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  • Mark Wheatcroft replied to the topic CO2 alarmism is not logical by kilo54 in the forum Introduce Yourself 5 years, 3 months ago

    Calling CO2 pollution is absurd because IT IS VITAL for life, vital for the breathing reflex. Check out the definition of pollution, OK?   pol·lu·tion
    /pəˈlo͞oSH(ə)n/
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    noun
    the presence in or introduction into the environment of a substance or thing that has harmful or poisonous effects.  Is CO2 poisonous?  NO!

    And, by the way, the poster who repeated Google’s “CO2 in blood….”(after quickly reading it on Google!) is missing the point – the best way to commit suicide is to breathe in N2.  It will flush the CO2 from your blood, and you will just pass out, NOT struggling to breathe.

    One would expect CO2 levels to be highest where naughty man is – America, Europe, China.   But it is not!  Is highest at the equator, and LOWEST at the poles, which would seem to suggest that it is the ability of the sea to absorb CO2 is FAR more important than any trifling amounts made by man.  0C water can hold 4 times the CO2 of 27C water.  Fact.

    What is disturbing and a constant  of alarmist argument, is that they NEVER use numbers/facts.   Wriggle, wriggle, “I won’t respond because it is all settled……..”   Wishy washy………”The 500 roof insulation vs a windmill taken from a British countryside group……….”  WELL, Sunshine.   Should it be 300 roofs or 800?     “Well its from people I dislike so it is invalid…..”     Go back to school and get an education.   Read.

    The poison worm that will destroy us.

    Today, in agriculture, we produce with one person what in 1945 needed 60.  Farmed areas have not risen much, but yield since 1960 has gone thru the roof – a combination of better seeds, better fertilizer, better knowledge disseminated rapidly, more CO2.   World grain production up from 600m tons in 1950 to 2400 today.

    Similarly, energy has made even GREATER advances.

    Instead of a small Welshman  with his little pick chipping away deep underground, we clear off the overburden, scoop up 50+tons at a time, and load it on a train, 22,000 tons – 2 crew!  Equivalent to 440 trucks each with a driver.

    Our ships are massive, carrying 100,000 tons or more – with such small crews that tankers have glass toilets on the bridge so the helmsman can poop and look after things at the same time.

    Instead of eating the same boring contaminated food ad nauseam, all can eat oranges, avocadoes, lobster, steak, at will.

    We can jet all the way to Tasmania (while exclaiming about CO2 and resources running out, eh? Approx 2,000lbs of Jet A per person, return.

    Go on skiing holidays one week and off to the beach the next.

    Our evenings have changed from looking at the fire, to watching TV shows or using computers to expand our knowledge and interests.  (Night skiing in Vancouver, tambien!)

    We swan around in warm fast cars, visiting friends and beautiful places.

    Most have never laboured manually for hours every day; filthy, buggy, dangerous, like I have. (There are 2 types of people who use chainsaws – those who HAVE been cut by them, and those who are GOING to be cut by them!  They will cleave your head in two.  Fun.)

    Many are disturbed by all this success.    Good old guilt, so important to most religions, worming its poison into our heads.  Fuck guilt!  A useless, negative impulse.

    Unable to appreciate that after centuries of invention, we are finally reaping the fruits of our ancestor’s hard labour; their suffering and deaths.

    They want us to turn our backs and go to some mythological paradise that never existed…………..tripping thru meadows of wild flowers, singing all day in our agrarian marvel.

    Their narrative is that of Man the Destroyer; his mad rush to extinguish the tiny resources that are left.  Everything he does is bad; wrong; polluting everything; soon nothing of value left.

    They ignore the clean air (no more pea-soup fogs); the clean water (salmon in the Thames); the blossoming of deer/moose numbers where man has cleared forest (forest is shit for most animals – nothing to eat.)

    They argue Polar bears dying out, though in most areas their number has swelled to 35,000 up from 7,000 in 1950).

    Forest cover in USA up a whopping 100% from 100 years ago. (Small Eastern farms abandoned, going back to forest.)

    When we plant mono culture trees (instead of conifers being naturally mixed with alder and poplar which resist fire), that burn down, we blame Climate Change.

    When we build houses in the forest and then they burn, again we blame CC.

    When Florida sucks ground water out at a huge rate, we are surprised that it makes the land SINK – blaming rising seas caused by CC.

    Yes, man has fucked up in the past – can you imagine allowing steam trains in the Tube today?

    When you build in the UK, in most places, you have to make at least a token concession to keeping things in character.  (But windmills OK – put the sods anywhere you like.)

    Many seem to feel guilt, rather than thanks.

    What alarmists have to overcome.

    1.    The Medieval Warm Period warmer than today and a time of great prosperity.  Why should a bit of warming today be ANY different?

    2.    The Greenhouse Effect is LOGARITHMIC – ie CO2 conc. has to increase by 10 to double present effect.   By 100 to increase by 2 times.

    3.     What PRESENT BAD effects are there?   None.   NO increased storms; no significant sea level rise; malaria NOT a tropical disease – was in E.Anglia till 1960; no drought inc.  In fact the Sahel GREENING;  5 times MORE Polar bears than in 1950.

    4.    But several GOOD things – bigger crops; wider range of crops; less heating needed; less deaths – cold kills FAR more than heat.  All free!

    5.    World grain yield 600m tons 1950; today 2200+m tons.  About 600m tons from extra CO2.

    Quod erat demonstrandum!  I have an ”O’ level in Latin and Latin VERSE.       Do you?   What is iambic pentameter, eh?