Helping victims of a College Education

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ONE tragic side effect of modern education is that it leaves many young people more obtuse than they were when they first entered college or university. They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, and not knowing God, or with no vibrant relationship with him. Yet, having thus become no-brainers and no- hopers, they think they are so cool.

But what could be more idiotic than to look at this wonderful world in which we live, and think that it is simply the result of a billion billion freaky accidents? Even primitive tribes had more gumption than that.

Professor Richard Dawkins, if he found himself on a desert island, might wake up one morning to find his name written in the sand and think, “Gosh, the crabs around here are very evolved.”

Most of us, however, would conclude that the writing was done by a human being who knew our name. And nothing would convince us otherwise. In other words, if something bears the marks of intelligence, then we look for an intelligent cause.

And if we can say that about writing in the sand, a painting or a computer, we can certainly say it about the complexity, wonder and beauty of nature.

Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by modern education could fail to see the extraordinary intelligence and love behind creation.

And a bit more reasoning would lead us to God, the supreme being with this intelligence, love and creative power.
There is a PDF of their hardcopy newspaper, the article “Helping victims of a college eduction” is at the top of page 4

Written By: Gerard Murphy
continue to source article at alive.ie

75 COMMENTS

  1. The immediate non sequitur, “They think they are so cool.” flagged warning signals immediately. Cool does not follow from opposition to credulity.

  2. I don’t think “the pond” is relevant. This is Catholic drivel and Catholic drivel is worldwide.

  3. When articles like this target particular individuals like Prof Dawkins, they target every free thinker- RD and others have only had the intestinal fortitude to speak out widely in the media against this opressive garbage. All free thinkers should do the same at every opportunity. The remainder of the article contains the same watchmaker argument we have heard many times before. Yawn.

  4. ONE tragic side effect of religion is that it leaves many young people more obtuse than they were when they first entered religion. They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, still believing in God, and with no vibrant relationship with reality. Yet, having thus become no-brainers and no- hopers, they think they are so cool…

  5. He is absolutely right! Of course the complexity, “wonder and beauty of nature” is proof for the existence of a god! And that god is, of course… Zeus!

    Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by catholic education could fail to see that!

    Tragic, that churches and sunday-schools everywhere lead people away from something even the ancient greeks could realize!

  6. Now if the author had been arguing to help victims of state financed religious education I’d be behind him 100%.
     

  7. Yes, they are obtuse because they DO NOT believe in the magic crackers, the Holy Haploid Zombie, the sin of homosexuality and birth control, and the exclusive access to facts of the Universe given to an old man in a dress.

  8. Ratzinger himself had written books supporting evolution! What is going on?? They are so desperate that they are now aligning with young earth evangelical protestant nitwits!! I’m telling you, this is absolutely a partisan political move! Bottom line, the Catholic church needs money and I am sure they are receiving it from creationist multi millionaires like Ted Haggerty. They are like whores. Should they disclose who is funding their lawsuits against the government? I think so!

  9. Does anyone have the email address of this character?
    I’d like to personaly thank him for strengthening my faith in Thor. His mighty hammer will rule our world into the future!

  10. A person, especially a freethinker or atheist, should never forget that the Catholic Church is the most successful, continuous con job on the planet, lasting almost 2,000 years, serving those whose minds can not or will not do independent freethinking.

  11. At first I thought that this was a parody, since the logic is all wrong. But then I realized there is somebody (many people, I fear) who really do believe what the author describes. 
    It is worrying that somebody would actually use the words “victims of a college education” in a title and not mean it sarcastically. And that they are financially backed by lots of other people. Scary.

  12.  ONE tragic side effect of modern Catholic indoctrination is that it leaves many young
    people more ignorant and gullible than they were when they were born.

  13. “And nothing would convince us otherwise.” Well if you’re going to write that it takes all the fun out of posting a comment – but I suppose it’s ‘us’ who are closed-minded (with a “
    crippled and prejudiced” mind)!

