Polish MPs back near-total ban on abortion which could see women jailed for up to five years

By Matthew Day

Women who have abortions could be jailed for up to five years under a law backed by Polish MPs which would almost completely ban terminations even in cases of rape or incest.

On Friday the lower house of parliament in Warsaw rejected calls by pro-choice MPs to throw the bill out and allowed it to clear its first legislative hurdle by sending it to a committee phase for further reading.

At the same time MPs voted to strike down a bill proposed by a pro-choice group aiming to liberalise Poland’s already strict abortion laws. The current laws, dating back to 1993, only permit the process if the mother is in danger, the foetus deformed or the pregnancy is the result of a crime.


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  1. @OP – Women who have abortions could be jailed for up to five years under a law backed by Polish MPs which would almost completely ban terminations even in cases of rape or incest.

    Once these sorts of ignorant religious bigots gain political power, it can take decades to lever their dictatorial perverted grip from other people’s lives and rights! – even after a majority of citizens recognise their anti-social stupidity and their determined incompetent interference in the personal matters of others.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37462862

    Thousands of people have marched across Dublin and 20 other world cities to protest against Ireland’s strict abortion laws.

    Protesters are calling for a referendum to repeal the laws in the mainly Catholic country.

    Across Twitter #repealthe8th hashtag was popular among supporters, referring to the 8th amendment of the Irish constitution that forbids abortion.

    Abortion is only legal in Ireland if the mother’s life it at risk.

    Marching in the rain, protesters in Dublin chanted, “My body, my choice”.

    Sal Roche, a 42-year-old dance teacher participating in the march, told Reuters news agency: “It’s a woman’s right to choose and it is ridiculous to say that anybody else, the state or the Church, has the right to tell that woman what happens to her body.”

  2. Anything but addressing the social conditions that result in unwanted pregnancies and having compassion for fellow human beings in their time of need.

    Oh, you had an unwanted pregnancy? You are an evil whore and should be shunned for the rest of your life. Oh you had an abortion? Now you are also a murderer and deserve incarceration and to burn in hell for eternity. Oh, you say you asked Jesus for forgiveness? Then never mind, now you deserve eternal bliss.

    What could possible go wrong with this social construct?

  3. A third component (reportedly) added to the chex mix, is the consideration of tight(er) restrictions on IVF.

    Bottom line – have children, but only in the way goD intended.

    Save Women is supposedly having another rally 1 Oct. I like one placard that says “how long do I have to keep protesting this shit?“.

  4. bonnie2 #5
    Sep 28, 2016 at 10:30 am

    A third component (reportedly) added to the chex mix, is the consideration of tight(er) restrictions on IVF.

    Well!
    We can’t have those damned scientists eliminating god’s inherited diseases – or reducing that important suffering, beloved and inflicted by “Saint” Teresa!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37485263

    Dr John Zhang holding the baby boy who was conceived thanks to the new technique that incorporates DNA from three people
    The world’s first baby has been born using a new “three person” fertility technique, New Scientist reveals.

    The five-month-old boy has the usual DNA from his mum and dad, plus a tiny bit of genetic code from a donor.

    US doctors took the unprecedented step to ensure the baby boy would be free of a genetic condition that his Jordanian mother carries in her genes.

    Experts say the move heralds a new era in medicine and could help other families with rare genetic conditions.

    But they warn that rigorous checks of this new and controversial technology, called mitochondrial donation, are needed.

    It’s not the first time scientists have created babies that have DNA from three people – that breakthrough began in the late 1990s – but it is an entirely new and significant method.

    The US team, who travelled to Mexico to carry out the procedure because there are no laws there that prohibit it, used a method that takes all the vital DNA from the mother’s egg plus healthy mitochondria from a donor egg to create a healthy new egg that can be fertilised with the father’s sperm.

    The result is a baby with 0.1% of their DNA from the donor (mitochondrial DNA) and all the genetic code for things like hair and eye colour from the mother and father.

    Dr John Zhang, medical director at the New Hope Fertility Centre in New York City, and his colleagues used the method to make five embryos – only one of them developed normally.

  5. The WHO estimates that between 40 and 50 million abortions are performed in the world each year.
    If every unwanted pregnancy were brought to term; every aborted “child” came into the world,
    the supplemental increase in population would be around one billion “extra” people added every 20 years,
    or five billion a century. Assuming each woman among the five billion had a replacement fertility rate of 2.1 children = the woman replaces herself and her partner, then the “extra” population added to regular population growth doubles to around 10 billion people. Statistically, after two hundred years world population could
    increase, depending on other factors, to around 30 billiion. Abortion is both a crucial form of birth control worldwide and a check on runaway population growth. ( Fertility above replacement levels could lead to more
    catastrophic increases at a faster tempo.)

  6. Meanwhile, as the political bigots exercise their delusions, the women aren’t going to passively accept this!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37540139

    Women in Poland have gone on strike in protest against proposals for a total ban on abortions.
    They marched through the streets wearing black as a sign of mourning for their reproductive rights.

