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I’ve had the same discussion with several people, some of them intelligent liberals, but I’ll challenge them on vaccines or GMOs or 9/11 or whatever and they’ll start with the denial of my facts. I’ll stop and review how I know what I know and I’ll ask them if they agree. We can walk through the methods and they’ll be fine. Then, we go back to discussing facts and suddenly I’m naive and I trust the government and they bring up an example of a paper from something unrelated that turned out to be wrong or whatever. I’ll show them that the very paper they are relying on for their point of view has been redacted, but that just becomes proof that information is suppressed. It’s amazing to watch it happen.