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Citizenschallenge-v.3 replied to the topic Seeking Truth – Need Help in the forum Religion and Secularism 3 years, 6 months ago
@dad1. Â Â Â If you claim science has support for ridiculous whoppers like that four hour thing it is up to you to provide/post it. Whether the four hours âreallyâ meant millions of years or whatever doesnât change anything. Just admit defeat.
Dad1, please take a moment to read the following, it explains that understanding Evolution demands some serious homework. Â If you refuse to read up on the evidence, then you haven’t a clue of what we do know. Â That is being willful and belligerently ignorant, I don’t need to argue with you over nonsense. Â I am supporting my claims with a list of educational resources that support what I’m writing about, it’s up to you to do the verifying for yourself.
What you ridicule by framing it as “spam” is actually a bibliography list of a whole series of articles/papers/video lectures, each explaining a different facet of the folds within folds of harmonic complexity flowing down the cascade of time that is Earth’s Evolutionary Pageant.
A narrative of Earth’s 4.6 billion years of Evolution reduced to a 24 hour scale.
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I lit up that text with over 160 links that range from published scientific papers, science articles and YouTube videos.  Because, Iâve come to like creating Student Resources â issue focused bibliographies of solid information, to help some save time with their projects, and lend a little support to those with their own unique ideas.
Thatâs why Iâve listed and share the following titles and authors in the order of their appearance. Â Over at my blog these are all linked to the source – here all you need to do is copy and past into a search engine and bet you can find said article or such.
Itâs about providing the information that I based my understanding on.
I canât hand feed you @Dad1,
you need to have some genuine good faith curiosity â but I donât sense that in you.
You seem more the warrior, Â yourâs is not to think, but to overcome and vanquish. Â Though it would be fun if you had more substance than this handwaving and gotchas game youâve shown us thus far.
Itâs easy for people who simply want to confuse and misdirect attention and energy in order to avoid the real issues at hand, to toss up all sorts of demands and expectations, and attitude, yet somehow feel they themselves are immune from meeting those same expectations. Â Your double standard is horrendous.
I would love to field some serious questions about specifics because I love trying to explain this stuff, since that helps me understand it better for myself. Â I donât play keep away or gotcha games, Iâll lay out my cards and defend them as challenged, always wanting to learn a little more.
I believe in an honest scientific style debate which means, honestly representing my ideas and just as importantly (to the best of my ability) honestly representing the ideas of others.  Debates where truth is law, and willful deception is damnable.  Where mistakes are for learning â rather than for creating bludgeons.
Why because better personal understanding is my goal. Â I donât have an agenda beyond endlessly striving to better understand this world, myself, and my human family, the human condition.
Although I will say I feel a tad feisty toward people who presume to represent âGodâ â because at 66 can say that as a young lad I took to heart the Biblical invitation, SEEK AND YE SHALL FIND. Â I seeked and sonny let me tell you I have found. Â I’ve known godâs breath against my back and I’ve felt my puniness in the face of it all. Â I appreciate my moment of existence, because I know I’m literally the eyeâs of the universe. Â Since, if a God there be, only through Its creations, could an ephemeral god, be able to know itself.
I am a biological being, an animal creature of Earthâs divining, here to live every day aware and in grateful awe, then I die and be gone body and mind. Â But I will live on, within the hearts and minds of others and within the deeds I’ve left behind. Â And it is good. Â And it is real.
You got ego and attitude. Â You know nothing of god and I see through you. Â So, you wanna have a friendly civil human conversation or want to keep playing your dog chasing tail game? Â Your choice, but donât fancy youâre fooling anyone over here.
(an unexpected digression that I donât intend to edit out, back to the preceding programâŚ)
⌠ Tragically, I find too many believe in the lawyerly, political debate where winning is everything and concepts such as honesty, honor, constructive learning are dismissed with contempt.  That path only lead to ultimate self destruction.



