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I sincerely don’t want to ruin “..some of the soundest far reaching first time posts..“-cit so I apologize for interrupting and try to be careful.

“Is “intelligence” like the laws of physics, a universal property of reality which expresses itself in a variety of ways?”-tanny

I think the answer lies within the process of the question. I’d agree to say:

“We might say that this behavior of bacteria isn’t intelligence but purely mechanical action which arose from evolution, natural selection. Ok, fair enough, but this just kicks the can down the road to another bigger mystery. If a human being had invented evolution we would have given them 99 Nobel Prizes, because evolution is a highly “intelligent” method of managing the relationship between living things and their environment.”-tanny

But there seems to be a very slight misinterpretation of Evolution. [ I copy the use of “inteligent”, because i see it to be apropriate. ] “..evolution is a highly “intelligent” method..”-tanny Evolution labeled to be inteligent is the point. Evolution is labeled as such becasue it makes the impression to be inteligent. But it isn’t directly. [I refer later to that again] Evolution is the summary of causal action and reaction leading specific to the continous developement of something (mainly biologic). The fact that a individual needs to survive until reproduction in order to give on something of its own characteristics to the next generation via reproduction, while anything helping or harming with that will increas or deacreas the chances for it; is about as inteligent as the fact that the weakest part will be the first part to give way under pressure. As for my general understanding of the term this isnt inteligent at all. It’s just the logical/”inteligent” way how things behave acording to the laws of physics.

This however does only shift the question from being evolution based to: Are the laws of physics an actual inteligence themselves? For such (and emerging stuff) to be labeled as inteligent every now and then. Frankly I’d say thats not he case becasue they don’t have the patern that would be recognized inteligent as we know it. But what if the laws of physics are somehow a part or a consequence of an inteligence? Its another angle to the question: “What is the source of that phenomena?”-tanny

This way to formulate the question arises to me becasue I jump ahead at once to search for any possible ways it can be grasped within the “physical” reality, and therefore we can confirm or disconfirm its actual existence more easily.

“@citizenschallengev4 “In any event, God is real, but God is our own individual creation.”

I totally agree.

What we are talking about here, however, I consider to be something that could apply in some degree to the general description of a “god”, at least more than any other phenomenon we know of.