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  • Citizenschallenge-v.3 replied to the topic Seeking Truth – Need Help in the forum Religion and Secularism 3 years, 6 months ago

    Rather than spam foolish and godless and baseless fables as if they were science, you need to support your claims. Do not rattle off long stories when you can’t defend a single aspect of them.

    (Funny that, you don’t even know what I was sharing there.  Must be some miraculous insight you’ve been gifted with.)

    Actually, the thing is you want easy answers, when what a serious persons of good faith curiosity must do is start to read about the evidence, think about it and learn.

    The impression I’m getting from you is that you’ve already convinced yourself that you got it all figured out and anything that’s contrary to your opinion, is satan spume.

    @Dad1 Rather than cheer lead a dead guy’s largely now refuted book,

    Pray tell, which dead guy are you talking about?  Which book are you talking about?  The Bible?

    @Dad1  you would need to offer specific evidence and be able to defend it. Where is the first life form? Have you observed it? How about the fossil record, can you prove each creature had to come to exist only by evolving and could not have been created or descended from a creature that was created? etc.

    But Dad, would you have the patience to do the homework to read the information and learn about that evidence?

    DECEMBER 8, 2019
    Introduction to “Cc’s Pageant of Evolution”

    They say a true test of how well you’ve learned about something is how well you can explain it to others and in its essence this months long Pageant of Earth’s Evolution project has been that sort of a self-evaluation for me.  Both to see how well I understand it and to see if I could convey the story in a way that might resonate with people.

    Why is that important to me?  Because I believe clearly appreciating Earth and her story is one of human society’s greatest failures – and greatest challenge for enabling any sort of future functional human society, since our avarice has pretty well condemned this globally connected modern society we depend on.

    I keep struggling with; How could intelligent people allow such self-destructive disregard to the need of the life support system that sustains your society?  I mean seriously, never accepting that our long term economy depends on a healthy biosphere no matter how much we’ve learned about it?

    Proudly proclaiming that endless growth was our economic priority and that Greed was Good and Too Much Was Never Enough.  From my perspective it’s always been nothing less than sociopathic self-interest and faith-induced-blindness.  Along with being absolutely self-destructive.  As those who dare to open their eye and minds can see when surveying the growing carnage covering our planet.  But I digress.

     

    The beginning of this Pageant of Evolution project was rough because I discovered I hadn’t been paying as much attention as I assumed and that I was shockingly behind on recent developments and what I was up to date on had painful blindspots.

    But that’s what serious learning is about.  It is not easy or comfortable.  If you’re comfortable you’re not learning.  Sure we all have Ego’s, but it’s secondary, honest learning comes first.  The genuine enthusiast or student knows that it’s their duty to seek out and expose their own gaps in understanding, to find their own misunderstands.  Why?  Because our ‘mistakes’ provide our best learning opportunities.  They are the sign posts pointing us at what we need to study up on.

    Contrary to that approach – in today’s politics and media and churches, mistakes are never admitted.  Blame seems to be passed along, it’s always: “Not my fault!”

    What happened to being stand-up enough to admit to one’s own mistakes and then dealing with the consequences and coming out of it a better person?  Think about it, . . . Isn’t that actually what Jesus’s Passion is all about?  Why do the faith-shackled reject that constructive perspective?

    For me the enthusiast (and most Earth scientists) life isn’t about getting rich and burying themselves in bling.  The goal is all about a more complete and accurate understanding and appreciation of ourselves and the physical reality surrounding us.

    That’s the adventure I’m on.Like any adventure, sometimes the lights all shining on me, other times I can barely see.  🙂    Now with the sturm und drang of this project behind me I’m feeling good, satisfied with what I’ve learned and written.  For now… I’ll probably have another go at it in a few years, providence willing.

    My key to writing?  Keep rereading, fixing what isn’t right, reread, reread, reread, every time there’s something to fix, if not totally tear down and renovate, or delete altogether, but eventually the rough spots seem less so, and then one day after a couple read throughs without any snags spotted, it’s time to finished.  Before additional tinkering starts detracting or getting redundant, so no help.  I imagine I never get the punctation as proper as it should be, but then I’m not a pro, so it is what it is.  Though I do keep trying to improve, too bad I receive so little serious critique or feedback.

    I keep hoping to find others for whom what I’m writing makes some sense, it would be nice to get some feedback and to network, while we still can.  The comments section is pretty dead around here, but if anyone wanted to communicate a little I’d recommend visiting CFI Forum, affiliated with the Center for Inquiry – small but a good place for civil intelligent discussions.

    I don’t have twitter or Facebook, but I do have email citizenschallenge email com.