  14. Why must natural processes continually be dubbed accidents? Their often deterministic nature should dispel this accusation outright, but even if they weren’t deterministic, how would this qualify as an argument in the first place? Coincidences happen all of the time, many of which are exceptionally mind boggling. Any given coincidence may be improbable, but coincidences themselves are not. So how does “that’s a very unlikely coincidence” in any way mean “there must have been divine intervention”? Were that the case, our deities should be considered to be micromanaging the universe on an insane scale.

  15. Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by Bronze Age ignorance could fail to see the extraordinary beauty and truth behind natural evolution.

  16. I’ve a copy of the entire newspaper,I just moved into an apt in Dublin city centre and I fear I’ll be getting my monthly copy regardless. I’ve just been avoiding even touching it,so,on opening page 7,there an article entitled “Church has the only sane view of sex”. I might just post it. Let me read through it 1st if I can withstand not throwing up/LMAO in the mean time…

  17. WTF, is this article written as a troll attempt?

    It’s literally inversion of what a reasonable person would say.

    *reads “CATHOLIC MONTHLY NEWSPAPER”*

    oh..

  18. You’ve all missed the bombshell on page 10 of this “magazine”: in reference to child-rearing, it clearly states that “Man and Dad are best”…Catholic Church in acceptance of gay fathers shock!

  19. ok so let me get this straight. getting an education makes you think you’re cool when you’re not and makes you a thicky “no-brainer” (such as richard who, as we all know would attribute writing in sand to highly evolved crabs unlike hip cool catholics who like, know stuff, so duh).

    have we reached a new high in christian intellectual critique?

    Newman and Badiel’s “History Today” anyone?

  20. Jesus promised to do away with wicked people.

    Thor promised to do away with frost giants.

    …I don’t see any frost giants, do you?

  21. People, I present to you humanity’s least thoughtful person. So shallow of mind, toddlers mock his logic. 

    Actually, If you follow his logic, where a stupid thing is said, there must be an idiot.

  22. And if we can say that about writing in the sand, a painting or a computer, we can certainly say it about the complexity, wonder and beauty of nature.

    The argument from design?!?! Facepalm and headesk!!

    It’s 2012 for goodness sake, has Mr Murphy been living in a cave sans WiFi?

  23.  What a remarkable rag. These amateurs always try to present the design argument as if they had just thought of it. To expect consistency here from the rank and vile of the RCC is to mistake the led for the leaders. The powers of the church expect those they control to ornament and entrench the bigotries justified by their theology. Wanting their congregations to be ignorant they have the concomitant need for censorship and closed communications, like this appalling rag. That is already out of their grasp and, blind to their own credibility gap, they assume of others an ignorance to match their own. Look how many stories are an attempt, in desperation, to engage ‘young people’.

    …and more ‘opinion’ and less facts than even the Daily Mail.

    As to the Pope; what Ratzinger says and what he doesn’t do (eg in re Sanal Edamaruku) define him.

  24. Why not burn your next copy and place it outside the door for them to enjoy as they drop off another. Or edit it. Write commentary on it for them to read as they walk around the neighbourhood, ruining lives. Point out the bullshit and whatnot.


  25. Most of us, however, would conclude that the writing was done by a human being who knew our name. 

    But those enlightened by religion would immediately know, without a shadow of doubt, that Jesus Christ Himself had arrived on that island in the night and left that message as clear instruction not to cut one’s hair, wear mixed fibers or to eat those delicious crabs. He clearly then left by ascension leaving no trace of His departure.  An obvious miracle. 

    To suggest that such a miraculous appearance of those specific words could be due to the mundane contrivance of another human being  is to stretch the imagination too far.  Why the odds are billions and billions to one that a random person could randomly float to the island and write those letters randomly – which just happen to spell “Richard Dawkins”  – and then randomly float away again. Math proves it.  It’s statistically impossible

  26. < In other words, if something bears the marks of intelligence, then we look for an intelligent cause.>
    Exactly correct, and when we evaluate the results of our observations and identify natural causes could explain the phenomenon then we correctly conclude that our fallible human mind interpreted agency when there was none. The end result being that of newly acquired knowledge of  both the world around us and our own limited capacity to reach valid conclusions about the universe without the aid of additional methods. Some how the author forgot to mention the latter!

