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So we have similar arguments. Dawkins, and I agree with what he says about ID here, that if we humans and this universe were intelligently designed, then whatever did that would most likely have arisen from the processes that we have already discovered, quantum bubbles and then biological evolution. Much less likely would be that these designers arose from some other process and then created our universe using something completely different, or created it so that we are seeing only what they created and not the actual laws of reality.

You are saying, if I understand you, that there is something that designed us and the universe using some process that is separate from what you call “material quantities”, something other than any of the natural processes we have discovered.

The difference is, for me, either the science we know, or the designers arose from something, and discovery them only gets us to the next step, the next level of knowing where everything came from. For you, at least I think you are saying, your intelligent designer is the highest level.