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  • Lausten replied to the topic How do you define atheism for your purposes? in the forum Humanism 5 years, 5 months ago

    I’m not terribly interested in discussing Krauss or how he communicates. It’s causing more heat than light in this discussion. So, I’ll agree with the above, ā€œthey have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of where those fields came from, or of why the world should have consisted of the particular kinds of fields it does, or of why it should have consisted of fields at all,ā€. Given that, the question is then, what do these fields tell us about God? I can’t find anything about God in quantum physics. No matter what words you use to describe it. Nor can I find proof, even philosophically, that you can’t explain the presence of the universe.

    If the theories are giving us anything, they are giving us an explanation of how time, space and matter can have an origin of some type, that does not need to rely on a supernatural explanation. It’s an explanation of something that we don’t sense physically and maybe will never ever fully understand, and maybe we’re wrong about, but it’s an attempt. I don’t see a reason to switch to philosophical answers that involve claims that we will never be able to prove or disprove the current theories, or if we do that those proofs will just require another theory to show where those things came from, therefore, it’s never ending. We showed that this physical universe and it’s time, has a beginning, and we think that there is something existing that isn’t bound by time, but whatever it is, it’s natural, it has shown no signs of intelligence. Maybe the thing we find that led to quantum mechanics will show intelligence, I don’t know, but as yet, I don’t see anything to do except to keep studying what we can with the tools we have.