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Citizenschallenge-v.3 replied to the topic speaking of origins – ten steps to first cells. in the forum Science and Technology 5 years, 1 month ago
Oh and Tim that brings me back to a comment you made somewhere else along time ago. I’m running out of time, but I did post something last night that tries to explain why it’s important to explicitly acknowledge and appreciate the distinction between Physical Reality and our Mindscapes. Hope this will make some sense to you:
https://confrontingsciencecontrarians.blogspot.com/2019/12/bringing-it-back-to-earth-centrism.html
Ignore at our own peril.
…So that’s my essay.
But it wasn’t finished.I was asked what good is this essay?
What can people do with it?Why should people care?
Well, lets start by thinking about our country and how over the past few decades easily a third of our citizens have been brainwashed into believing they actually know God’s Will.
Sadly, their God’s Will seems to be focused on envying, fearing and hating their fellow countrymen and the way we want to live.
They are blindly self-certain of their God and there is only one way. Their way. That’s Ego, not God at work!
It doesn’t matter to them that America was founded as – and has always been – a pluralistic nation.
It’s hideous. Now I’m no atheist, it’s a meaningless concept to me. But, a personal god, that I know does not exist! That is Ego at work – manmade through and through.
Beyond that? I’m too intimately familiar with evolution and biology’s utterly mind blowing ways and means and the story of how she got here. I don’t care how much my science pals howl, there’s a direction, randomness is ordered, and there is a ‘will’ going on.
Definitely way beyond my comprehension! But like ‘dark gravity’ we see its result without knowing what it is. Call it what you want.
I’m good with notions of God, but She’s a whisper, an unknowable something beyond our mindscapes.
For me God is Creation,
all four and half billion years of her, unfolding one day at a time.Our individual unique relationship with God is the most intimately personal humans have – but it’s a nontransferable relationship – to nurture or squander as our own numbered days unfold.
But not to force others to fit into. That’s tyranny, a human thing.
Which is why people always make god’s in our own images. Seeking god to hide their own avarice behind, we’re so transparent.Hell, the Biblical Book of Job even warns believers:
God is beyond human understanding,
PERIOD!
FULL STOP!
But do they listen?There’s no denying that religions bring communities together and they help us feel the spirit in our hearts. But what they offer is shadow plays and ritual.
Nothing’s wrong with that ! We need it !
But, for God Sake stop mistaking that
with down to Earth Physical Reality !God is in our hearts and souls, why isn’t that enough?
How did it get this bad?
I think it’s because no one made the effort to call foul on greed driven evangelicals and their insane amoral hubris!
We’ve been giving them a free pass since this hostile takeover attempt got serious with Reagan’s ruthless political strategists marrying some Me First power hungry evangelicals that had learned how to pimp Jesus for cash and power.
Now more than ever we need to stop talking past that part of our nation. We need to start confronting them, even if they and us find it uncomfortable.
Not with anger, but with intelligent spiritual challenges of a more constructive way to look at religious certainties versus physical certainties.
Why not make them question themselves?
But, that message has got to come from your heart.
I believe a fact based Earth Centrist appreciation for Evolution and our place on this Earth.
This perspective offers opportunities to individually to develop our own intellectual/spiritual awareness, grounding, within the context of your own life.
That in turn, will help us develop individual constructive and challenging messaging towards the faith-shackled crowd who exist within our own circles.
Why not challenge them to question their self-certainty?
Why not challenge them to rediscover religious faith as something reflected in how we live our individual lives, not in how we demand everyone else to live theirs.
Least we can do is demand that geophysical facts and down to Earth reality start being respected and taken seriously.
Thank you for your time