  27. “They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, and not knowing God,”

    So the education worked then?

  28. ONE tragic side effect of modern education is that it leaves many
    young people more obtuse than they were when they first entered college
    or university.
    They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, and not knowing God, or
    with no vibrant relationship with him. Yet, having thus become
    no-brainers and no- hopers, they think they are so cool.

    Oh dear!  Put the mirror away dumbo!

    But what could be more idiotic than to look at this wonderful world
    in which we live, and think that it is simply the result of a billion
    billion freaky accidents?

    I’ve read enough!  Somebody start to educate this muppet, if he is not too far gone to be beyond redemption ..  and give him his medication … .. . ! 

    What could be the ultimate in the idiotic – have another look at the OP rantings of anti-educational ignorance!

    Even primitive tribes had more gumption .. …. than
    that .. .

    … … than that author! ,, ,, , , Gazoinggggggg !!!

  29. My first reaction was that this was The Daily Mash and then on another page I saw a reference to the arch paedophile enabler cardinal Brady. The Mash is full of nasty items(but funny of course) but even the Mash would not include that fucking arsehole in copy, so it must be a real Oirish Catlick piece of toilet paper!

  30. “Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by modern education could fail to
    see the extraordinary intelligence *and love* behind creation.”

    This is the part that always amazes me.  Even if the complexity of the natural world could somehow prove that an intelligence of some kind must be behind its creation, how do people somehow make the leap from “an intelligence of some kind” to “the loving God described in our particular set of scriptures”?

  31. What an astonishing outpouring of vitriolic gibberish. “Dim-witted lecturers”, “No-brainers and no-hopers”, “Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by modern education”. Does this lunatic actually really believe that anyone with more than a primary school education has been made more stupid by learning “stuff” rather than the opposite or that anyone sentient would think writing in sand had been done by crabs? It’s so mind blowingly preposterous from start to finish I’m struggling to keep calm.

    I’ve done my share of debating fundamentalist nitwits with their trite and pointless arguments about why they think the flood really happened or that the universe is really only 6000 years old but I’ve never been so gobsmacked at the stupidity these people can muster as after reading this drivel. I can only conclude that Mr Gerard Murphy is actually insane. Not just stupid, bigotted and blinded by the rose tinted view through his “god glasses” but really clinically barking mad.

    Surely even amongst the most rabid fundamentalist hard liners there can’t be much demand for views this extreme. I have to hope that no matter how barmy your views on religion are most people would aspire to having their children get a college education rather than spend their lives wallowing in ignorance as this crackpot would seem to espouse.

    It reminds me somewhat of the Amish who only teach their kids just enough to be able to read and write, plant crops, hand wash their clothes and daren’t go an inch further into physics or chemistry or biology for fear they’ll realise that everything in the BuyBull is nonsense and reject it out of hand.

    You see ignorance really is bliss when it comes to swallowing the lies of religion hook line and sinker. Only those who preach bronze age mysticism as fact can be so terrified of real education and real knowledge. It’s anathema to everything they’ve been blinded by and try so desperately to pass on to the next generation.

    What fear Mr Murphy must constantly live in as every new scientific advance takes us closer to understanding our universe and explaining why no “creator” is necessary in its story and further away from believing his biblical bullshit. No wonder it’s driven him mad.


  32. Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by modern education could fail to 

    see the extraordinary intelligence *and love* behind creation.”

    What is intelligent and loving about creating a universe that is 99% uninhabitable for humans, and that has so much pain, anguish, misery etc. in it?

    Methinks this person needs to get an education.

  33. He’s right you know, every idiot can see design in nature.  It took genius to see the truth. 

  34. Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by religion could fail to
    see the extraordinary stupidity of this entire article!

