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  • Lausten replied to the topic looking for a beating, er help in the forum General Discussion 5 years, 3 months ago

    Why not publicly and loudly dissect and force them to look at all the ways they avoid PHYSICAL REALITY (let alone humanitarian realities)

    Because I don’t think you can do that. As soon as you start “forcing” someone to do anything, a casual observer from afar will see the forcing and not the underlying crimes of the one being forced. And most people are casual observers. Atheists technically lost the Scopes Monkey Trial, but had a partial victory in making their case heard to a wide audience, but then what happened? Evangelicals went quiet, built their community locally until one day Billy Graham is in the White House. They built that partially on martyrdom, claiming to be the voice in the wilderness and pointing out how atheists are tearing apart the fabric of America, using random and wrong data .

    What’s the old saying about “don’t try to out-lie the liar”. A good liar can spot a lie, so if you try to out do them, they will immediately expose you. Cries of “well he lied first” will not support your case. Science isn’t science if it isn’t proceeding at the pace of science. It’s not designed to out maneuver lies and blind faith and bad science. It can only present good science and leave it to others to use that information appropriately. That can include some marketing for how well science is working, like showing that they actually made the blind to see and the lame to walk but you can’t force anyone to read studies and review the methodology and determine that prayer has never been proven to work.