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  • Lausten replied to the topic Evolution of Religion in the forum Religion and Secularism 5 years, 2 months ago

    When I said, ā€œI’m not sure I can parse out the subtle differences you are seeing in ā€œimaginationā€ vs ā€œintuitionā€ to get what you’re saying here.ā€ I was not implying that you did not understand the words, but only keeping to the discussion here and how they were being used. And, when I said, ā€œspecific things you have expressed as possible and have claimed are supported by scientists and by dataā€ I didn’t come close to implying that you think science supports that God is a reality. We’re going to get bogged down if you are that hung up on what you think I’m implying.

    In one of your early posts, you said, ā€œScience is limited in its ability to describe anything beyond its circumscribed purview. However, despite your assertion to the contrary, science does (in my opinion) provide convincing evidence of a powerful, unseen supervening force that controls, governs and directs all existent reality.ā€ That’s been pretty central to this conversation. Science doesn’t provide evidence of something unseen. There are big missing pieces in our theories, but there’s nothing known that says those missing pieces are a ā€œforceā€ that is capable of ā€œcontrollingā€ or ā€œdirectingā€ anything. That’s what people used to think, then we found out that mutation isn’t controlling anything, it just happens. Simpler, undirected interactions have more to do with what we are than we ever presumed.

    If you are going to say things like, ā€œthat’s exactly what I did in a prior post listing 4 central points in support of my general contention. Not one of them has been convincingly refuted to date.ā€ That is also going to make this conversation difficult. There were responses to those 4 points, and we moved on without completing those conversations. The fact that you didn’t like the responses, or didn’t think they were adequate, doesn’t mean the responses weren’t valid.

    Your 4th point was, ā€œFourthly, God is often described as ā€œomniscient’ (all-knowing). Is there evidence for this? I believe there is.ā€ But with your last post, I’m left wondering what type of evidence you are talking about. I know a couple of us kind of rejected your NDE and Carl Jung evidence, maybe we were too quick with that.