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    William replied to the topic Meanwhile Trump is Guilty in the forum Politics and Social Issues 5 years, 3 months ago

     

    1. Certainly you have a right to vote your conscience.  No one has indicated otherwise. I am not the thought police. Think what you want. I am saying Trump is simply under investigation. According to the rhetoric on this forum, Trump is already guilty. Think what you want, say what you want. As for me, I hope I never judge someone as guilty until they have a fair trial, no matter how much evidence is on the table, and no matter how despicable that person is.
    2. Would you want someone sitting on your jury with their mind already made up? You are not on Trump ‘s jury and can think what you please, say what you please, but Demos in Congress will be his jurors in the House impeachment proceedings. and more than a few had their minds made up the moment Trump won the election.
    3. In no way am I defending Trump. I fear that he may even be mentally unbalanced. Demos in Congress have every right to investigate anyone they please.  The IRS does it all the time. It is the hate that bothers me. When Demos cry impeachment before a president is sworn in, that is hate; that is bias; that is prejudice. No federal judge in their right mind would allow such prejudice in a court of law, That judge would order a change of venue, but, of course, impeachment proceedings are different.
    4. I was trying to state that Clinton was treated the same way by Republicans, originally tried for crimes he supposedly committed before he took oath of office, and then nailed for lying under oath after months of relentless investigation. Republicans hated Clinton. The trial was never fair. I am not defending Clinton lying. I just do not like the way that hate relentlessly pursued the Clinton hearings.
    5.  I know impeachment proceedings are different than a regular courtroom. But, it would be frightening to me to be on trial in  any proceedings with biased jurors, judges, and prosecutors, and yes, even biased spectators, even though spectators have the legal right.
    6. The right to a fair and impartial trial should extend to Congressional trials too.
    7. I am not trying to evade answering any questions. I am simply saying Trump is not legally guilty until due process, and hate should not be in the equation, not in a courtroom, nor in Congress, or during investigation, especially when the accused is perceived as overwhelmingly guilty before a fair and impartial investigation even begins.
    8. Last but not least, if any of you on this forum were ever accused of a crime, innocent or guilty, you would want me on your jury.