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CC: It seems to me that you are going out of your way to fit your concept of “Mindscape” into whatever this Penrose mess is. I don’t think you need his useless paradigm to make the valid points you make about “Mindscapes” such as, “Science, religions, heaven, hell, political beliefs, even God, they are all products of the human mindscape, generations of imaginings built upon previous generations of imaginings, all the way down.” Tho it is kind of you to try to salvage something from the Penrose trash by trying to take the bullshit “mystery” out of it.