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Lausten replied to the topic Is this logical? in the forum Humanism 5 years, 4 months ago
I can get that the word âexistâ might be a stretch, something like âexist as we areâ might be better, or âthriveâ maybe. I could imagine that, without mutual care, we were independent animals, maybe forming a family group for a few years or something, but we could never have accomplished something as simple as building a cement bridge without a lot more cooperation.
So, to the 3 premises by Widdershins:
If we care about people sometimes, thatâs sufficient, and I think that is easily proven from just about any dataset of people. Even with the WWII example, some Americans did care about the Japanese. I donât think Nazi treatment of Jews proves people donât care about each other. Â The question of degree doesnât need to enter as long as you stay away from the extremes.
So that solves the problem of making the 2nd premise false. How can a social creature survive without caring for others? Caring is true by definition.
The difficulty, the illogic of our existence, is then that we obviously do exist, we exist as we do due to our social psychology, yet we can observe a lot of not caring and can even come up with anti-social behavior that benefits a few for a short period.
Another reason I donât think the scientific reasoning is critical is that it is a fairly recent invention. People were much meaner to each other for most of history, openly so. And the explanations, gods, were constantly questioned with no alternative answer. Yet we survived.



