Girl Guides drop Queen, God from promise – ABC News


For a century Girl Guides have promised to do their duty to God and serve the Queen. But Girl Guides Australia is about to embrace a new promise, and they have removed any reference to the Queen and God.

The move comes in a jubilee year, but Girl Guides Australia director Belinda Allen says the timing is right.

“The Queen was contentious with a number of our members, not all our members by any means,” she told Lateline.

“It was very much felt that she wasn’t the word required, but people could very much serve her by serving Australia.”

The move follows 18 months of consultation with thousands of members of Australia’s largest volunteer girls group, most of them girls between the ages of 10 and 14.

Ms Allen says the decision is controversial among older members in the group’s 800 districts.

“It’s been a huge, huge decision and it hasn’t been taken lightly at all,” she said.

“We very, very much respect for many of our members that’s a promise that’s dear to their heart and that’s a promise they made as a young women and they have lived by all their life.”

The removal of Her Majesty will be optional, and as a residual mark of respect the name of the guide’s highest honour – the Queen’s Guide – will not change.

Guide leader and Queen’s Guide Gillian Garsia agrees it is time to modernise, but admits it is a bit of wrench.

“We’ve always loved the Queen in my home and watch all the celebrations,” she said.

“[We have] recently been glued to all the jubilee things. I see her as our head of state.”

In the new promise, duty to God is also gone.

“Our members didn’t feel ‘duty to God’ reflected all faiths and belief systems across the world,” Ms Allen said.

Written By: Philippa McDonald
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  1. ‘Out of the mouths of babes and sucklings’! Well done, now perhaps some adult organisations will realise how childish and inappropriate it is to promise to serve Santa Claus or any other imaginary character.

  2. Pass the Thin Mints, god has left the building 😀

    U.S. Girl Scouts is 100 years old.  Perfect time to remove “to serve god” from their promise.

  3. Reason prevails but the apologetics just has to make you wonder at how fickle human minds are for having to severely bend over backwards due employing “sense” in even the most distant of contexts!

    It’s a perfect example of just how getting it right is not something that comes naturally to the human mind or any collective group thereof.

    Bravo, but still….. the mind pains itself for daring to think!

  4. Good. While over hear in Canada we’ve decided to pretend to be Royal idiots by renaming our military back the the Royal Canadian whatevers. Off with her head! Off my money that is ; )

  5. Well done you Aussies. Time we Brits did the same. I don’t let my boys join the Scouts because of the God connections. Shame I have to deprive them but in my view its far better to keep them out of the way of possible indoctrination.

  6. Excellent progress on both anachronistic references.   Another reduction in the religious grooming process.

  7. A great result. Interesting that they abandoned gods altogether instead of just replacing it with something like “my god”.

  8. The Cub scouts had a similar pledge in Canada.  I had a problem with it as an 8 year old. I just mumbled. Surely the American girl guides don’t pledge to the queen.  I would think the guides would want a uniform pledge suitable for use in any country.

  9. “but people could very much serve her by serving Australia.”

    This mentality is obscene to me, serve a super privileged, do-nothing, know-nothing female primate based on anti-human anachronistic tradition?

  10. One hot summer’s day at my sports club, about 50 UK Boy Scouts competed for their annual City Scouts ‘Cricket Champs’ trophy (4 teams of 11players). While quenching their thirst, I overheard some of the older boys discussing their stress at passing a compulsary Scouts ‘prayer exam’. That morning, while preparing the cricket square, I asked 2 of my clever Under 15’s team ‘allrounders’ the following: “How many gods are there on this planet?” Both said, “Ah, Mr.M. there is only one god – and that is Allah”. Moments later, I asked the same ‘memetic’ question to a 3rd, younger boy and he said, “Let me think now Mr.M . . yes it depends where you are in the world”.  Suddenly, one of the others elbowed him in the ribs and then the youth “corrected” himself and said, “Oh, no sorry Sir, Allah is the only one” . . .”You need a god to make you good” ! ( Wow, how wonderfull. I’ve just seen 10 FEMALE gooseanders “synchron’d diving” for fish down our flood-swollen river! Must be the girls UK Olympic team ! 😉       

  11. Ya just gotta love how God and The Queen appear to have been given equal stature in this oath.

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