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  • Lausten replied to the topic Mathematics: Nature's Intelligent Design! in the forum Religion and Secularism 5 years, 5 months ago

    Since at least Aquinas, and really earlier, Abrahamic religious leaders have included themselves in the search for origins. They managed to balance this with their theology, the theology that explained their origin in a few sentences, by saying they were searching for “how” God did it, that they were exploring the world that God created. Other leaders saw the problem and tried to shut it down.

    The problem is, the methods begin with the principle of following the evidence where it leads you. If you start using reason and evidence to discover God, you might end up discovering something else. The compromise in the 14th century was to allow Catholic schools to teach science but stay away from questions that the Bible already answered, and science wouldn’t be needed to help determine when a miracle has occurred.

    Science went on to discover forces never conceived of in any scripture or Papal revelation or shamanic meditation. Magnetism was found to be related to electricity and then to time itself, and time isn’t what we thought it was. More importantly, this language we used to communicate these ideas cut across every cultural boundary. It didn’t matter what your mother prayed over you as  child, if you studied hard enough, you could understand the forces of nature and take steps to answering the most intractable mysteries.

    We still face the same problem of ages, that we don’t know the ultimate answer, we don’t even know if we will able to get any further in our knowledge than this one universe inhabit. We know what didn’t find. We didn’t find God above the clouds or anywhere out there, yet. We didn’t find a signature or a message telling us we reached the end of our search. The only “signature” is the information that points to quantum mechanics and evolution. ID has tried to twist that into evidence of a designer.