    Women who oppose the ban are staying away from work and school and refusing to do domestic chores, in a protest inspired by a women’s strike in Iceland in 1975.

    Anti-abortion protests are being held around the country too.
    IVF curb

    Women took to the streets of the capital city, Warsaw, in a pro-choice march on what they are calling “Black Monday”.

    It is unclear how many women are taking part in the action and how widespread it will be beyond big cities.

    Will Poland impose a total ban on abortion?

    If the law – which has cleared one parliamentary hurdle so far – goes through it will make Poland’s abortion laws as restrictive as those in two other countries in Europe: Malta and the Vatican.

    Women found to have had abortions would be punished with a five-year prison term. Doctors found to have assisted in an abortion would also be liable for jail time.

    Abortion is already mostly banned in Poland.

    Critics say the tightening of the law could mean women who have a miscarriage are also investigated, on suspicion of having had the pregnancy terminated deliberately. At early stages of pregnancy, miscarriages and abortions have indistinguishable symptoms.

    One protester said: “We are saying ‘enough is enough’ over what is happening, to what the government, the Church and the so-called pro-life organisations are planning for women.

  7. It seems this was a meddling, “deluded, bigoted, citizens’ initiative”, arising from a petition from the uncaring ignorant, rather than political issue.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37573938

    Poland’s parliament has voted overwhelmingly to reject a controversial citizens’ bill for a near-total ban on abortion.

    The government said that protests against the bill had given ministers “food for thought”.

    Poland already has among the tightest abortion laws in Europe, and the proposal sought to ban all abortions unless the mother’s life was at risk.

    MPs voted to reject the bill by 352 votes to 58.

    The bill came from an anti-abortion citizens’ initiative that gathered some 450,000 signatures. However, it was not sponsored by Poland’s ruling, socially conservative Law and Justice party (PiS) and MPs were given a free vote.

    Protests against the proposals were held in cities across Poland on Monday and appeared to prompt the PiS to swing against the bill.

    Prime Minister Beata Szydlo distanced herself from a change to the law and Deputy Prime Minister Jaroslaw Gowin moved to reassure women on Wednesday that a total ban would not get through. “Abortion will certainly not be banned when the woman is the victim of rape or if her life or her health is in danger,” he insisted.

  8. The bigots ignorant preconceptions in their claims about “right to life”, lead them to interfere in all sorts of important decisions which other people need to make.
    “The right to death”, is another area where they meddle!

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/07/archbishop-desmond-tutu-asks-for-the-right-to-an-assisted-death/

    Archbishop Desmond Tutu – whose life and struggles have inspired millions around the world – has said he wants to have an assisted death and end his life by his own choosing.

    Writing on the occasion of his 85th birthday Archbishop Tutu said he does not want to be kept alive “at all costs” and maintains his right to decide when to depart from this world.

    The Archbishop first spoke of his support for assisted dying two years ago, but this is the first time he has said explicitly that he would choose it for himself.

    He said: “I have prepared for my death and have made it clear that I do not wish to be kept alive at all costs. I hope I am treated with compassion and allowed to pass on to the next phase of life’s journey in the manner of my choice.”

    The Archbishop’s words come after he was admitted to hospital last month for surgery to treat a series of recurring infections and it is understood the experience brought into sharp focus the imminent prospect of death.

  9. A4d

    From that same article you linked to:

    He went on to state that he had reversed his lifelong opposition to assisted death in 2014, but had remained more ambiguous about whether he desired it for himself.

    Now, however, he says: “Today, I myself am even closer to the departures hall than arrivals, so to speak, and my thoughts turn to how I would like to be treated when the time comes.”

    It seems that he strongly blocked assisted death for everyone for the whole time he was alive and in a position of authority to sway thousands of people including the powers that be. Interesting that a couple years ago he started thinking about it with a nod to some compassion. Now, with his own demise in sight, he realizes that forcing people to die in prolonged, painful circumstances is a hideous cruelty. How convenient for him!!

    The total lack of empathy with these people is shocking. No one wants to imagine their own death or the death of close loved ones but is it too much to ask for someone to think to themselves, “Death already sucks as it is but making people suffer for long periods of time or for any time at all is morally wrong, especially because we have medications to prevent it.” Let’s update our way of handling this situation because it’s morally the right thing to do.

    What’s so difficult about that? It ain’t rocket science!

    I guess it’s a demonstration of the power of brainwashing in humans that a person could straight faced say that suffering is good. It’s what God and Jesus want. We will be rewarded after death for the suffering in this life. Just like Jesus! Mind slaves.

  10. Meanwhile in Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic, many women have given up trying to drag backward bigots into the 21st century, and are just seeking their own solutions!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-37657042
    Women aged 25 to 35 are the most likely group in Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland to access medication online to end a pregnancy, a study suggests.

    Data provided by Women on the Web, which offers abortion pills online, showed 5,650 women from both countries accessed the service from 2010 to 2015.

    Most already have at least one child and a majority said taking the pills had been the right choice for them.

