.

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Comment #217761 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 3:39 pm

As for my claim that women make less for the SAME work, I can't find anything besides anecdotal incidents, so I will back off that one.

307, but "tough shit" about male chauvinism in the workplace?! Luckily not eveybody is so dismissive of that.

Anyway, my original objection to Al was his contempt for feminists who focus on matters at home. His stance that they are hypocrites was illogical.

430. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217717 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 2:53 pm

294, Al, it's more subtle. Women still make less than men for the same work, and have to deal with the added hindrance of male chauvinism in the workplace. This is still important to address even though there are serious human rights violations elsewhere. Your tone, before I even entered the discussion, came across as dismissive and arrogant...and you were actually being serious. That's what annoyed me about you.

431. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217620 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 1:16 pm

Well, then it's off to finishing school I go!

432. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217589 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:55 pm

279, Why does it always have to be professional here? I see no problem with my bouncing between serious debate and science discussion and what you consider trolling (I don't), but from now on I'll tip the balance toward the former.

433. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217583 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:49 pm

267, No, I am not clearly out to bait people. I like reading the topics and comments at RD.net. Keep in mind there are many insults directed at me, which I'm fine with, just saying.

If you still think that I intentionally insulted an injured war vet then I can't help you, because it's very clear that I didn't, and that I apologized when I realized my error.

434. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217549 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:28 pm

271, oh god, do shut up you vapid, thoughtless fool.

435. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217542 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:23 pm

268, because vaginas are yucky.

436. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217535 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:19 pm

266, Nobody was arguing that women don't have it far worse in other countries. I objected to your negative characterization of western feminists who focus on western female inequities. I think you're trying to change your stance a bit. For whatever reason I can only speculate.

437. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217524 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 12:09 pm

261, The rule is set up at the local government level, be that township, city, or county. Club owners object to the rules.

438. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217509 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:58 am

256, yeah your cause of lesbianism argument was the most sophisticated of rhetoric.

439. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217506 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:55 am

al, in certain jurisdictions, strippers are not allowed to stand within 3 feet, sometimes even 6, of the person to whom they are giving a lapdance. It's a LAP dance, that means in the fucking lap!! This misogynistic, judeochristian bullshit morality cuts into their profit margin. Happy?

440. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217490 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:43 am

249, Well I hope that it's evident by now that my insults are all in jest.

441. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217482 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:36 am

247, His stance is logically unsound lady, it doesn't matter if I have a vested interest in the specifics.

442. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217472 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:30 am

244, Only if you don't have manboobs. You look like you have manboobs. If I was into boobs my psyche would be torn apart by ambivalence, what with my vaginaphobia.

443. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217468 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:26 am

242, So much you know. My hand is perpetually playing with my pubes, but I think a lot of guys are like that.

243, Oh, I don't know, nor do I really care. I just like arguing.

444. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217454 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:17 am

238, well good for you.

Still bad, you really do have bad verbal comprehension. I'm not saying that in an "I know you are but what am I" fashion. I'm saying it because it's true. Female-rights violations overseas don't temporally eclipse the ones here.

I'm seriously about to prolapse your rectum.

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Comment #217450 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:08 am

236, "Well like I said these feminists are also cowering liberals. Meaning, they don't really talk about the rampant misogynism in the African American culture (rap, etc...). They steer well clear of this and Islam. But when it comes to golf courses they are on the ball. Because most women want to play golf at Augusta while none want to avoid gang rape in the Congo [super-sarcastic btw]."

That's what he's implying.

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Comment #217444 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 11:00 am

234, and some of them do focus on that. The issue is that he says the ones that don't are inane, useless hypocrites simply for the fact that they don't, and I'm saying they aren't.

447. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217434 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 10:49 am

225, That's a horrible analogy. The fire would negate termites as being a problem. Genital mutilation and rape don't negate the more trivial problems women face in our country.

Then write to your fucking congressman, you retard, that's in your capabilites too. You're calling feminists hypocrites (rather, IMPLYING, because I know it's hard for you to understand that different words and phrases can mean the same thing), because they're ignoring an issue that concerns EVERYBODY.

448. Islam subway ads cause stir in New York

Comment #217416 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 10:28 am

217, Where are you getting that the feminist movement ignores them?

And no, it's not necessarily primarily their job. If a feminist is focusing on something less egregious in our own culture it doesn't mean she's a hypocrite for ignoring horrendous female abuse overseas, where she has no power to effect change. We're supposed to just ignore all problems until the biggest ones are solved? Not quite, you idiot.

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Comment #217401 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 10:12 am

214, yeah, some feminists focus on trivial matters which means ALL feminists are idiots.

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Comment #217395 by kkelly on July 24, 2008 at 10:10 am

I really don't get all this feminist hate. Why is it THEIR job to focus on the plight of muslim women in other countries, that's EVERYBODY's job? They live in America and the problems they address here, in our culture, SHOULD be addressed. The militant, rabid, and anti-porn variety is a thing of the past, unless I'm missing something...