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Mriana said: Write4U, Not sure we are on the same line of thought here. Do not understand Secular moral laws. Was talking about History’s Rules of Laws. And history has shown that those laws are only as good as the morals of the people using those laws.

I think we are very much on the same page. This is how I see secular morality.

Secular morality – Wikipedia

Secular morality is the aspect of philosophy that deals with morality outside of religious traditions. Modern examples include humanism, freethinking, and most versions of consequentialism. Additional philosophies with ancient roots include those such as skepticism and virtue ethics.

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I see “virtue ethics” as including “vice ethics”.  None of these morals have need for a religious underpinning. The logic contained in the beneficial and detrimental consequences of these behaviors is self-evident (axiomatic).