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But we can separate that from actual progress.

I don’t always agree with you Lausten, and I do like pushing back on some of the things you write, just for the sport of it – but it’s not often a comment from you leaves more confused than when I started.

I’ll agree with you that W probably didn’t mean things a simplistically as I implied – But what are you trying to say here?

It’s kind of our job as progressive to keep pointing that out.

Point what out, that the world has been going to hell ever since Humanity got its command to consume our biosphere as fast and frivolously as possible  – that is for a long, long, long time – and that the arrival of that day getting closer and clearer than ever before  ;-?     😉