  35. @phil.whitfeld”ONE tragic side effect of religion is that it leaves many young people more obtuse than they were when they first entered religion. They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, still believing in God, and with no vibrant relationship with reality. Yet, having thus become no-brainers and no- hopers, they think they are so cool…”
    Make that “false-hopers” and you’ve got it!

    @JustATeensyBitStrident
    “You’ve all missed the bombshell on page 10 of this ‘magazine’: in reference to child-rearing, it clearly states that ‘Man and Dad are best’…”
    Priceless!! But the entire thing, every blessed page of it, is pure comedy gold.
    Steve

  36. Or maybe it’s because people get educated and can see the real, full world, rather than the fluffy-bunny one they project, and realise no sane, intelligent and above all, loving God would create a world like it. And that any creator is a cruel, sadistic, selfish, mean-spirited being for whom praise is the last thing he deserves. The real irony is that that pretty much sums up the creature in the Bible and that’s where they say education should come from!

  37. I’m thinking of writing an e-mail to that “newspaper”. They have an address on their website:[email protected]
    My angle of attack will be about the fact that the writer of the article (Gerard Murphy) has basically referred many educated men in the Vatican (including the Pope) as being idiots.

  38. Force Nine Face Palm!

    Only a mind crippled and prejudiced by religious dogma could fail to see the extraordinary lack of intelligence and vapid ignorance behind creation myths.
     
    But what could be more idiotic than to look at this wonderful world in which we live, and think that it is simply the result of a god who created the entire cosmos just so he could watch us struggle with good and evil and damn people for all eternity for wearing the wrong fibres, eating the wrong food and shaving their temples?
     
    The Cathlick News should stick to fancies about fake stigmata, exorcism, worthless miracles and relics in the tradition of their menadacious ancestors. Discussing the origin of the universe is a scientific matter and they should refrain from getting involved until they have a rational argument that reason can act upon.
     
     

  39. Reads like one of those4 silly polemics against drugs that we used to laugh at almost 50 years ago. Cliche ridden, full of misinformation and brimming with logical fallacies.

  40. They really are in a terrible tiz wazic tail spin of epic proportions…in fact so hysterically panicky that fail to see what they actually write in their brain fart.

    Absolutely  first class asinine codswollop.

    What is really ironic is the only dumbfucks that will nod in agreement with such bitter bollix will be the cretins that did not make College Education!…huzzah! hoisted by their own stench of jealous and frighted insanity …complete drooling clowns the lot of ’em!

  41. “Most of us, however, would conclude that the writing was done by a human being who knew our name. And nothing would convince us otherwise.”
    Aaaah… the power of wishful thinking.

    Nice of you guys to throw us such comic drivel once in a while. 

  42. Catholic Monthly Newspaper? Are you sure you didn’t spell that wrong? I’m pretty sure the correct name is The Onion.
    This article is so poor, there’s no use picking it a part. The text does a pretty good job discrediting itself. And browsing through the rest of the PDF-file, none of the material deserves any journalistic points.

  43. It is because of the prevalence of clowns like this that irony does not seem to work in America.

  44. If someone tells you they are “catholic”, you will still not be able to tell whether or not they use birth control, believe in evolution, or believe that the transubstantiation is real and not just symbolic. It has become a meaningless word that exemplifies how people bend the beliefs to whatever suits them, while at the same time claiming that they don’t.

  45. lol, This is so funny!! This should be used to illustrate logical fallacies.

    Professor Richard Dawkins, if he found himself on a desert island,
    might wake up one morning to find his name written in the sand and
    think, “Gosh, the crabs around here are very evolved.”

    But would he eat the ones that look like they have faces of old fishermen?

    And if we can say that about writing in the sand, a painting or a
    computer, we can certainly say it about the complexity, wonder and
    beauty of nature.

    Ugh, Oh no, this author must be the person who came up to me several times at an outdoor painting event and told me “Let the hand of God guide you.” It was the worst painting of the day.

  46. “Most of us, however, would conclude that the writing was done by a human being”

    Exactly!  Perhaps in a depressed stupor having learned that you are marooned.