    Laws in both countries ban or restrict access to abortion.

    Abortion is legal in both countries if the mother’s life it at risk. In Northern Ireland, it may also be permitted to preserve her physical or mental health.

    Accessing pills which will terminate a pregnancy, or helping others to do so, can lead to a criminal prosecution in Northern Ireland, with the maximum sentence being life imprisonment.

    Protesters are calling for a referendum to repeal the laws in the Republic. Later this month, Prime Minister Enda Kenny will hold a citizens’ assembly to discuss whether a vote should take place to change abortion laws.

    Of the 5,650 women who used the service, 25.8% were aged between 30 and 34 and 24.1% were aged from 25 to 29.

    The lowest percentages were among women under 20, who made up 4.6% of those using the service, and over 45s who accounted for 2.6%.

    Three-quarters were seven weeks pregnant or less.

    Data from 3,500 women who used the site between 2013 and 2015 found slightly under two-thirds already had one or more children.

    The most common reason for terminating their pregnancy was that they could not cope with a child “at this point in my life”.

    Having “no money to raise a child” was the second most common reason, followed by a feeling that their families were complete.

    Contraceptive failure was the most common reason cited for pregnancy.

    Prof Abigail Aiken, who led the study, said: “The findings of this paper contribute new and important evidence to the abortion policy debate in Northern Ireland.

    “Northern Irish women have described in their own words the benefits of access to safe early medical abortion for their health, wellbeing, and autonomy. The current abortion law, which dates back to 1861, harms women by creating a climate of stigma, shame, and isolation.

    It would be better if they could be provided with medical supervision and back-up services, but obstructionists are still making that difficult.

  11. The curse of religious indoctrination continues to cause medical problems.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37713211

    Italian prosecutors have begun an inquiry into the death after a miscarriage of a woman of 32 who was pregnant with twins.

    The family of Valentina Milluzzo said the doctor treating her refused to abort the foetuses because he was a “conscientious objector” to abortion.

    The hospital involved has categorically rejected the family’s claims.

    The woman’s burial has been postponed while further investigations are carried out.

    Milluzzo was admitted to Cannizzaro hospital in the Sicilian city of Catania on 29 September after suffering complications and going into premature labour in her 19th week of pregnancy. She had had fertility treatment at another health centre.

    She was in a stable condition in hospital for more than a fortnight but on 15 October her blood pressure and temperature dropped and her condition worsened.

    According to the family’s lawyer, one of the foetuses was suffering breathing problems. The lawyer alleges that the gynaecologist refused to abort the foetuses in order to save the mother and said: “As long as it’s alive, I will not intervene.”

    No action was taken while the troubled foetus was still alive and hours later both had died, the lawyer said.

    Overnight, the mother’s condition deteriorated and she contracted an infection. On 16 October she was transferred to intensive care, where she died.

  12. Given half a chance, the mentally unfit, meddling delusional religious, really will inflict their god-mumbo-jumbo on others, as a priority over human welfare and women’s health!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37745693

    Polish protesters have launched fresh demonstrations against efforts to further tighten abortion laws.

    Women’s rights activists held a rally outside the parliament building in Warsaw, with more action expected on Monday.

    Poland’s MPs rejected a near-total ban on abortions on 6 October after mass protests against the move.

    But there are new proposals to outlaw abortions in cases where foetuses are unviable or badly damaged.

    Jaroslaw Kaczynski, leader of the governing Law and Justice Party (PiS), has said his socially conservative party is working on a new restrictive bill.

    In an interview on 12 October (in Polish), he said: “We will strive to ensure that even in pregnancies which are very difficult, when a child is sure to die, strongly deformed, women end up giving birth so that the child can be baptised, buried, and have a name.”

  13. “We will strive to ensure that even in pregnancies which are very difficult, when a child is sure to die, strongly deformed, women end up giving birth so that the child can be baptised, buried, and have a name.”

    The disgusting cruelty of the absolutely brainwashed religious zombies. It’s bad enough that they would go through this birth, baptism and burial process themselves but no, they have to inflict their bizarre beliefs and rituals on the rest of us. That’s not out of kindness, no, it’s because they believe that we must be forced to bear every child we conceive and devote all resources to that child whether we want to or not and no matter if there are no resources to deal with a special needs offspring and no matter how that might impact the children we already have who need those resources to survive.

    For women to maintain control over their own reproductive strategies including when and with whom to conceive and whether or not to raise the newborn are primary factors in our reproductive strategies. That religions tamper with our strategy is the most obvious evidence of their intention to control women for their own benefit.

    Why do women put up with these control freaks?!! Women of Poland are fighting for their reproductive and life autonomy. Fight against these RCC patriarchal assholes !

  14. bonnie

    That was a reassuring article.

    “I think there will be a winding down of these attacks and a stepping up of the counterattacks,” Schakowsky said. “With a woman in the White House, women will be feeling more empowered, insisting on control of themselves and their bodies.”

    Ohhhhh Yessssss!

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