  47. They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, and not knowing God

    Should have read:

    They end up with their B.A.s, Ph.D.s or M.Sc.s, and learned they don’t need to know God

    The rest of the article is just head shaking drivel.

  48. Unfortunately, the target audience for this article has already been “converted” and has no need or desire for substantive debate – general comments that include emotionally charged references (no-brainer, no-hopers, crippled and prejudiced minds, etc.) without any solid argument for the existence of god are all they need.  No one for whom this article/publication was written will find the flaws that are so blatantly obvious.  This is why the Catholic Church is against abortion and contraception – it enables the breeding of similarly weak-minded followers and their numbers grow exponentially until the world is overrun with them.

    As an aside, I wonder if this author, finding himself afflicted with some horrible disease, would rely on the mercy of god for a cure, or if he would avail himself of modern medicine, advanced by scientists who did not stop at “god” as the reason behind natural phenomena and were “tragic victims of modern education.”  Funny how relgious people advocate so vehemently for the existence of “god,” yet rely on science for their everyday functioning.

  49. Who posted this and why?
    0/10, if sincere, GTFO you moron.
    3/10 if just parody.  Try harder.

  50. “Helping victims of a college education”
    There you have it ladies and gentlemen, you are a victim, if you select critical thinking over dogma. Put another way, if the brainwashing of this cult is undermined by public education you are a victim of abuse!
    What better example could there be that religion depends on ignorance?
    It’s one thing to be taught concepts that are later demonstrably incorrect, it is another to maintain discredited ideas in the face of current evidence

  51. I don’t see that the article mentions anything about evolution – just “knowing God”  which is pretty vague and not even directly roman catholic.

  52. This article is a dishonest discourse because it says that the beauty and wonders of nature are proof of the existence of God. They always speak of the beauty of nature and the wonderful life here on Earth, but they want us to ignore the terrible suffering of millions of human beings, throughout the ages, due to wars, famines, terrible diseases caused by minute creatures that are also supposed to have been created by God, and natural disasters. Is this also proof of the existence of a magical being who loves us above all else? These articles have always been saying the same for centuries without a change in their discourse. Religious people are very predictable. The victims of religious education are the ones who need much help.

  53. I didn’t bother clicking the link for the entire article, but from what is excerpted here, Mr. Murphy is really quite an amusing writer.

    Virtually every sentence includes something so wrong-headed and condescending that it takes my breath away.  His analogies are vividly stupid, and his Straw Men are overstuffed with kindling. 

    If this is the best that the theists can muster, then their days are numbered.

  54. I don’t know if it’s harder to laugh or feel depressed at this stuff.

    At first you LOL, but then you’re like, sigh…

  55. Murphy is correct! The greatest danger to religious belief is a college education.  Only an unfortunate  few can leave college with their willful ignorance entirely intact.

  56. It is amazing that in light of the craziness that is the american evangelical movement the catholic church tries to describe itself as the voice of reason and moderation ministering to the needs of the faithful.  The flock would be better off being ministered by a pack of wolves.

  57. Gerard Murphy needs education. Would anyone here be willing to pitch in for a scholarship for him?

  58. “Professor Richard Dawkins, if he found himself on a desert island, might
    wake up one morning to find his name written in the sand and think,
    “Gosh, the crabs around here are very evolved.””

    … and proceeds to build his entire case on something that he imagines happening in a completely fictional situation.

    More evidence that religious apologists seem to be complete feckwits who couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag.

    Accept no compromise. Do not accommodate.

  59. @chunkimunki

    “Professor Richard Dawkins, if he found himself on a desert island, might wake up one morning to find his name written in the sand and think,  “Gosh, the crabs around here are very evolved.””

    .. While cretinists would think “god-did-it”, and rationalists would actually search for, and attract,  the rescue teams that had left the message – to try to make contact!

    As you say:-

    More evidence that religious apologists seem to be complete feckwits who couldn’t think their way out of a wet paper bag.

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